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Title: Black Privilege: Students Get SAT Bonus Points for Being Black or Hispanic – Asians Are Penalized
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201 ... hispanic-asians-are-penalized/
Published: Feb 28, 2015
Author: Jim Hoft
Post Date: 2015-02-28 04:55:57 by out damned spot
Keywords: students, black privilege, SAT
Views: 12204
Comments: 80

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

The LA Times reported, via DownTrend:

Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

Downtrend also noted that college athletes also receive bonus points during the application process.

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#29. To: out damned spot, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#0)

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

Anybody else notice how it always seems like the people that work the hardest end up being the luckiest and most successful?

I think it must be some sort of conspiracy!

No juz-tize,no peas!

No juz-tize,no peas!

No juz-tize,no peas!

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-28   12:50:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete (#29)

Anybody else notice how it always seems like the people that work the hardest end up being the luckiest and most successful?

I have never observed that to be true.

The people I know who work the hardest are the Hispanic folks who cut the lawns and clean the buildings at night where I work. They have two or three jobs and work like slaves. I do not see them getting much reward.

By contrast, I see people who think they work very hard, but who do not - not relative to the way those service people do - earning in excess of a million a year each.

So no, I've never noticed the phenomenon you've described. I've noticed something altogether different.

Same was true in the Navy. I observed that the people who worked the hardest were the ones that had the shittiest and most menial jobs, and they were paid the least. The officers were paid the most and did not work nearly as hard as many of the enlisted.

It has been my general observation that the people who have the most have overwhelmingly been the sons and daughters, or grandchildren, of people who already had quite a lot. They got good educations, and therefore scored well on standardized tests, went to the right schools, and got high paying jobs. At those jobs, they work like other people in offices do. They don't work as hard as service people. But they get paid a lot more.

So, what I notice is that people who are the highest and the most successful and luckiest tend to have had their luck start with birth, as economic status at birth seems to be, in my experience, the greatest single indicator of economic status throughout life.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-28   23:09:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Vicomte13 (#46)

I have never observed that to be true.

Then you don't understand what you see.

The people I know who work the hardest are the Hispanic folks who cut the lawns and clean the buildings at night where I work. They have two or three jobs and work like slaves. I do not see them getting much reward.

Give me a freaking break! Are you really so confused that you think manual laborers are the only people that work hard?

More of your Catholic communist class consciousness at work?

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-01   5:32:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#52)

Give me a freaking break! Are you really so confused that you think manual laborers are the only people that work hard?

Manual laborers work much harder than office workers, yes. That is objectively true.

Office workers come in, sit down, read and write, then they go home. They are paid well for this. Their bodies don't hurt at the end of the day unless they abuse them.

Manual laborers are physically tired at the end of the day, often exhausted. They put in many more hours too, in order to earn the basics of living.

So yes, manual laborers do work harder, a lot harder, than office workers. They work longer, and their jobs take more out of them, and they are paid less. That is objective physical reality that has nothing to do with Catholicism.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-01   6:25:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

Manual laborers work much harder than office workers, yes.

You must have lived a sheltered life if you believe that manual laborers are the only ones that work hard.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-01   6:32:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#56)

You must have lived a sheltered life if you believe that manual laborers are the only ones that work hard

You must be willfully blind if you think that manual labor, in multiple jobs at minimum wage, or picking beans, is not harder work than any office work anywhere.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-01   8:14:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13, sneakypete (#57)

You must have lived a sheltered life if you believe that manual laborers are the only ones that work hard

You must be willfully blind if you think that manual labor, in multiple jobs at minimum wage, or picking beans, is not harder work than any office work anywhere.

As usual vicomte13 continues to talk past the point. I can guarantee you that no manual laborer works harder or longer than my surgeon daughter and most of her peers - and this doesn't include the thousands of hours in medical school in which many rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and years of internship at de facto less than hourly minimum wage.

It is not unusal that she is on her feet in the OR for 4, 6, 8, 10 hours or more at a stretch. And when she's not doing that she has patient follow-up duties, clinical duties, administrative duties all on top of her research projects. How many times do you think she and her peers have accidentially cut themself or other wise been exposed to the blood of a patient during a procedure? Can you possible understand the stress of that on top of the normal pressures of the job has on a person over time?

When a manual laborer's job is done for the day it is done for the day. Laborers do not take work home with them. They do not take continuing professional education courses or training, most by choice but some by certification maintenance requirements.

And I can also guarantee you that few, if any, worked harded than my wife and I at our respective jobs and pursuit of higher educational degrees during the evenings. We sacrificed most of our evenings and even some summers to advance ourself during the first several years of our marraige. We consciously held off on starting a family until we achieved our goals.

Now these are personal decisions and I don't advocate that these are the right decisions for others. But I certainly would have liked the ability to go home after a days week have a few beers, procreate until the cows come home and not give a fig about my children's future, especially if I could pass the bill for doing so onto someone else - like my wife and myself and the rest of the 50% of the schmucks in the U.S. who actually pay Federal income taxes and have to have their kids score a few humdred points more on the SAT test to have an equal shot at admission into an elite university.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-01   13:43:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: SOSO (#64)

As usual vicomte13 continues to talk past the point.

It's not possible to discuss anything of substance here. It always turns immediately into ad hominem. I'm tired of it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-02   10:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Vicomte13, sneakypete (#70)

It always turns immediately into ad hominem.

It is not an ad hominem to comment on your actual action. You did talk past the point made to you. To did so by insisting on your narrow definition of work, even after it was pointed out to you. I have observed that you do this quite often. SOrry but that is a fact not an ad hominem. You may recall that I have asked you on more than one occasion for agreement on the definition of terms used in our discussion. There can be no fruitful dialogue on any issue if the sides are talking past each other usiing different means for the same words.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   11:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: SOSO (#71)

It is not an ad hominem to comment on your actual action. You did talk past the point made to you. To did so by insisting on your narrow definition of work, even after it was pointed out to you. I have observed that you do this quite often. SOrry but that is a fact not an ad hominem. You may recall that I have asked you on more than one occasion for agreement on the definition of terms used in our discussion. There can be no fruitful dialogue on any issue if the sides are talking past each other usiing different means for the same words.

I agree with you on the need to define terms for there to be any discussion.

However, what was done in this thread, above, was not that. It was ad hominem. There wasn't an effort to define terms, or to find an agreement. What there was was a bald assertion by one party of what a word meant, and then an ad hominem response to my refusal to accept that definition.

And now it looks as though we're going to go spinning down the usual toilet of bickering over who said what. An actual exchange of ideas is no longer possible, because all of the interlocutors, myself included, are surly, pissed off, and not interested in really engaging with the other person at all.

Therefore, it's time to end this conversation. I'm done with it.

Maybe I'll try again on some other thread. Going back and forth over the definition of ad hominem is a stupid way to spend my afternoon, and I'm not going to bother with it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-02   17:21:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Vicomte13 (#72)

And now it looks as though we're going to go spinning down the usual toilet of bickering over who said what.

Not a chance. I will accept your version of events. However I will note that our past exchanges have be hampered by your lack of willingness to come to agreement on definition of words/terms.

SOSO  posted on  2015-03-02   20:04:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#74. To: SOSO (#73)

However I will note that our past exchanges have be hampered by your lack of willingness to come to agreement on definition of words/terms.

The definitions of terms are literally everything in most discussions.

We should start anew, clean slate, with a topic of mutual interest and make sure that we work through the terms so that we're on the same page. That could produce fruit.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-03 16:12:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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