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Title: Black Privilege: Students Get SAT Bonus Points for Being Black or Hispanic – Asians Are Penalized
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201 ... hispanic-asians-are-penalized/
Published: Feb 28, 2015
Author: Jim Hoft
Post Date: 2015-02-28 04:55:57 by out damned spot
Keywords: students, black privilege, SAT
Views: 12085
Comments: 80

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

The LA Times reported, via DownTrend:

Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

Downtrend also noted that college athletes also receive bonus points during the application process.

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#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

Catholic students do well as a group but they don't break the Bell curve the way that Jews or Asians do.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   7:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: out damned spot (#0)
(Edited)

And these people used to scream for "EQUALITY!".....

patriot wes  posted on  2015-02-28   8:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#0)

Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

It's just because they have 20 points higher IQ than the others, so this is "EQUALITY". LOL.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-02-28   8:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#1)

"They don't actually get bonus SAT points ..."

Of course not. Not officially. They'd find themselves in court.

But if an admissions officer, pressed to admit minorities, looks at an 1800 SAT from a white student and a 1650 SAT from a black student, they're likely to mentally add the 230 points and admit the black student.

Even if they don't, the fact that they've even studied these differences will lead students to believe that some minorities were admitted because of their race. And the bleeding heart liberals think this actually helps race relations. Just the opposite.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-28   8:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: patriot wes, Too Conservative (#4)

"And these people used to scream for "EQUALITY!"....."

Well, at some point a college has to draw the line. Otherwise, only Asians (and Jews --hat tip to Too Conservative) would attend, crowding out everyone else including white non-Jews. Right?

Colleges can set the SAT admissions bar low enough to accommodate everyone with two brain cells to rub together, then allocate open slots by race and ethnicity (50% white, 20% black, 15% Hispanic, etc.).

Of course, only the Asians (and Jews) and 25% of the white non-Jews would actually graduate, but I'm sure liberals could come up with another plan to correct that (perhaps adding 30% to every test for minorities).

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-28   8:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: out damned spot (#0)

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

Sounds about right.

Asians do okay in baseball but the real money in Title IX is football and basketball.

Without the bonus points, most negroes and mexicans could never get in a school let alone make a varsity team.

cranky  posted on  2015-02-28   8:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: cranky (#8)

Sounds about right.

Asians do okay in baseball but the real money in Title IX is football and basketball.

Without the bonus points, most negroes and mexicans could never get in a school let alone make a varsity team.

Athletics is a different skill set from what is tested on the SAT.

College is to prepare men and women for successful entry into adult life at a level far above the menial labor available to the uneducated, but education takes many forms, and university graduates serve many industries.

Sports in America is an $80 billion industry directly, and through the entertainment and construction aspects (broadcasts, commercialism, stadium construction, sports medicine, sports law, etc, there's another couple of hundred billion of added economic value, and growing.

Sports is a primary nexus of leisure, health and entertainment, and the athletes at the center of it, whatever the field, are the equivalent of Hollywood stars in bringing in interest and keeping people focused on their sport.

When the various pro-sports have their strikes and the leagues have brought in non-pro players to try to keep the season going, the difference between top-tier athletes and the very good second tier is visible… and the fan base drops off considerably.

Sports is a large industry that needs lots of well-trained people in it. Entertainment arts, particularly music, which takes years to master at a professional level, do not rely on the same skill sets as the office job skills for which the traditional SAT tests.

The bulk of people who go to college will graduate to office jobs, and therefore its entirely appropriate that the bulk of college entry be based on office-job related skills: sitting down to read and write and do math. Some variation of that is how the bulk of people make their living, and so the bulk of college admissions is based on that.

But there is no good reason for colleges to be limited exclusively to being finishing schools for office drones. The sports industry nexus is also massive and growing, and it needs trained talent too, at all levels. Within sports, there's always the need for office workers, but athletes respect athletes, and men and women who aspire to leadership in that industry need to be trained athletes at the top of their sports.

The training time it takes to be a top athlete cuts into study time on office-worker skills, and generally those who have a lot of athletic talent have the same desire to use their time expressing it as bookworms who get perfect SAT scores spend expressing theirs. Either type has the ability to rise to a very productive and lucrative role in society, with training.

Also, sports programs in university are the primary source of outside funding. Some industry or interested employer may fund some chair or other in an academic department - and government study money drives a lot of the size of university academic departments, but the sports programs - particularly the flagship mass entertainment sports - are profit centers. Sports are how the general public supports universities, happily, and the money that comes into universities through sports not only pays for the sports programs themselves, and the athletic scholarships, but also generates excess revenue that benefits the university as a whole, and in a capitalistic way. Government grants to academic departments fund the schools, but these are government tax dollars at work, transfer payments, and vaguely socialistic. The profits from sports programs come from the public paying to see things - average people WANT to give money to those things, and do.

So yes, it is true, any college that has a sports program is going to have a system that looks at athletes differently. Many athletes do not have the same SAT scores as the general office-bound college population…and they don't NEED to.

We could adopt a specialization mentality, and have institutions JUST for athletes, that have no sports programs at all, and then institutions for future office drones.

If we did that, the athletics nexus schools would be well funded and more athletes would get educations, but the regular office-drone schools - the standard university model of today, would be poorer for it in many ways. All students at colleges have access to athletic facilities, and most make use of them. Strip that away, and the general health of the office-drone track will suffer. Certainly the finances of the universities will suffer greatly, as sports is usually the main profit center after tuition.

Also, many students who brings great credit and glory to the universities would not go, preferring instead to go to the sports institutions.

This model already exists in much of Europe, and everywhere it does, the athletes benefit from it as there are clearly defined educational and career paths for them.

So yes, the sports could be taken out of the colleges, and the slots filled by high-athletic ability, lower-SAT students could be filled in instead with just more office-drone bound students. The sports could be concentrated at sports institutions. The result would be a considerable improvement in the lives of athletes, and a substantial diminution in the quality of most of the colleges and universities. Even the Ivies would suffer, because they have the same contingent of athletes as the other schools, often in other sports - the Ivies have realized what all schools have: athletes add some academic challenges, because some athletes are not as academically prepared, but athletes are for the most part more disciplined people who tend to do well in life, and they tend to understand teamwork and tend to be loyal their schools, and to work at getting the recruits.

The schools that disgrace themselves are the ones that admit great athletes who need remedial academic work and then don't give them the academic remediation. That's a mistake.

Strip the sports out of the schools, and you'll end up with poorer schools, less after-graduation support for the schools, much greater reliance on public funding, less healthy graduates overall…and you will remove the colleges as the source of the talent that fills up a several hundred-billion dollar niche of the economy.

Athletes, with their lower average SAT scores, generally IMPROVE the schools at which they attend, and the sports programs are net POSITIVES for the institutions that have them. If the colleges want to get out of the business of preparing people for athletic careers, certainly that can happen: there can be specialization, like in France and Russia and Germany, where the sports track breaks out and has its own institutions. This is much better, economically and educationally, for the athletes. But the rest of the drones who attend universities to become office workers do not benefit from the separation.

Harvard and Annapolis don't maintain a full sports program in all areas, and have different rules for athletics admissions out of the goodness of their hearts. And they don't do it out of blindness. They do it because as a whole athletes prove to be more successful people in life than non-athletes with higher SAT scores at age 18. The discipline it took in high school and junior high to be able to be admitted as a college athlete is harder and more demanding than the discipline it takes to get good math and English grades.

With musicians it is similar. Many of them have good grades, but once they go into music programs, the lion's share of their time is spent studying music. They're not being prepared for office jobs either. Exclude fine arts from the universities as well, and you'll end up with universities being nothing but training grounds for office drones, and that can be done with a lot less funding…and will be, because sports and the arts bring IN money. Tuition alone doesn't pay for the quality of colleges, and office drones don't give back to universities for years after they graduate the way that athletes and performers do.

Truth is, athletes and performers may have lower SAT scores, but they tend to form the most noticeable cream of most college's crop. Magic Johnson did more for Michigan State University than the Asian or White kid with the higher SAT score who would have taken his place did. And Magic Johnson's career path has employed a whole lot more people - office drones included - than the office drone Asian who might have taken his place.

There are physiological reasons that lead to a higher concentration of blacks in certain sports, and whites in others. There are sociological reasons why blacks tend to have lower grades. It is true that athletes will tend to have lower SAT scores, black athletes in particular, because of the sociological reasons. It is also true that over time, pound for pound, the admission of the black athlete with the lower score will almost certainly be of greater benefit to the university, and to the general economy, than admitting some other kid with a higher SAT score but without the athlete's discipline.

Of course there are only so many slots on teams, and the NCAA rules limit scholarships and impose standards to prevent colleges from simply exploiting the athletes (some do anyway). The answer to that is to make the colleges step up, not to get the sports out of the schools.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-02-28   9:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: out damned spot (#0) (Edited)

People aren't equal... and they've never been equal.

Giving any race points to artificially equal the test taker is like feeding the wild animals. They become dependent on man made actions. Its in every animals nature to always take the easiest path. The animals will stop hunting and the humans will stop learning or striving to be better than the other, whiter, less hairy, human.

Compassion, sympathy and kindness will be our downfall, as a species.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   9:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

You make a lot of assertions you can't prove to defend your premise.

You're suggesting that Harvard and MIT really need major sports teams to be a success. Yet their results over decades don't hold up to your argument.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   10:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

IQ measures ability to solve IQ puzzles. Nothing more, nothing less.

It was designed to pick qualified office drones.

A Pole  posted on  2015-02-28   11:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#10)

What is your IQ?

A Pole  posted on  2015-02-28   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A Pole (#13) (Edited)

What is your IQ?

High enough to score in the top 15 on a civil service test were 450 people took the exam.

Smart enough to score in first place 6 times on a promotional Sergeant exam.

I've never needed free points to achieve. I'm not a sheep.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   11:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: cranky (#8)

"Without the bonus points, most negroes and mexicans could never get in a school let alone make a varsity team."

There are always ways to get them into school. Graduating them is a whole 'nuther problem.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-28   11:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A Pole (#12)

IQ measures ability to solve IQ puzzles. Nothing more, nothing less. It was designed to pick qualified office drones.

"Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'

I believe IQ measures one's place on the evolutionary ladder. A hard number which quantifies one's superiority over others. An indicator of one's usefulness and status in society.

But, hey. That's simply my opinion. And the opinion of my fellow Mensans.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-28   11:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#14)

High enough to score in the top 15 on a civil service test were [sic] 450 people took the exam.

Sure you did, Einstein, sure you did.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-28   11:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Fred Mertz (#17) (Edited)

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it not true. Unless you're the most all knowing person you know?

Are you that self important, Freddy?

lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   12:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Feddy?

lol

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-28   12:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Fred Mertz (#19)

A typo, Freddy.

You know what that is?

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   12:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland, out damned spot (#10)

"Compassion, sympathy and kindness will be our downfall, as a species".

I agree with you 100% GI but, with one slight correction. No disrespect intended.

"(misguided) Compassion, sympathy and kindness will be our downfall, as a species".

CHEERS! On this bitter, cold day. &;-)

("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)

Murron  posted on  2015-02-28   12:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#14)

120?

A Pole  posted on  2015-02-28   12:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A Pole (#22)

120?

High enough to have never needed liberal help achieving anything in life.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   12:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GrandIsland (#14)

I'm not a sheep

Really? So who you are under your sheepskin?

A Pole  posted on  2015-02-28   12:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#23)

High enough to have never needed liberal help achieving anything in life.

You mean you live off taxpayers tit?

A Pole  posted on  2015-02-28   12:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A Pole (#25) (Edited)

You mean you live off taxpayers tit?

Negative. The NYS retirement system is completely separate animal than a tax funded budget.

It's payouts are funded by employee contatbutions and investments. Not socialist at all.

Now, KOOKIFORNIA, is different. They took employee contributions and stole from it by balancing budgets... and now it's a tax drain because that shithole state taxes and spends just like you spew ignorance.... endless

You should research the NYS retirement fund... so you don't sound so uninformed. The fund is so huge, so rich... that Cuck Fuomo has threatened to steal from it. He'll never be allowed.

Other than that, I'm retired.

I like your spin tho. You know our founding fathers intended on some form of government and TAXES to fund it... and when a conservative, like me complains about the SIZE of it, a liberal like you wants to spin the intended amount to be just as bad as the overgrown and out of control amount of government.

Do you suggest that there be no Sheriff's? lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   12:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#7)

Do you want to hear a squawk heard around the world?

The way to fix this is to hoist the commies/libs/progs on their own petard. Make it so all students must be accepted regardless of SAT, to any college or university that takes tax breaks, or direct monies from any form of government. Destroy the Ivy league type schools make all admissions equal.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-02-28   12:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: out damned spot (#0)

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

In more breaking news,editors have determined that the sun usually rises in the east!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-28   12:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: out damned spot, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#0)

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

Anybody else notice how it always seems like the people that work the hardest end up being the luckiest and most successful?

I think it must be some sort of conspiracy!

No juz-tize,no peas!

No juz-tize,no peas!

No juz-tize,no peas!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-28   12:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: patriot wes (#4)

And these people used to scream for "EQUALITY!".....

Yeah,but only because they don't understand what the word means.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-28   12:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: jeremiad (#27)

Destroy the Ivy league type schools make all admissions equal.

The Ivy League are private colleges, not state universities.

You would likely make the Ivy schools even more powerful than they are now.

Turning the universities into community colleges is probably not the answer you want.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   12:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A Pole (#12)

IQ measures ability to solve IQ puzzles. Nothing more, nothing less.

It was designed to pick qualified office drones.

You just keep telling yourself that,Bubba.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-28   12:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: jeremiad (#27)

"Make it so all students must be accepted regardless of SAT"

Sure. That's easy. But if you're a college and 90% of your freshmen flunk out, where are your sophomores going to come from?

Colleges make their money from students who will go there all four years. So want only those students who are smart enough to survive all four years.

A SAT (ACT) score is the best predictor.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-02-28   13:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#1)

.........this was a study to try to quantify how much higher they need to score to be offered admission.

How do you know? The article didn't state this.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-28   13:42:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SOSO (#34)

Either you didn't read or didn't understand what the article said.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   13:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#35)

What about the following don't you undrestand.

"A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column."

It is perfectly clear that the bonus points are de facto awarded and the Princeton study was to determine the magnitude of SAT bonus points per race. In other words it determined the equivalent SAT score a Black, Hispanic and Asian used in the admission decision had race of the applicant not been identified.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-28   13:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Fred Mertz (#17)

Sure you did, Einstein, sure you did.

A lot more believable than White as a Mensa member. And NY's civil service exam is not a Mensa test, judging by various comments I've read about it over the years.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   14:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: SOSO (#36)

Like I said, you don't understand the article. It was poorly written IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   14:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: out damned spot (#0)

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

Asian students however are penalized 50 points due to their race.

The new appoach to creating equality. Chop off the heads of anyone showing innate capacity and determination while granting imbeciles Ph. D.s to prance with.

rlk  posted on  2015-02-28   14:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TooConservative (#38)

Like I said, you don't understand the article.

Au contrare. It is perfectly clear that being black is wirth the stated bonus points on the SAT in the adnmission decision. For example a black with a SAT of 1500 would be on a par with a white with a SAT of 1750 and an ASain of 1800.

I do agree that the article could have been worded better. But what do you expect, it probably was written for a blacks or hispanics.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-28   14:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: SOSO (#40)

The key difference is that the schools do not actually adjust the SAT scores. The study tries to estimate roughly how much higher they would have to score on SAT for admission.

These schools are too smart to be so blatant as just adjusting SAT scores directly. Too many litigious parents out there.

BTW, legacy students (children of alumni) get a "bonus" of 160 points if you read the LAT article. So a lot of Asians and even a few Hispanics are losing out to alumni families.

Not that any of this discrimination seems to tip Asians into voting Republican, the one way they might actually force this issue with the Dims.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   14:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TooConservative (#41)

The key difference is that the schools do not actually adjust the SAT scores. The study tries to estimate roughly how much higher they would have to score on SAT for admission.

Thank you, that is exactly what I described. LLAD.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-02-28   14:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Murron (#21)

misguided

Good point.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-02-28   16:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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