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Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Court Allows Jewish Prayer on Temple Mount Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192060#.VPaAlmjF_3Q Published: Mar 3, 2015 Author: Gil Ronen Post Date: 2015-03-03 22:51:01 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 3273 Comments: 29 Temple activists were euphoric Monday after a precedent-setting ruling by Magistrates' Court Judge Malka Aviv in the case of Yehuda Glick vs. the Israeli Police, a day earlier. The judge ruled that the police “must make sure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount” – in a ruling replete with harsh criticism of the police's policies on the Temple Mount. Activists were quoted on a Temple activists blog as saying: “This day will be remembered for generations in the annals of the struggle for the return of Jews to the Temple Mount.” The police are legally bound “to ensure that Jews are able to pray on the Temple Mount, and not to act sweepingly to prevent Jews from praying on the Temple Mount,” the judge determined. Attorney Aviad Visoly, who represented Glick said Tuesday that the verdict “has made prayer on the Temple Mount 'kosher'. In essence, the court took the Supreme Court's rulings about the Jews' right to pray on the Temple Mount, and implemented them.” "This is almost the first ruling – and certainly the most sweeping – in which the court implements the right of Jews to pray on the Temple Mount. From today, every Jew is allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. The prayer itself is not an offense.” Judge Aviv said that the police ban on Glick's visiting the Mount was issued “without appropriate consideration” and was “arbitrary.” “There is nothing in the deeds of the plaintiff [Glick] that justified in any way the punishment that he received, not in the ban itself and not in the extended period [of the ban],” she said. Glick was awarded NIS 500,000 in damages and NIS 150,000 in legal costs. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 25. #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Interesting. Waiting for Jihadi response. First step for Israelis to have regular worship on the Temple Mount. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-03   23:27:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone (#1) It is actually against Jewish religious law to pray on the Temple Mount. Here's why: Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2) Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.) The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing. Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices. Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing. Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel. (7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutions Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing. There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers. And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption. When these things have taken place, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple. We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin. And he will bring peace to the world. Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..." Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying: And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out. http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html Pericles  posted on  2015-03-04   0:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Pericles (#2) It is actually against Jewish religious law to pray on the Temple Mount. Jews don't have a pope. Just because some group of Jewish authorities, even the Sanhedrin, rules that it is illegal is not necessarily binding on all Jews. It can be as easily argued that the Temple is not characterized by its mere GPS coordinates but that the entire idea of the Temple is inextricably linked to its prescribed construction and its contents, all ritually purified by Jewish priest as described in scripture. Until you have that Temple rebuilt to spec and purified, Temple Mount is just another piece of dirt, however sentimental to some people. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-04   2:14:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: TooConservative (#3) Moreover, although Jews will never admit this until Christ returns, the truth is that it was God himself, through Christ, who pronounced the final doom of the Temple and ordained its destruction and the trampling of the vineyard - the condemnation warned of in Deuteronomy. The only way that God has provided to him now is through the new covenant in Christ. God removed the ability to perform the rites of the Jewish covenant. What the rabbi wrote above is true: the Temple CANNOT be rebuilt according to halakah. God intended it that way. A bunch of Jews could get together and do it by main force, but it would not be legitimate. God gave the new covenant to the world, and that's the way and the truth and the light. The covenant of the Hebrews has been fulfilled, insofar that the penalty clauses that God included in it were imposed. There is a desire to resurrect the legitimacy of Judaism, but that desire is contrary to the express and manifest will of God. Jesus is now the ONLY legitimate way. You could slap back up a Temple and start killing animals, but it would be no more real than the high places erected by Jeroboam were, and it would be offensive to God, because it would be, once again, overtly and pointedly rejecting his Son. The Temple was destroyed in the first place, and forever, as punishment for that the first time. To re-erect the Temple would be to attempt to defy the final judgment of God. If the Jews want to erect something on the Temple mount, it ought to be a Jewish Christian Church. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-04   8:16:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#5) Moreover, although Jews will never admit this until Christ returns, the truth is that it was God himself, through Christ, who pronounced the final doom of the Temple and ordained its destruction and the trampling of the vineyard - the condemnation warned of in Deuteronomy. It goes almost without saying that Jews don't see the Diaspora through the lens of Christian scripture. So you're mostly preaching to the already-convinced on this topic. There is a desire to resurrect the legitimacy of Judaism, but that desire is contrary to the express and manifest will of God. Jesus is now the ONLY legitimate way. You could slap back up a Temple and start killing animals, but it would be no more real than the high places erected by Jeroboam were, and it would be offensive to God, because it would be, once again, overtly and pointedly rejecting his Son. The Temple was destroyed in the first place, and forever, as punishment for that the first time. To re-erect the Temple would be to attempt to defy the final judgment of God. While this idea of rebuilding the Temple and reinstituting the ancient sacrifices would have some appeal with Orthodox Jews, I am not confident that Israel's political elite or a majority of its voters would want to see this happen. Even if the Muslims were to offer the temple site for that purpose, I don't believe they would rebuild it or sacrifice any animals. These Jews are not the Jews they were back in 70AD. They are a modern people in many ways. Even the Orthodox. I think there is a distinct minority within Judaism that would love to have the Temple and even the sacrifices again. But we have to consider how often we have heard any Jews -- even the Orthodox -- call for a rebuilding the Temple or bemoan that the expiatory sacrifices are not being offered in Israel. And I don't think you can find very many calls from Jews to rebuild the Temple and start sacrificing animals. Rebuild the Temple and sacrifice animals? I don't think you could pay the Jews enough to do that. It's always surprised me that so many Christians so strongly desire this idea that the Jews are all just dreaming of the Temple and sacrifices. Jews have their ancient saying, "Next year in Jerusalem". Well, they already have Jerusalem to visit or to immigrate. It would take a massive outbreak of Jewish fundamentalism to rebuild the Temple and do the sacrifices and other Temple rituals. You really think we're likely to see Jewish fundamentalism on the march, as we are seeing Sunni fundamentalism on the march in Syria and Iraq? Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-04   8:43:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: TooConservative, vicmonte13 (#6) Rebuild the Temple and sacrifice animals? I don't think you could pay the Jews enough to do that. If they did shed animals to cover their sins. Would it actually cover them in your opinion. I can just imagine PETAs reaction. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-03-04   10:39:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: A K A Stone (#15) If they did shed animals to cover their sins. Would it actually cover them in your opinion. Of course it would not. It would be nothing more than a latter-day unauthorized "high place", of the sort that Jeroboam set up in the Northern Kingdom, to avoid the only true Temple in Jerusalem, his rival kingdom, or the various high places that priests and Levites in Judah set up out around the country for their own convenience. More of the Prophets railed against the unauthorized high places than against any other single sin of the people. God has always been pretty straightforward in his revealed law. No means no. And when it came to the faith, there was only one authorized way, one altar of sacrifice, one high priest, with the Urim and Thummim, one ephod. Recall that after the victory over the Canaanites, the Israelites nearly went and wiped out the Reubenites and half-tribe of Mannasseh who had settled trans-Jordan, in the lands taken from Og. They had set up an altar that mimicked the one at Bethel (which was the center of worship until David moved the ark to Jerusalem and planned the Temple). The mere fact of having set up another altar was proclaimed as blasphemy, and the rest of the tribes were prepared to go on a war of genocide to enforce God's law. They turned back only when satisfied that what the trans-Jordanian Hebrews had set up was not a second altar, but merely a REMEMBRANCE of the original altar. By contrast, the high places ("altar" means "high place") set up in the Kingdom of Israel, and throughout Judah, were places where sacrifices were offered, and God unremittingly sent prophets calling these sacrifices blasphemous, unholy and doomed. There was precisely one authorized altar, one center, one high priest. The prophets beat THIS tattoo in their complaints more relentlessly and universally than any other single complaint. God did not authorize freestyle worship, and he limited certain rites to one place, on one altar, under the leadership of one supreme priest. Unlike the article, however, I think that the Jews COULD, if they set about it, recreate the Temple in its proportions and forms. There are many people named "Cohen" who are considered to be descendants of the priest, and there is a Kohanite genetic marker. So a Kohanite priesthood could be reconstituted. Jewish traditions that the red heifer must not even have three white or black hairs are absurd. That's not in the Bible. Any red cow that doesn't have scars would do. The proportions of two altars were spelled out, but no proportions were given, so Israel would have to be the Israel of the tabernacle, as the Israelites don't have other instructions that would apply. Rebuild the tabernacle tent. It's doable. We should remember that most of the animal sacrifices were EATEN, so it should not be such a great burden to allow traditionalists to sacrifice animals and eat the meat. Only the burnt offering was not eaten. It's doable, but it would serve no theological purpose. The rite never forgave sins - it was God who forgave the sins, the rite merely reminded the people of the price of sins: through the blood and death of the animal, and the meal, etc. And where would the Urim and Thummim be? They're gone. What would be accomplished by these forms? Nothing. For the country to be spared, the PEOPLE have to generally follow the laws, and they don't. That's what got Israel destroyed the first two times. The only reason the rites ever did anything was because God said they would. Jesus stood in Jerusalem, and said that the vineyard would be taken away and given to others, because the tenants didn't recognize the son of the landlord and killed him. And he said that the Temple would be utterly destroyed. The destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman Army was the execution of the judgment of Jesus Christ. He said that none comes to the Father but through him, and that he is the way and the truth and the light. So, what do the animal sacrifices have to do with that? Indeed, if one were to be Pharisaic and strictly Scriptural, one could argue for the necessity of an Apostolic succession (following the rules Paul wrote out in Timothy), and apostolic baptism, one could argue that Peter was the High Priest of the New Covenant after Jesus, and that his successors retain that role. Traditional Christianity argues just that. This is the divide between Catholics and Protestants. But there's no place to get a handhold for restoring the Jewish ritual as actually being a means of obtaining forgiveness from God now. 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