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Title: Feds raid Texas political meeting
Source: WND
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/feds-rai ... l-meeting/#PokDUHViu5JGcJBM.99
Published: Mar 1, 2015
Author: N/A
Post Date: 2015-03-03 08:32:26 by Willie Green
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Views: 1579
Comments: 8

Fingerprint, photograph all attendees, seize phones

In a deliberate “show of force,” federal and local police forces raided a political meeting in Texas, fingerprinting and photographing all attendees as well as confiscating all cell phones and personal recording devices.

Members of the Republic of Texas, a secession movement dedicated to restoring Texas as an independent constitutional republic, had gathered Feb. 14 in a Bryan, Texas, meeting hall along with public onlookers. They were debating issues of currency, international relations and celebrating the birthday of one of their oldest members. The group, which describes itself as “congenial and unimposing,” maintains a small working government, including official currency, congress and courts.

According to MySanAntonio.com: “Minutes into the meeting a man among the onlookers stood and moved to open the hall door, letting in an armed and armored force of the Bryan Police Department, the Brazos County Sheriff’s Office, the Kerr County Sheriff’s Office, agents of the Texas district attorney, the Texas Rangers and the FBI.

“In the end, at least 20 officers corralled, searched and fingerprinted all 60 meeting attendees, before seizing all cellphones and recording equipment in a Valentine’s Day 2015 raid on the Texas separatist group.”

“We had no idea what was going on,” said John Jarnecke, president of the Republic of Texas. “We knew of nothing that would warrant such an action.”

Information Liberation noted, “The pretext of the raid was that two individuals from the group had reportedly sent out ‘simulated court documents’ — summonses for a judge and a banker to appear before the Republic of Texas to discuss the matter of a foreclosure. These ‘simulated documents’ were rejected and the authorities decided to react with a ‘show of force’ – 20 officers and an extremely broad search warrant.”

The invalid court summons was signed by Susan Cammak, a Kerr County homeowner, and David Kroupa, a Republic of Texas judge from Harris County.

The search warrant against the Republic of Texas authorized the seizure of “all computers, media storage, software, cell phones and paper documents.” Kerr County Sheriff Rusty Hierholzer said the seized devices “will be downloaded and reviewed to determine if others conspired in the creation and issuance of false court documents.”

Police searched and fingerprinted each person at the meeting, but they did not perform cheek-swab DNA testing as the warrant allowed.

“You can’t just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren’t even real courts,” Hierholzer, who led the operation, told the Houston Chronicle.

“The Republic has a lengthy list of qualms with the federal government, among them that Texas was illegally annexed in 1845,” wrote the Houston Chronicle. “But most of their complaints have to do with the behavior of the American legislature and executive. Robert Wilson, a senator in the Republic, equated politicians in Washington, D.C., to the ‘kings and emperors’ of the past, and sees Texas independence as part of a worldwide movement for local control.”

Hierholzer determined a “show of force” consisting of officers from city, county state and federal law enforcement to serve a search warrant for an alleged misdemeanor crime was appropriate due to the potential for physical resistance by the group.

The Houston Chronicle reports, “He said he had worries that some extremists in the group could become violent, citing a 1997 incident when 300 state troopers surrounded an armed Republic leader for a weeklong standoff.”

“Contrary to patently false reports by KBTX that the Republic of Texas and its assemblage were a militia group,” states the Republic of Texas website, “the truth is that the Republic of Texas is a self-determined people attempting to throw off the yoke of military occupation of Texas through peaceful and lawful process.”

“We’ve had years of bad press, but we’re not those people,” said Jarnecke of the 1997 incident. “But yes, we are still making every attempt to get independence for Texas and we’re doing it in a lawful international manner.”

The raid has angered many people. “The tactics used went well beyond what was necessary to address a few individuals over a matter of disputed paperwork,” reported Information Liberation. “It is clear that full-blown raid was performed to intimidate and harass every member of the group. … The irony of the situation is that the thuggish tactics employed by the police and federal government actually validate the concerns of the members of the Republic of Texas and other Americans who would prefer independence from the United States federal government.”

No arrests were made, and the case is still under investigation.


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#1. To: Willie Green, nolu chan (#0)

“You can’t just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren’t even real courts,” Hierholzer, who led the operation, told the Houston Chronicle.

Which is why I've always told people to avoid these goofy "citizens grand juries". You're only opening the door for this kind of abuse when they accuse you of usurping lawful authority or representing yourselves in an illicit official capacity.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03   8:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

Which is why I've always told people to avoid these goofy "citizens grand juries". You're only opening the door for this kind of abuse when they accuse you of usurping lawful authority or representing yourselves in an illicit official capacity.

My view of this sort of thing is pretty close to yours.

I would suggest that people not get involved in fringe political groups at all: it is at best an utter waste of time, and at worst, can end up wrecking your life.

People who have grievances against the injustices of the world (which we all should, if we are capable of fogging a mirror) should turn to God for power, and should seek the fellowship of Church, where a large number of morally like- minded people can move together in a non-violent way to clearly express moral outrage with real authority.

Pretending that you're Paul Revere and the government is the Redcoats is going to work out about as well as it did for all those guys buried at Gettysburg. At BEST you'll make a big splash, and lose. More probably, you'll just end up messing up your life, and your cause itself won't even be right.

People who want to protest injustice need to stick with legitimate, real power, which is to say: organized Christianity.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-03   11:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

I'm not sure what else they should do instead, just that issuing fake legal documents is a real dumb idea. As is now evident to these self-declared citizens of the Republic of Texas who now want nothing more than to pretend they're a reclusive book club or historical re-enactors or something.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03   12:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

I'm not sure what else they should do instead, just that issuing fake legal documents is a real dumb idea. As is now evident to these self-declared citizens of the Republic of Texas who now want nothing more than to pretend they're a reclusive book club or historical re-enactors or something.

If I write what I think I'll just get shit on again by everybody. Hasn't stopped me before, but I'm a particularly irritable mood today and won't respond well to it.

To hell with it. Here's what I think:

There are a lot of people, men in particular, white men of traditional American heritage especially, who are really angry at what has happened over the past few decades. We all see the country of our birth transforming into something else, right along lines that where unthinkable - even along the lines of the ENEMY's propaganda.

Most of them think that the way America WAS, the America THEY remember, was good (this is the key turning point where they and I depart from each other: I don't think it really was good, I think it was merely good for people LIKE THEM: middle class white men), and they cannot fathom why people would take something that was GOOD and turn it into something rotten. Rotten and dangerous, and indebted, and not as powerful, as sovereign or as forward looking as it once was.

They also see touchstones of the old way eroding: a particular way of exercising freedom of speech, and of the press, and of association, and of political expression, that was middle America not so many years ago.

They see the Rule of Law, as they understood it, utterly fading and being replaced by a "Rule of Lawless Men".

They see it, and they suffer from it - many directly, through diminished means, but many, many more indirectly, through a feeling that they are losing things they always took for granted as being "America", and the feeling of dread that maybe "they're next".

Many, as they age and foresee retirement, recognize that as the economic dream has become harder, the money they thought they would have for retirement isn't going to be there, so they contemplate having to work longer than expected, and many realize that they will, in fact, be dependent on the government for a significant portion of their retirement (via Social Security), and upon Medicare for their health care. So, they're going to end up depending on the very government that they have come to distrust.

They look out into the world and they see men like them in other countries, places like Greece and Italy and Spain, getting stiffed out of pensions and savings by changes in law, and they no longer think "Can't Happen Here", because they see not only married gays and gays in the military, but people who object to those things being PROSECUTED and FINED and put out of business.

There is fear, and there is anger. This huge mass of American middle class male humanity wants this STOPPED, but there doesn't seem to be any way TO stop it. The elected officials consistently do not listen. People have been raging about immigration for FOURTEEN YEARS, since Bush was elected in 2000, and before that, but it doesn't matter who holds power: the Flood continues. It's perfectly obvious that the government, as currently constituted, will NEVER stop it. So the country will be lost.

The debt spirals out of the control, Obamacare comes in, and nobody stops it. The country is turning into Latin America, Spanish will become the second language, and the place will be bankrupt...and the politicians don't listen.

And so in their frustration many middle class white American males dream of revolution.

Back in the 1960s, it was the military-age middle class and working class males on the Left, Black and White, who dreamt of revolution. Today more than ever the Blacks are part of the Establishment. Now it's the middle class and working class White males, especially traditional American ones, who dream of it.

They dream of it, but their dreams are of the fantasy variety. They would love it if the Second Amendment muscle-flexers who talk tough would actually start shooting. Sure, they'd express shock at it, but secretly they'd be pleased, and hope that the government would be chastened. These citizen grand juries and Oathkeepers and others - they don't have a lot of members, but they have a lot of sympathizers...if only.

But when it comes right down to it, the White middle class males are aging. The White population itself is aging. Contraception in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s has pressed the average age of the White population inexorably upwards. Revolution and war is a young man's game, not a middle aged man's game.

So there's this hope out there, unfocused, the hope that SOMEBODY will DO something. But that somebody is always somebody ELSE. The average middle class White male has an occupation and obligations and has bills to pay. Billy Joel sang "I'd start a revolution but I don't have time...", and that is exactly where the middle class White males are. Uncomfortable, but still getting what they need. Unhappy, stressed, grumbling, seeing the world they believed in being destroyed. But they are not personally willing to resort to violence. They like the IDEA of Paul Revere and Patrick Henry, but when people actually start to talk that way TODAY, they move away: they've got jobs to protect, families, obligations, responsibilities - they're not going to get involved in that sort of stuff.

So, what should "they" do instead? It's academic. Middle class white males WILL continue to be the oxen in the rut, harnessed and trudging along, pulling the cart. They're not going to throw off the driver. They're not going to do anything.

And when it comes to violent anything, they shouldn't. Life is short. We die. We go to God. THAT judgment is the one that counts. And nobody ever shot his way into Heaven.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-03   13:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

" To hell with it. Here's what I think: "

A rather bleak outlook.

However, also rather realistic, for now.

Remember what JFK said:

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-03-03   15:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

If I write what I think I'll just get shit on again by everybody. Hasn't stopped me before, but I'm a particularly irritable mood today and won't respond well to it.

To hell with it. Here's what I think:

I did chuckle at how quickly you talked yourself into it. LOL.

I don't disagree with the general thrust of what you've written. But we have lost the America that was in many ways. And not just in living standards of the old white middle class to which you ascribe so much.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03   15:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Willie Green, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#0)

The group, which describes itself as “congenial and unimposing,” maintains a small working government, including official currency, congress and courts.

Making your own money draws special government interest. See Bernard von Nothaus and The Liberty Dollar.

Not to be confused with people selling one ounce silver or gold rounds or such. One ounce is not a dollar denomination. It does not purport to be currency.

The Republic of Texas group has gotten up to some shenanigans to draw police attention.

The Republic of Texas is a general term for several organizations, some of which have been called militia groups, that claim the annexation of Texas by the United States was illegal and that Texas remains an independent nation to this day, but is under occupation. The issue of the legal status of Texas led the group to claim to have reinstated a provisional government on December 13, 1995. Activists within the movement claim over 40,000 active supporters, and public opinion polls have shown significant support for the secession of Texas or other states. A September 2014 Reuters/Ipsos poll found over 34% of people in the southwest favored their state seceding from the United States. So far, however, supporters have not managed to turn these public sentiments into concrete moves toward an independent Texas.

The movement for independence was started by Richard Lance "Rick" McLaren (born c. 1953). McLaren noted that, in 1861, Texans voted four-to-one to leave the Union, and upon further research concluded that Texas still met the qualifications, under international law, of a captive nation of war since the end of the American Civil War in 1865.

The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Fort Davis Resort, and demanded the release of a movement member in exchange for the release of the Rowes. McLaren's wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. McLaren and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison. Two other members of the group, Richard F. Keyes III and Mike Matson managed to slip away. Matson was shot dead by Texas Rangers two days later, while Keyes surrendered to the authorities on September 19. In June 1998, Keyes was convicted of burglary with intent to commit aggravated assault and sentenced to 90 years in prison. This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.

The McLaren case led to the establishment of the group "STAR", or Sheriffs of Texas Agreed Response, originated by Gary Painter, the sheriff of Midland County, and including officials from some sixty West Texas counties.

In a case involving Richard McLaren and his wife Evelyn as plaintiffs, a United States District Court in the District of Columbia ruled, on April 30, 1998: "Despite plaintiffs' argument ..... [i]n 1845, Texas became the 28th state of the United States of America. The Republic of Texas no longer exists".

In 2003, what remained of the organized movement consolidated into one dominant group recognizing an "interim" government (which replaced the "provisional" government), headed by Daniel Miller. This interim government claimed authority from the original proclamations of 1995 and set up a headquarters in the town of Overton. The movement split again over legal arguments, resulting in the current state of affairs. Most of the original personalities of the movement have disappeared from public view. The organization's finances have come from donations and the sale of some items such as a Republic of Texas Passport. The Republic of Texas headquarters in Overton, Texas, burned down on August 31, 2005; one person was moderately injured.

In January 2004, a man in jail in Aspen, Colorado claimed that the state of Colorado had no jurisdiction to extradite him to California on a probation warrant, on the grounds that he was a citizen of the Republic of Texas. He said that the sliver of land which contains Aspen was a part of the original Republic of Texas and, as such, he was not a citizen of the United States. His claim was rejected by the courts.

In February 2015, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Texas Attorney General's office, Brazos County deputies and police from the city of Bryan, Texas conducted a raid on a meeting of about sixty followers of a Republic of Texas group. No arrests were made, but the officers seized computers, phones and other items. The raid was conducted in connection with an allegation that a member of the group, claiming to be "chief justice of the international Common Law Court for the Republic of Texas," had issued phony writs of “quo warranto” and “mandamus” and a phony "subpoena," purporting to order both an attorney and a Texas state court judge to appear at "hearings" apparently to be conducted by the group at Bryan, Texas.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-03-03   19:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#7) (Edited)

The movement split into three factions in 1996

When I hit this sentence, I just knew that only Sweet Things were in store for our intrepid band of hardy Texans. I wasn't disappointed.

The Republic of Texas headquarters in Overton, Texas, burned down on August 31, 2005

Probably arson.

The raid was conducted in connection with an allegation that a member of the group, claiming to be "chief justice of the international Common Law Court for the Republic of Texas," had issued phony writs of “quo warranto” and “mandamus” and a phony "subpoena," purporting to order both an attorney and a Texas state court judge to appear at "hearings" apparently to be conducted by the group at Bryan, Texas.

Lordy. They might have just emailed threats against the prez to the Secret Service with their names and addresses enclosed. It would have been quicker and easier.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-03   19:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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