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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
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Published: Jan 31, 2015
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A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree. Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide. "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com. "Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added. Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported. "Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya." "Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression." "The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote. The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported. "What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home." If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote. The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.
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#41. To: Otter (#40)
I always find it painful to encounter these horrible persons on the web. : )
You mean tpaineful?
This debate is stupid and goes to show Americans were mind frakked over the Iraq war. It also does not help that post war Kyle came off as barely literate - the book of his was ghost written and probably not based on any real life events and was designed as pro Iraq war propaganda for all we know. I actually question the number of kills he did. He could have been chosen because he was not so bright and would not question his role. Besides the proven lie that he hit Jesse Ventura in a bar fight (which was a fake story to undermine a populist anti-war/Bush persona with a bona fide military pedigree) but Kyle lied about killing carjackers in Texas and that he was flown to New Orleans during Katrina and he sniped gang members from the roof of the astrodome there. All proven lies. so suddenly this movie comes out that is more fake than the book and this re-ignites the old debate about the Bush justified war in Iraq vs those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all.
I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura Referring to Kyle. Sounds like more Jesse BS to me.
The SEAL Teams operate similar to other special operations...as a team. Most of what a sniper on a SOF team will do is provide overwatch for the team members. The SEAL teams were mostly in Anbar province when I was in Iraq. Believe it or not, they did more non lethal engagement of the populace and Iraqi security forces to include training Iraqi special forces. Guys like Kyle would provide overwatch for both lethal and non lethal operations. When you have a SEAL team conducting a raid with Iraqi special forces in a confined area, a sniper functions much like a fire support asset. They have the back of the team doing the mission. The team is very exposed during an operation and without snipers, observation drones, EW assets and if all goes to pot, an AC-130U overhead the team dies. SEAL teams are what we call white ops special forces. They are subject to the LOAC and ROE like everyone else. Comparing a Navy SEAL sniper to an elementary school murderer is frankly idiotic. I know you and many others here are staunchly opposed to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. As a fellow American I respect your views. The fact is both wars no matter how opposed some here are to them were authorized by our elected government and the forces deployed under and subject to the LOAC and ROE.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
Did you ever discuss your thoughts with those who served with Kyle? They give a different story of his service in Iraq. Never had a problem with the SEAL teams I dealt with. Very conscious of collateral concerns and ROE.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
If you have, you too share in the killing of men from a distance. Too bad the Daily Kos was not around during the Battle of Agincourt. Wonder if all those Welsh archers would be called elementary school killers. So yes, ranged weapon systems have been around since the beginning. As well as foot and mounted.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura Referring to Kyle. Sounds like more Jesse BS to me. Ventura sued Kyle's estate and the court found Kyle lied to a great degree and Ventura was awarded almost $2 million. So, no, Kyle is a proven liar in a court of law.
I did not say anything about Kyle other than he seemed not too bright or ill educated based on the way he talked. I also speculated his kills maybe bullshit - like the way we heard that female soldier being raped and tortured only to find out later that the Iraqis took good care of her in the hospital - but her plight was used to push the war propaganda out.
Even though Jesse claimed he didn't know Kyle. I guess Jesse is a liar also.
astrodome = superdome
What do you mean by "know" like he heard of him or he knew him intimately? And how is that relative? I mean find the quote so we can all read it in context. Kyle lied about killing people in New Orleans in Katrina. He lied about killing carjacking Mexicans in Texans. All these kills covered up by the govt and grateful cops so no evidence can exist.
Well all war movies should serve to show the horrors of war and the consequences of such. Especially for those who foment war. I don't know where the term "antiwar" came from unless one is code pinkie. The majority of those who serve hope they never have to wage war. I for one probably won't see the movie. Had quite my fill of the real motion picture and have the six hash marks to prove it.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
Did you get that from Kyle's book? If so, please let me know the page number. Thanks.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
Magazine interview Kyle gave: http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris- kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/ It was left out of the book because it was clearly bullshit. I first asked him about the story last summer, during an interview in his Dallas office. I said: “Now, I have to ask you about an incident that I’ve heard about. I heard it happened at a gas station.” He said: “You mean the time I shot two guys trying to steal my truck?” I sat there stunned for a few seconds. The incredible story I’d heard, I figured there was no way it was true. “It’s true,” he said. He proceeded to tell me about that day. It was in January 2009, just weeks after he retired from the Navy. It was cold that morning, and he was wearing a heavy winter coat. He was driving his truck — his now famous black F350 with the large rims and impressive grill — when he needed to stop for gas. He pulled into a station right off highway 67. As he got out of the truck, two men approached. Both had guns in their hands. One pointed his weapon at Kyle. They told him to hand over his keys. Kyle was out of the truck, on the passenger’s side. “I told them I would get them the keys,” he told me. “I told them they were in the truck and to just let me reach in.” He noticed the man pointing the gun didn’t seem very confident. Kyle knew what confidence with a gun looked like. As Kyle turned, leaning into the open passenger door of the truck, he reached into his own waistband. With his right hand, he grabbed his Colt 1911. He fired two shots under his left armpit, hitting the first guy twice in the chest. Then he turned slightly and fired twice more, hitting the second man twice in the chest. Both men fell dead. Kyle leaned on his truck and waited for the police. http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper- fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html Truly an interesting tale, but is it true? We searched for news stories and found none. We checked with the medical examiner’s office, which reported no such deaths in Cleburne in January 2009. We sought an interview with Luttrell, himself a decorated Navy SEAL, but did not hear back. We sent emails to friends of Kyle. One, who asked to remain anonymous, replied that if Luttrell said it, then “it’s probably true.” He also confirmed that the alleged incident happened in Cleburne. We asked Cleburne police about it and, after a day of research, they said they had no record of such a shooting. Ditto for the Johnson County district attorney’s office. Police in Midlothian, where Kyle lived, had no knowledge of “such an event.” Another friend of Kyle’s, Dalworthington Gardens Police Chief Bill Waybourn, replied: “The legends about Chris abound. After this week I expect a thousand stories like that.” But he declined to comment on whether the incident described by Luttrell actually happened. Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain- american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of- chris-kyle-01?single=1 During the interview in which he discussed the gas station incident, he didn’t say where it happened. Most versions of the story have him in Cleburne, not far from Fort Worth. The Cleburne police chief says that if such an incident did happen, it wasn’t in his town. Every other chief of police along Highway 67 says the same thing. Public information requests produced no police reports, no coroner reports, nothing from the Texas Rangers or the Department of Public Safety. I stopped at every gas station along 67, Business 67 in Cleburne, and 10 miles in either direction. Nobody had heard of anything like that happening.
I don't recall which nation's soldier said it or if it was in WW1 or WW2 but artillery spotters boasted in history book I read that they were snipers with larger guns.
This debate is stupid and goes to show Americans were mind frakked over the Iraq war. It also does not help that post war Kyle came off as barely literate - the book of his was ghost written and probably not based on any real life events and was designed as pro Iraq war propaganda for all we know. I actually question the number of kills he did. He could have been chosen because he was not so bright and would not question his role. Kyle was a SEAL, and stupid men do not get in a Special Ops unit. Furthermore, those were confirmed kills, and not based only on Kyle's word. Besides the proven lie that he hit Jesse Ventura in a bar fight (which was a fake story to undermine a populist anti-war/Bush persona with a bona fide military pedigree) but Kyle lied about killing carjackers in Texas and that he was flown to New Orleans during Katrina and he sniped gang members from the roof of the astrodome there. All proven lies. The Astrodome is not in New Orleans. I can tell you Ventura has told some whoppers IMHO. He was never a SEAL, but went through UDT training, which really didn't compare to what SEALS experience. so suddenly this movie comes out that is more fake than the book and this re-ignites the old debate about the Bush justified war in Iraq vs those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all. Kyle very likely told some lies, but his combat record is genuine.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Yeah, well, er, um, it's only 350 miles away.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Well it does take skill. And yes you have to have brass bells to be an SF sniper. Here's a typical scenario. The team's mission is to conduct a mission in a constrained urban area. Strike time is 2200 hours. Sniper leaves alone with minimal ammunition and communications hours if not the day or night before to recon his site. He is alone, trying to blend in with locals and then he finds his spot sets up and waits...alone. No one covers him, he could be under observation thus putting the team at risk. The team shows up within his field of view or on comms. Sniper provides overwatch. If he shoots, he has to move, thus exposing himself. To be honest I would rather be in an F16 dropping PGMs from 16k ft than have my 4th point of contact out in the wind. So they are brave and know some who are snipers in the Army and Marines. A lot braver than the internet jockies blathering about elementary school murderers. I mean it's not like flying large passenger airplanes into skyscrapers.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
As opposed to a few of these on the thread: "The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
What we discovered is that an account of the incident was written by best-selling author Marcus Luttrell in his most recent book, Service: A Navy SEAL at War. Here’s an excerpt from pages 282-283: On a bitterly cold morning in early January of 2009, the war, in a sense, found Chris again. What happened to him not far from his home outside Dallas never made the news, since the town involved didn’t want the publicity, but the incident certainly would have made national headlines had a reporter ever gotten a tip about it. Chris was minding his own business, fueling his pickup truck at a gas station, when he found himself at gunpoint. Two men holding pistols demanded his truck. Law enforcement will usually advise you to give in to the criminal in a situation like this. And that’s good advice. But Chris took another route. Very calmly and coolly, he sized up which of the men was handling his pistol more comfortably. He put his hands up and told them he was going to reach into the truck to get his keys. Then his hand went under his coat. From a waistband holster, he pulled his Colt 1911. Swinging the pistol under his left armpit, he gave each robber two .45 caliber Hydra-Shock hollow- points to the chest. By the time the cops responded to the 911 call from the terrified lady who had locked herself in a car behind Chris’s truck, the matter was settled. Elapsed time: about ten seconds. The service station’s security cameras caught the whole thing. I pray for anyone whose life gets so desperate that he or she chooses to resort to a life of crime, but it’s hard to resist a little cold laughter all the same: I mean, how unlucky a dumbass do you have to be to target a random guy for felony armed assault and find out he’s killed more people than smallpox? your link is bad. Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain- american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html#storylink=cpy
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
SEALs are not stupid. The USN goes to great efforts to recruit the most physically fit, and bright to compete. Their training is physically, mentally and psychologically demanding. Only the best in the Navy become SEALS. I heard Kyle speak on TV a few times. He has a southern drawl which for a Yankee or city dweller may seem unintelligent. I grew up in Urban NY and educated in NYC. So perhaps that is your perspective. One of which I quickly learned in military service was a bad stereotype. Navy SEALS are no rubes. If Kyle was as dimwitted as you claim, he would have perished in scuba/dive school or even BUDS.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
Thanks and very interesting as I never heard of these accounts. But you have to account for the difference between what is a confirmed mission report in combat that some senior officer has to sign off on and the personal States side accounts of Kyle.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
I mean find the quote so we can all read it in context. You'll have to ask Jesse what he meant. http://www.infowars.com/jesse-ventura-gets-backing-of-former-seals-in-lawsuit-over-punch-hoax/ “He never hit me, I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura
You should post that over at the site which published this piece.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
copied from another site: Leslie255 Sep 8, 2012 “Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
From another site; http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2012/08/jesse_ventura_got_his_ass_kick ed_in_a_california_bar_fellow_seal_says.php Ventura is so upset over that passage, he's sued Kyle in federal court for defamation, misappropriation of his likeness, and unjust enrichment. The suit says "The entire story about a confrontation with and physical assault and battery of Governor Ventura was false and defamatory." A judge is scheduled to hear arguments on October 10. But Kyle isn't backing down. In a motion filed Tuesday, eight eyewitnesses provide sworn statements corroborating different parts of Kyle's account of his throwdown with Minnesota's ex-guv. In one of them, SEAL Jeremiah Dinnell says Ventura was "being a jackass." "That's when Chris punched him," Dinnell wrote. "All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him." In the Capitol, at bars, or in the squared-circle -- no matter the context, Jesse is apparently just a tough guy to get along with.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Most pompous, egotistical conspiracy proponents are.
From: http://www.startribune.com/local/167764165.html Kyle retired from the Navy in 2009. He served four combat tours in Iraq and elsewhere, and was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, two Navy and Marine Corp Achievement Medals, and one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation. "The Navy credits me with more kills as a sniper than any other American service member, past or present," he said in a court filing. Kyle said he and two co-authors wrote "American Sniper." "The events that happened in the book are true," he said. "I reconstructed dialogue from memory, which means that it may not be word for word. But the essence of what was said is accurate." The witnesses' declarations generally agree with Kyle's description of the alleged fight at McP's Irish Pub in Coronado. Kyle and his friends were having a wake for Mikey Mansoor, a SEAL who threw himself onto a grenade to save his comrades and was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. Eyewitness accounts Debbie Lee, who lost her son, Navy SEAL Marc Lee, in Iraq, said the group was mournful and respectful. "It was not a belly-up-to-the-bar type of event," she wrote. One of her son's SEAL teammates introduced her to Ventura, whom she found offensive. She said she heard him criticize the war and called President George Bush a jerk. Ventura could only talk about himself, she said. "He did not say he was sorry for my loss." Bob Gassoff, the SEAL who introduced Lee to Ventura, said the former governor wore a beard braided into pony tails and a blue SEAL team hat. "He was badmouthing the war and President Bush. He was upsetting the families of deceased SEALs," Gassoff said. Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane. "I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said. But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got." Most of those swearing out declarations said they didn't see Kyle hit Ventura, but claim they saw the commotion and the aftermath as Kyle took off and Ventura clambered up from the ground with blood on his face. Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception. "I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing. "That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him." Dan Browning • 612-673-4493
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
Well, Jesse is a pompous, egotistical, revolting person.
Gary as you know valor awards, especially the above ones, require a minimum of three eyewitness sworn statements.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)
Jesse Ventura Considers Himself A Libertarian Marxist "The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Jesse Ventura Promotes Marxism "The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
That interview http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/jesse-ventura-castros-man-of-courage/ only reinforces the observation that Jesse is like the Minnesota state bird.
Kyle was a SEAL, and stupid men do not get in a Special Ops unit. Furthermore, those were confirmed kills, and not based only on Kyle's word. Besides the proven lie that he hit Jesse Ventura in a bar fight (which was a fake story to undermine a populist anti-war/Bush persona with a bona fide military pedigree) but Kyle lied about killing carjackers in Texas and that he was flown to New Orleans during Katrina and he sniped gang members from the roof of the astrodome there. All proven lies. The Astrodome is not in New Orleans. I can tell you Ventura has told some whoppers IMHO. He was never a SEAL, but went through UDT training, which really didn't compare to what SEALS experience. so suddenly this movie comes out that is more fake than the book and this re-ignites the old debate about the Bush justified war in Iraq vs those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all. Kyle very likely told some lies, but his combat record is genuine. Kyle was a high school graduate with a sports background from Texas - not known for breeding scholars and sports stars. SEALS that are athletic but not well read do better than bookworms in training I imagine. Let's not pretend SEALS are warriors AND scholars. Astrodome - superdome. In any case Kyle lied about shooting people there as part of some Blackwater type deal. I can't tell if his combat record is accurate or if the govt made him a hero because it served some propaganda aim. Let us say instead of telling lies Kyle was a confabulator and such a man makes a perfect hero to a war lacking any appeal to the American public.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain- american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html#storylink=cpy I posted another link where Kyle recounted the incident himself. The reporter went looking for proof and found none. The reporter did not want death threats from internet fans of the war hero so said it was part of his 'legend' and facts no longer mattered. http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of- chris-kyle-01?single=1 During the interview in which he discussed the gas station incident, he didn’t say where it happened. Most versions of the story have him in Cleburne, not far from Fort Worth. The Cleburne police chief says that if such an incident did happen, it wasn’t in his town. Every other chief of police along Highway 67 says the same thing. Public information requests produced no police reports, no coroner reports, nothing from the Texas Rangers or the Department of Public Safety. I stopped at every gas station along 67, Business 67 in Cleburne, and 10 miles in either direction. Nobody had heard of anything like that happening.
That's a pretty lame apology.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYes, but too many posters post and act as if they know it all. Wouldn't you agree?
#42. To: TooConservative (#41)
I always find it painful to encounter these horrible persons on the web.
#43. To: TooConservative (#5)
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#44. To: Pericles (#43)
those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all
#45. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#5)
But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.
#46. To: Pericles (#43)
#47. To: tpaine (#7)
And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution. Have you served?
#48. To: Otter (#44)
hose who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all
#49. To: redleghunter (#46)
Did you ever discuss your thoughts with those who served with Kyle? They give a different story of his service in Iraq.
#50. To: Pericles (#48)
Ventura sued Kyle's estate
#51. To: All (#43)
#52. To: Otter (#50)
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Even though Jesse claimed he didn't know Kyle. I guess Jesse is a liar also.
#53. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#11)
BTW, Eastwood says it is an antiwar movie. I take him at his word. What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't. The Left is merely annoyed that the Right is happy about something so they picked a fight over this movie, apparently ignoring Eastwood and adopting the Right's view that it is a pro-war and pro-sniper flick.
#54. To: Pericles (#52)
Kyle lied about killing people in New Orleans in Katrina. He lied about killing carjacking Mexicans in Texans. All these kills covered up by the govt and grateful cops.
#55. To: redleghunter (#54)
yle lied about killing people in New Orleans in Katrina. He lied about killing carjacking Mexicans in Texans. All these kills covered up by the govt and grateful cops. Did you get that from Kyle's book? If so, please let me know the page number. Thanks.
#56. To: redleghunter (#54)
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/Chris-Kyle-Shot-Looters-Carjackers-Punched-Jesse-Ventura.htm#.VM2xXWjF__E
#57. To: TooConservative (#31)
So "sniper" can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
#58. To: Pericles, Redleghunter, Sneakypete (#43)
#59. To: GarySpFC (#58)
The Astrodome is not in New Orleans.
#60. To: TooConservative, CZ82, GarySpFc (#18)
The argument is over whether it is a heroic act, whether it is an example of warrior courage in the face of personal danger.
#61. To: redleghunter (#60)
And yes you have to have brass bells to be an SF sniper.
#62. To: Pericles (#56)
#63. To: Pericles, GarySpFc (#49)
I did not say anything about Kyle other than he seemed not too bright or ill educated based on the way he talked.
#64. To: Pericles (#56)
#65. To: Pericles (#52)
What do you mean by "know"
#66. To: Palmdale, GarySpFc (#61)
#67. To: Pericles, Redleghunter, Palmdale (#66)
Jesse Ventura is a liar, cheat, briber and phony Navy SEAL. Even his name is phony. He is James Janos. This is all documented in my book, “Always Cheat” The Philosophy of Jesse Ventura. My book cancelled Ventura’s plans to run for a second term as Minnesota Governor. I knocked Ventura and his son off the Government Center Plaza in Minneapolis where they were trying to befriend the Occupy Movement people, some of whom Ventura victimized when he supported torture at the Highway 55 police raid. You can find "Always Cheat" at Amazon.com or Barnes and Noble. In the Twin Cities "Always Cheat" can be found at most libraries. Or contact me for a complimentary copy. Leslie Davis, President www.EarthProtector.org 612-529-5253
#68. To: Pericles, Redleghunter, Palmdale (#52)
#69. To: GarySpFC (#68)
Jesse is apparently just a tough guy to get along with.
#70. To: Pericles (#69)
#71. To: GarySpFC (#70)
Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said.
#72. To: GarySpFC, Pericles (#70)
Kyle retired from the Navy in 2009. He served four combat tours in Iraq and elsewhere, and was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, two Navy and Marine Corp Achievement Medals, and one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation.
#73. To: GarySpFC (#67)
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#74. To: Otter (#71)
#75. To: redleghunter (#66)
#76. To: Palmdale (#73)
#77. To: GarySpFC (#58)
This debate is stupid and goes to show Americans were mind frakked over the Iraq war. It also does not help that post war Kyle came off as barely literate - the book of his was ghost written and probably not based on any real life events and was designed as pro Iraq war propaganda for all we know. I actually question the number of kills he did. He could have been chosen because he was not so bright and would not question his role.
#78. To: Otter (#76)
#79. To: GarySpFC (#62)
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our link is bad.
#80. To: Pericles (#77)
Astrodome - superdome.
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