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Title: Why Iran Believes ISIS is a U.S. Creation
Source: Time (yeah, it still exists in dental offices)
URL Source: http://time.com/3720081/isis-iran-us-creation/
Published: Feb 26, 2015
Author: Kay Armin Serjoie
Post Date: 2015-03-01 08:09:05 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 16985
Comments: 91

"We believe that the West has been influential in the creation of ISIS"

Iran has taken a lead role in defending the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad and strengthening the Baghdad government in the war against the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS). But that doesn’t mean Iran views the United States as an ally in that war, even if they share a common enemy in ISIS.

Abdullah Ganji, the managing-director of Javan newspaper, which is believed to closely reflect the views of the government and the powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guards, says that U.S. support for ISIS is in fact a way of ensuring Israel’s security and disrupting the Muslim world in the cause of advancing Western interests.

“We believe that the West has been influential in the creation of ISIS for a number of reasons. First to engage Muslims against each other, to waste their energy and in this way Israel’s security would be guaranteed or at least enhanced,” says Ganji. “Secondly, an ugly, violent and homicidal face of Islam is presented to the world. And third, to create an inconvenience for Iran.”

Iran’s relations with the U.S. have been strained since the 1979 Islamic Revolution ousted the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran and negotiations are currently underway between Iran and Western nations, including the U.S., to ensure the Islamic Republic does not produce nuclear weapons.

Ganji went on to say that much of ISIS — its propaganda, structure and weapons — were all the work of the West. “A group that claims to be an Islamic one and has no sensitivity towards occupied Muslim lands in Palestine but is bent on killing Muslims as its first priority, it’s not a movement with roots in Islamic history. Not only many of its weapons but its methods of operation, its propaganda methods and many of its internal structures are Western, that’s why we are distrustful of the roots of ISIS,” he says.

“As the Supreme Leader [Ayatollah Khamenei] also said, [the coalition forces] have on a number of times even made weapon drops for ISIS. How is it that they have laser-guided precision munitions and bombs but drop weapons for the wrong people? And not only once but at least a number of times,” he says, referring to incidents when weapons dropped from U.S. aircraft landed in ISIS-controlled areas rather than the intended Kurdish-controlled areas.

“Iran cannot cooperate with the United States against ISIS because it doesn’t trust America, it doesn’t believe in their honesty in combatting ISIS. Iran can’t trust the U.S. to begin something and to continue to the end. It acts patronizingly and will change its path whenever it feels it is justified. We are also worried that the U.S. is using ISIS as a pretext to return its troops into Iraq,” Ganji says. “I believe that the U.S. prefers a weak ISIS that cannot be a major threat but will still cause inconvenience for Iran, Iraq and Syria and generally what they themselves called the Shiite crescent.”


Poster Comment:

I've read other reports that, across the Mideast, it is the majority view that ISIS is an American creation. Here, the Iranians make those accusations their official position.

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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)

The USA stirs up trouble, everywhere. There is no good reason for the USA to be militariy or politically involved half-way around the world meddling in the affairs of others.

Pridie.Nones  posted on  2015-03-01   8:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pridie.Nones (#1)

There is no good reason for the USA to be militariy or politically involved half-way around the world meddling in the affairs of others.

I wouldn't go that far. We have always had foreign interests to protect going back to the early decades of the Republic.

But that is no excuse to turn the Mideast in a shootout at the OK Corral. The neocons often talk about it in terms of being like the Wild West, like they can just go in and shoot things up and it will all turn out so well ("greeted as liberators", Arab Spring, etc.). They actually discuss it among themselves in these terms. Appalling. And it is an obvious subtext in the warmongering rhetoric we hear from a number of these GOP candidates as they try to win favor (and hundreds of millions) in the Sheldon Adelson Primary.

I posted this in response to another poster who was discussing why Shi'a Iran hadn't gotten involved in driving Sunni ISIS from Shi'a Iraq, despite Iran's proximity to Iraq.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   9:56:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative, tomder55 (#2)

I posted this in response to another poster who was discussing why Shi'a Iran hadn't gotten involved in driving Sunni ISIS from Shi'a Iraq, despite Iran's proximity to Iraq.

I explained it on the other thread.

1. The Persians know how far they can push their Arab Shia allies.

2. Persians wait for Arabs to finish killing each other. No matter Islamic affiliations.

Iran also had (probably still has) dealings with Sunni terror and insurgent groups. 2007-2009 when Maliki showed some independence from Tehran we started seeing EFP IED attacks on Iraqi security forces in Sunni areas. Interesting that the devices used were Iranian made.

It's a lot more untidy over there than many want to admit.

Iran wants uninterrupted rat lines to Hezbollah. The rise of ISIL challenges their freedom of maneuver and interior lines. Of course they will blame the US.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-01   13:14:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#10)

It's a lot more untidy over there than many want to admit.

Unfortunately, from the perspective of the average Iraqi, it's been a long slide downhill in security and prosperity and confidence that your neighbors, regardless of sect, aren't just going to murder you suddenly.

Saddam was brutal but he kept the peace in Iraq for a long time. Maybe people are starting to better understand why he was so utterly ruthless with the woodchippers.

Tell me, if you captured some of these known ISIS killers of other Muslims and Christians and Westerners as well as Vandals of the rare artifacts and antiquities of ancient empires and their cults (which have been gone for many centuries), would you be tempted to do the same as Saddam did if there was a handy nearby woodchipper? I know I would. Let them pass over to Paradise and their 72 virgins in 7200 separate bloody pieces. And even that is too good for these scum.

The Mideast is a very brutal place. Sometimes you can't have a civil society with any human rights if you don't have an ultra-hardass running the country, willing to be every bit as brutal as his government's internal enemies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   14:08:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: TooConservative (#13)

Saddam was brutal but he kept the peace in Iraq for a long time. Maybe people are starting to better understand why he was so utterly ruthless with the woodchippers.

Since we are quoting British statesmen:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains on their own appetites—in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity;—in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption;—in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there is without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

(Edmund Burke, A Letter From Mr. Burke To A Member Of The National Assembly, 1791.)

As we can see, people in these places are incapable of placing moral chains upon their appetites. Therefore there are guys like Saddam and Assad who must impose the chains.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-03-01 14:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#13)

Tell me, if you captured some of these known ISIS killers of other Muslims and Christians and Westerners as well as Vandals of the rare artifacts and antiquities of ancient empires and their cults (which have been gone for many centuries), would you be tempted to do the same as Saddam did if there was a handy nearby woodchipper? I know I would. Let them pass over to Paradise and their 72 virgins in 7200 separate bloody pieces. And even that is too good for these scum.

As it turns out in the three to five years leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Uday and Qusay Hussein were more in charge than Saddam. He spilt the security of Iraq in half between his sons. Where Qusay was more like his father in understanding the inner workings of external and internal security, Uday entertained high level Jihadi front men. Uday knew Saddam would leave Iraq to his more sane and satisfying brother. So he started years before OIF reaching out to Sunni groups who could challenge his brother or at least provide some protection for him if Qusay decided his torture happy megalomaniac brother got out of hand.

In the mid 90s Uday formed and trained the Fedayeen Saddam. The secret police guerilla unit grew to such an importance that Saddam replaced Uday with his brother fearing his son was becoming too powerful. As we saw in the weeks leading up to OIF the Fedayeen Saddam were placed in strategic locations throughout Iraq especially in Shia southern Iraq. What started out as a unit of Iraqi Sunni loyalists expanded to expat Palestinians and foreign fighters. The tats on some of the FS we captured painted the picture to confirm this. Then they melted in the background to become the Sunni insurgency and most folding under AQI by 2004.

A messy deal indeed. So much can be said if an aging Saddam really had full control of Iraq's military at the time of the invasion. That his sons were struggling control of the various pieces Saddam usually had sole control of. The key to all these despots is the Praetorian Guard or in this case the Republican Guard. Most good analysts of Saddam knew he would never let his RG turn tail and run. The confusion of who was in charge (Qusay?) of deploying the RG is still somewhat of a mystery.

But it is no mystery why coalition forces prioritized Saddam's sons capture/kill before Saddam.

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