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Title: Paying the Price for Defending Your Troops (Lt Lorance - 20 Years in Prison for Killing Terrorists)
Source: TOS
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Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: NA
Post Date: 2015-01-31 21:18:55 by rlk
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Views: 712
Comments: 7

Paying the Price for Defending Your Troops (Lt Lorance - 20 Years in Prison for Killing Terrorists)

Imagine this: You take command of an Army platoon stationed near a "Taliban-influenced" village in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan. The area has been described as a "hotbed of enemy activity," and unfortunately, your platoon has lost 10 percent of its men (including the former platoon leader) within the last couple months to insurgent attacks. You are familiar with intelligence that suggests motorcycles--specifically red motorcycles-- have been used in the area as enemy getaway vehicles, as well as being a vehicle of choice to implant IEDs. They are also used by suicide bombers who choose to ram themselves into groups of innocent civilians or military patrols and detonate explosives. The first day you take your platoon out for a patrol, you come under enemy fire, but manage to escape unscathed. The second day, while patrolling a road that is known to be frequented by the enemy, you encounter three men on a red motorcycle speeding towards your patrol. You have a split-second decision to make: Do you stand down and pray they don't detonate an IED causing more casualties to your platoon? Or, knowing everything you know about motorcycles and the dangers of the area you are patrolling, do you order your men to engage?

What choice would you make?

Army 1st. Lieutenant Clint Lorance, 29, found himself in this very situation and apparently, made the wrong call when he gave permission for his men to fire at the motorcycle, killing two of the three men. Now, Lorance is serving a 20-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth prison for violating President Obama's rules of engagement.

In 2009, the Obama Administration implemented the COIN (counter insurgent) strategy and new rules of engagement, which among other things, forces troops to stand down until there is evidence of "hostile action or "hostile intent". Unfortunately, these rules have deadly consequences for our heroes who are forced to choose between "winning the hearts and minds" of the Afghan people and keeping their troops safe. Consider this startling statistic from Col. Allen West's website: "In the first seven-plus years of war in Afghanistan (October 2001 – December 2008) we lost 630 U.S. soldiers. In early 2009, the Obama administration authorized the implementation of the COIN (Counter-Insurgent) strategy...and over the next five years, the U.S. death toll nearly tripled. Seventy-three percent of all U.S. deaths in Afghanistan have taken place since 2009."

If you aren't familiar with the story of Lt. Lorance, it's likely through no fault of your own. Last summer, as the media salivated over the courts martial of the "disgruntled worker", Maj. Nidal Hasan, and Wikileaks groupie, Miss Chelsea Manning (formerly known as Pfc. Bradley Manning), there was barely a whisper about Lt. Lorance's case. What the Lieutenant's trial lacked in main stream media sensationalism, it more than made up for in exposing the true colors of President Obama's Rules of Engagement.

EXCLUSIVE: Details from Lt. Lorance's Trial

Are Motorcycles a Threat?

A significant portion of the trial was spent examining the dangers posed to U.S. troops by motorcycles in Afghanistan and testimony varied as to the threatening nature of the vehicles. Some witnesses claimed the mere presence of motorcycles posed no threat to their safety, saying villagers and farmers also used them as a means of transportation. However, others acknowledged the dangers the vehicles present. One Lieutenant who testified said, "Typically in our AO (area of operations) red motorcycles specifically would be used in our area by IED emplacers. They would drive the motorcycle up to a certain location, drop in an IED or activate an IED that was already in place, and then hop back on the motorcycle and drive away."

For years Taliban or enemy combatants have used motorcycles as a means of attack. For instance, in 2009, NATO reported that a motorcycle IED killed at least 6 Afghans. In 2012, a suicide bomber drove his motorcycle into an Afghan and NATO patrol killing 14 service members. In 2013, a motorbike packed with explosives targeted a military convoy killing two U.S. troops. A more extensive list of motorcycle attacks can be viewed here.

Womack believes that those who testified motorcycles were a non-threat, "felt that their role was to help the government to imply that these motorcycles were everywhere and that they were all just alike and they saw nothing dangerous about the motorcycle."

A Desire to Serve

The son of a welder and a stay at home mother, Lorance was born in Oklahoma and raised in Texas and Oklahoma. An aspiring police officer from the time he was young, he had a change of heart after the terror attacks on September 11th, 2001. Realizing there was a greater purpose to fulfill, Lorance joined the Army on his 18th birthday in December of 2002.

RELATED: Army Documents Paint a Glowing Portrait of Lorance

According to his cousin, Jamie Garza, Lorance always "went by the books," even when he decided to join the military saying, "Before he signed up for the Army, he got packets of information, made flashcards and studied everything about the Army before he even signed the paperwork. Before he jumps into something he always analyzes and evaluates his scenarios." Garzas opinion of her cousin seems to fall in line with court testimony from one of Lorance's ROTC subordinates who said, "he would quote Army manuals to you about your uniform, the way you’re marching, which was great because if you’re going to go lead a platoon or you’re going to go out and be an officer you need to know how to do it right. And he always knew how to do it right."

While he is meticulous and serious by nature, Garza says Lorance also has a strong moral compass and a dedication to family. Ever since he joined the Army, the Lieutenant would make a direct deposit of $200 into his grandmother's account every month because she was on a fixed income. Knowing that she would never accept his money, Garza says, "Clint had to tell our grandmother that the money came from an Army program to help senior citizens. He did that up until the day he went to jail." Garza also recalls a story where Lorance gave his jacket and the shoes off his feet to a homeless man outside of a local Walmart.

Will Political Correctness Stand in the Way of Clemency?

Currently, Lt. Lorance and his attorney are reviewing the Record of Trial which was released late February. Their next step is to seek clemency from the commanding general at Fort Bragg who could choose to set aside the conviction or provide sentencing relief. Should the conviction not be set aside, the appeals process will begin.

According to the Record of Trial, Lt. Lorance's actions while leading the platoon were far from perfect. He was--after all-- convicted of making threatening remarks to Afghan civilians as well as obstruction of justice for omitting several details about the incident to his superiors. Even taking this information into consideration, the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime.

Lorance has been called a "scapegoat" for the U.S. government; with his harsh sentencing an indicator to Afghan officials that America is more committed to winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people than to winning the War on Terror (or as we now call it, "Overseas Contingency Operations"). Rather than defend our men, American officials prefer to send our troops to hostile and dangerous countries without the proper resources or rules of engagement needed to succeed, and then throw them under the bus the moment something contrary to their "politically correct" war agenda occurs. Mind you, all of this done in an effort to appease a country that will endlessly despise the United States of America.

On July 2, 2012, Lorance had a split-second, life-or-death, decision to make. It is comparable to the decision that Navy SEAL and author of Lone Survivor, Marcus Luttrell was forced to make in 2007: While on a covert mission to capture an extremist leader, he and team came across two unarmed goat herders and rather than kill them, the men let them go and had to hope they would not run back to the village and expose the SEAL's location to the Taliban. Within an hour, dozens of enemy forces ambushed the men and ultimately killed 19 Americans. What would have happened had Lorance not ordered his men to shoot the motorcycle riders? What if they were enemy scouts, tracking the location of the patrol, readying their men to strike and cause the platoon to lose even more men?

Again this author asks, what choice would you make?

Last month, defying the feeble demands from the U.S., Afghan authorities released 65 prisoners linked to attacks that killed or wounded 32 American and coalition service members. According to a Pentagon document, "25 of the Afghan prisoners were linked to the production or placement of IEDs, 33 tested positive for explosives residue when they were captured, and 26 were associated with attacks that killed or wounded 57 Afghan citizens and Afghan National Security Forces."

These killers are now free to roam the streets able to strike again, while 1st. Lt. Clint Lorance potentially has more than 19 years to serve in prison.

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#1. To: rlk (#0)

As long as people are willing to enlist in the empire's military, these situations will continue.

You take their dime, you live by their rules. Sometimes in a prison.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   21:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: rlk (#0)

I hadn't heard of this story until now.

Thanks for posting it.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-01   1:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: rlk (#0)

The ROE for CENTCOM is clear. If a soldier is presented with a situation where they assess deadly force endangering themselves or others they may use whatever force proportionally necessary to neutralize the threat.

What usually causes these problems is when a lower level local commander issues a more restrictive ROE. I encountered this in Iraq in 2007.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   2:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#3)

The ROE for CENTCOM is clear. If a soldier is presented with a situation where they assess deadly force endangering themselves or others they may use whatever force proportionally necessary to neutralize the threat.

What usually causes these problems is when a lower level local commander issues a more restrictive ROE. I encountered this in Iraq in 2007.

The older I get the more I can appreciate Sherman's outlook on war (and my mother was born in Atlanta). War is hell, I cannot understand the enthusiasm so many folks have for war, but then they wage it halfheartedly. I think we could have avoided many of our wars, but when we must fight it should be all in. The only mercy in war is speed, and a long war does as much damage to the victor as to the vanquished.

War, try to avoid it, if you must, go for disproportionate response. Fight so that the enemies will is eroded, not your own.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-02-01   21:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nativist nationalist, GarySpFc (#4)

I read the article bit closer. The testimony they use to justify the use of force is frankly flaky and would look as such to seasoned combat veterans sitting on a Court Martial panel (jury).

It seems they used the red motorcycle defense. "Red motorcycles were used for insurgent activities, so they were justified shooting at red motorcycles." I'm sure there is more to the event as I suspect. As in, did the motorcycle approach a fixed site with warning signs? Did the soldiers have time for escalation of force before using deadly force?

I'm no Obola fan but the CENTCOM ROE did not change with him coming to office. Hostile act and hostile intent was always the core of the ROE since the Lebanon barracks bombing in 83.

My third tour to Iraq was in the Corps Hqs during the Iraqi surge. Several units had difficulty understanding the ROE. So yours truly and two JAG officers had to leaf through ROE documents from the Joint staff down to each Battalion deployed in Iraq. Our conclusion was the CENTCOM and Corps ROE documents were clear and gave hostile act/intent determination to the lowest level on scene commander or soldier faced with such situations. We further concluded that Division, Brigade and Battalion commanders added layers of ROE approval authority. Thus endangering soldiers in action. Only explanation I could come to is these lower level commanders did not want "trouble" with higher HQs or were thinking of their careers. Of course the big boss 3 star fixed it.

Then we also realized we had a few "cowboys" out there trying to game the ROE and that was handled much different. These commanders did not violate the ROE but knew it so well they knew what to report to get emergency assets when they had plenty available.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-02   0:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nativist nationalist, GarySpFc (#4)

War, try to avoid it, if you must, go for disproportionate response. Fight so that the enemies will is eroded, not your own.

Yes there is much to be said with our failure to have an effective State Department. They have been useless.

Quick decisive wars are over for the US and western nations. Every adversary knows the mass media in the west is more than willing to be used as a free information operations and psychological operations platform for them. 24 hour feeding cycle of alleged US actions as atrocities convinces Joe six pack. We are basically fighting our own citizens who have a press badge. We have NBC hiring Al Jezzeriah reporters. How do you fight such in this environment?

Plus American politicians do not have the intestinal fortitude to conduct a quick, decisive and destructive war.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-02   0:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter, nativist nationalist (#6)

Quick decisive wars are over for the US and western nations. Every adversary knows the mass media in the west is more than willing to be used as a free information operations and psychological operations platform for them. 24 hour feeding cycle of alleged US actions as atrocities convinces Joe six pack. We are basically fighting our own citizens who have a press badge. We have NBC hiring Al Jezzeriah reporters. How do you fight such in this enviro

We need a resurrected Shakespeare to deal with the lawyers.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-02   0:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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