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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Congress launches Medal of Honor campaign for ‘American Sniper’ Chris Kyle Source: washingtontimes.com URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... medal-honor-chris-kyle-americ/ Published: Feb 26, 2015 Author: Jacqueline Klimas Post Date: 2015-02-27 10:03:05 by Gatlin Keywords: None Views: 17981 Comments: 87 A Texas congressman introduced a bill Thursday that would ask the president to posthumously award the Medal of Honor to Chris Kyle, a Navy SEAL whose life was chronicled in the movie “American Sniper.” Rep. Roger Williams, Texas Republican, said Kyle should receive the Medal of Honor for his actions during Operation Iraqi Freedom that saved “countless American lives.” “There is no doubt that this true American hero is worthy of our nation’s highest military honor,” Mr. Williams said in a statement. “While the Medal of Honor will not bring back a husband, father, son and a model Texan, we owe Chris Kyle and his family a great deal of gratitude for his relentless devotion to his country.” Kyle is credited with being the deadliest sniper in American history. He was killed two years ago when a veteran he brought to a gun range who was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder turned the gun on Kyle. The veteran, Eddie Ray Routh, was found guilty earlier this week and sentenced to life in prison. The Medal of Honor must be awarded by the president, but there is historical precedent for members of Congress offering legislation to encourage the president to award the medal to certain individuals, Mr. Williams‘ office said in a statement. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 29. #1. To: Gatlin (#0) I'd be more moved by a request from the Joint Chiefs or the appropriate board at the Pentagon. I think that the medals get very questionable when they are awarded as the result of some sleazy pols lobbying for it. The Pentagon should award its own medals. I'd prefer the president not control the award of any medals, military or civilian. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-27   10:19:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: TooConservative (#1) I think what he did was courageous and I admire him. These are the actions I more closely associate with being awarded a Medal of Honor. Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-27   11:02:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Gatlin (#2) These are the actions I more closely associate with being awarded a Medal of Honor. I reviewed them. Chris Kyle's exploits don't match those of the ten listed. This Texas pol wouldn't be lobbying for this if Kyle didn't have a book/movie deal. The pol is piggybacking on to Kyle to aggrandize himself to the voters. Not that that will hurt him any with Texas voters but the rest of us shouldn't fail to see it for what it is. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   5:06:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: TooConservative (#5) (Edited)      These are the actions I more closely associate with being awarded a Medal of Honor. I reviewed them. Chris Kyle's exploits don't match those of the ten listed. The pol is piggybacking on to Kyle to aggrandize himself to the voters. This came to mind immediately when I read the article. Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-28   6:57:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited) I saw that half of AZ had their cell/phone/internet knocked out when some vandals dug up and cut a heavy shielded fiber optic cable in the desert. CenturyLink fixed it in a matter of hours. Maybe a test run like the attack on that CA power transformer station and regional telephone systems? FreeBeacon: Vandalism in Arizona Shut Down Internet, Cellphone, Telephone Service Across State Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   7:24:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: TooConservative (#7) It was called "vandalism" ... "maybe a test run" is more correct. Back to an earlier post: You should find this interesting: Capt. Humbert Roque Versace. Gatlin  posted on  2015-02-28   7:52:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Gatlin (#8) Unique in being a (posthumous) MOH award to a POW. And not tainted by political influence over the award itself, unlike this Kyle matter. It probably eats McCain up to think that some other POW won the MOH, not him. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-28   8:01:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: TooConservative, BobCeleste, GarySpFc (#9) O'Sullivan, Christopher Jo, (KIA), USA - Awarded: DSC - Vietnam War For years my college military fraternity alumni have attempted to contact DoD to reconsider the above officer for the MoH. I'll dig up the DSC citation if I still have it. He had a ticket home after a 1 yr tour. Heard his old team was pinned down in the jungle. Turned back went back to them and fought and died with them. When a relief went out he and the entire team were dead with 80-100 enemy dead among them. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-01   3:14:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: redleghunter (#17) I'll dig up the DSC citation if I still have it. I don't know if it is still true today,but when I was in the army it was generally considered to be true that the only way to get a DSC was to be put in for the MoH and have it denied due to not having the required number of credible witnesses. In other words,almost everybody understood that you had EARNED a MoH,even if you didn't receive it. IIRC,Robert Howard was awarded 2 DSC's before he got the MoH. All while he was a E-5 or E-6. When I met him he was a E-7 and waiting to hear if he got the MoH the 3rd time around. All this within 13 months. Everybody that ever met or knew him was in awe of him even before he got it,and even though everybody was happy for him when he finally did get the award,he didn't need it and it did nothing to add to the respect people that knew him had for him. It was just a formal recognition of who and what he was. I'm sure the same can be said for Mr.O'Sullivan. The character required was already there long before the action that brought it to the surface and proved it. Roy Benevidez is another that I hold in absolute awe. He earned the MoH while serving was CCS MACV-SOG,when he went on a 1 man Bright Light mission into Cambodia to rescue a recon team that was surrounded with everyone wounded and unable to move. This man jumped off a helicopter all alone in a small clearing in Cambodia that was surrounded by the NVA,armed with only a Bowie knife,and carrying a medics bag. He then ran about 75 yards THROUGH the NVA to get to the surrounded team and start treating them while fighting off the NVA. I get a chill every time I think about it. I don't care who you are or how high your standards for bravery are,going on a solo Bright Light mission into Cambodia in the late 60's while armed only with a knife takes stones. www.psywarrior.com/benavidez.html sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-01   5:59:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: sneakypete (#18) I get a chill every time I think about it. I don't care who you are or how high your standards for bravery are,going on a solo Bright Light mission into Cambodia in the late 60's while armed only with a knife takes stones. Or dumb as rocks. Or suicidal. You think the military wants all its soldiers to go on such hopeless missions just because it turned out heroically one time? I don't. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   8:45:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: TooConservative (#19) (Edited) I get a chill every time I think about it. I don't care who you are or how high your standards for bravery are,going on a solo Bright Light mission into Cambodia in the late 60's while armed only with a knife takes stones. Or dumb as rocks. Or suicidal. I solemnly assure you that Ben was neither. I knew him before any of this happened,and he was a mild-mannered and soft-spoken man that was very friendly to everyone he met,and that he had a lot of friends. He was one of those people that was almost always smiling,and seemed to be happy with life. If being the smartest person in the room is important to you,do yourself a favor and never volunteer for SF training because you will be destined to remain unhappy if you do. I like to think I am pretty smart,and I honestly can't remember a single time I was ever the smartest man in any briefing room or training class. You owe Ben and his family an apology for even suggesting such a thing. And there is no such thing as a stupid Special Forces qualified NCO. Every single one qualifies for admission to the army Officer Candidate School,and a lot end up with battlefield commissions and retire as senior officers. Many served a company commanders and even Battalion Commanders of foreign troops in battle. One SF E-7 from the 1st Group on Okinawa was deployed to South Korean on a TDY training mission with SK Special Forces,and ended up being appointed as the Defense Minister of South Korea by the South Korean president. This happened when there was a joint team party at the end of the training mission to celebrate the successful completion of the mission,and the SK President showed up after Larry (can't remember his last name right now) had a few drinks in him,and the president asked him "What can be done to improve the SK Army?" Larry was drunk enough to tell him,and was appointed Defense Minister on the spot. Since it was/is illegal for US military members to hold positions in foreign govenments,it took the State Department to get him out of that one. He ended up retiring from the army and going to Beriut to lead one of the Christian militia there during the Civil War,and died of a heart attack while home visiting his family, sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-01   11:24:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: sneakypete (#20) You honestly think that the Pentagon wants its soldiers to go on such suicidal missions? I think they are more prudent. I see nothing wrong with giving him the medal but I don't think the Pentagon actually wants its soldiers to go into battle so poorly armed and against such overwhelming odds. Just because one guy was lucky enough to get out alive from such an exploit doesn't mean it is a good general practice to encourage among the rank and file. At any rate, I don't see the Pentagon likes sending troops on suicide missions. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   12:02:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: TooConservative (#22) No such thing as luck. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-01   12:06:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: redleghunter (#24) No such thing as luck. I'm doubt the War College believes in predestination. The professional military may consider bold tactics exemplary. But not suicidal tactics. Perhaps you could cite other similar missions where they ordered a soldier to drop alone into a jungle armed only with a knife to fight off an unknown number of veteran enemy troops armed with machine guns to provide succor to troops in extremis. But they don't give such orders, do they? And they don't teach it as the expected standard operational procedure for all soldiers to their young officer corp, do they? Maybe you could cite examples of where the military makes it official policy for virtually unarmed soldiers to take on unknown numbers of enemy soldiers alone. Or something from the War College archives extolling such missions as standard military doctrine. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   12:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, GarySpFc (#25) I'm doubt the War College believes in predestination. The professional military may consider bold tactics exemplary. But not suicidal tactics. Perhaps you could cite other similar missions where they ordered a soldier to drop alone into a jungle armed only with a knife to fight off an unknown number of veteran enemy troops armed with machine guns to provide succor to troops in extremis. But they don't give such orders, do they? And they don't teach it as the expected standard operational procedure for all soldiers to their young officer corp, do they? Maybe you could cite examples of where the military makes it official policy for virtually unarmed soldiers to take on unknown numbers of enemy soldiers alone. Or something from the War College archives extolling such missions as standard military doctrine. Well the War College types sure do award folks like Benavidez for their actions. No, such situations do have volunteers in such hopeless situations. The pilots would be the first. However these were SF soldiers. No one had to ask. A brother bleeds and the other brothers heed. As Pete commented Roy was a happy humble professional. When I was a young officer and heard him speak there was no "John Wayne" in him at all. He was surprised one day in his life seemed to define him. His main point was to take care of your soldiers and do the right thing always. Simple NCO stuff. No grand standing at all. No, I'm sure Pentagon strategic planners don't have predestination in mind at all when formulating military operations. However the services do employ chaplains. So again, leaders don't ask people to be like Benavidez. Don't order them to be so. Why? Because many line up to help a comrade in need. In fact some leaders have to order folks to stand down. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-01   12:41:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#27) This discussion of heroics reminded me of the record of the Ghurka warriors that served the British and Indian armies. Surely the most badass Buddhists in history. Unfortunately, they go into battle chanting their devotion to Kali, the god of death. So it mars their reputation in my mind, however indisputable their bravery and prowess in battle. Looking at the wiki link, I was surprised that even America employs some. The United States Navy employs Gurkha guards as sentries at its base in Naval Support Activity Bahrain and on the US Navy side of the pier at Mina Salaman. The Gurkhas work alongside army, air force and navy members in day-to-day operations. They also work as security forces at the US embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. No wonder we've never heard a peep of concern about that embassy. Normally, you just guard them with Marines. However admirable the Ghurka troops, I'm not sure we can make our own military quite so formidable, given the recruits within the military's purview to recruit. Certainly our special forces are brave and incredibly capable. But this is not a new thing overall. As much as we credit the British for inventing the modern commando and our own subsequent extensive special forces development through the Cold War era, they are not necessarily any braver than the Ghurka have been for centuries. I think we flatter ourselves a bit by ignoring the Ghurkas conspicuous bravery over the centuries. But then, they can also be described as a heathen death cult, given their well-known devotion to Kali. And we should not ignore that the British empire shamelessly exploited these Nepalese peasants by relying on their service as a way out of abject poverty and only much later doing anything to help Nepal as a country. Why would they? Better to keep the Nepalese in poverty in order to recruit those superb warriors to keep the rotten old British empire on its feet. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-01   13:16:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 29. #31. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, GarySpFc (#29) Certainly our special forces are brave and incredibly capable. But this is not a new thing overall. As much as we credit the British for inventing the modern commando and our own subsequent extensive special forces development through the Cold War era, they are not necessarily any braver than the Ghurka have been for centuries. I think we flatter ourselves a bit by ignoring the Ghurkas conspicuous bravery over the centuries. But then, they can also be described as a heathen death cult, given their well-known devotion to Kali. I would say the Western model a bit different. Although you get psychos now and then who tried to get themselves killed in combat, they are not usually the type who do so for others. Benavites is what we call altruistic actions. He did not seek glory that day nor death. He sought to come to the aid of men He previously sweat and bled with in training and combat. redleghunter  posted on  2015-03-01 13:40:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: TooConservative (#29) Certainly our special forces are brave and incredibly capable. But this is not a new thing overall. As much as we credit the British for inventing the modern commando and our own subsequent extensive special forces development through the Cold War era, they are not necessarily any braver than the Ghurka have been for centuries. I think we flatter ourselves a bit by ignoring the Ghurkas conspicuous bravery over the centuries. But then, they can also be described as a heathen death cult, given their well-known devotion to Kali. There is far more to being a Special Forces trooper than bravery and being a commando. GarySpFC  posted on  2015-03-01 14:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: TooConservative (#29) I think we flatter ourselves a bit by ignoring the Ghurkas conspicuous bravery over the centuries. Find a professional combat arms soldier that ignores the history and courage of the Ghurkas. sneakypete  posted on  2015-03-01 23:40:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 29. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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