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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 80041
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#276. To: Otter (#275)

That never happened.

You were there as an observer?

Bush himself stated there were no WMD - not that there were and moved to Syria. I also remember the whackado theory that Saddam had a ship roaming the oceans with the WMD hidden on them.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   21:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Pericles (#276)

So now you believe what Bush claimed once? Why?

That memory must have been your imagination. I never heard anything resembling that.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   21:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: TooConservative (#249)

I was accurately conveying many news stories.

No, that's another lie. You originally lied, "His SEAL colleagues, inasmuch as they spoke, disputed his account..." Your new links don't say that. In fact, there were colleagues who confirmed that Robert O'Neill fired the shots killing Bin Laden, as I proved.

You lied. You're trying to cover that with new lies. I now know you for exactly what you are. You do too.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-02-01   21:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Otter (#277)

So now you believe what Bush claimed once? Why?

Because he had to own up to his mistake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_inv asion_of_Iraq#Indian_Ocean

In 2003, the Jerusalem Post reported that Iraq's WMD might be found on cargo ships that were cruising aimlessly around the Indian Ocean.[52]

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-71893253.html

Iraqi WMD may be at sea

Headline: Iraqi WMD may be at sea Byline: DOUGLAS DAVIS Edition; Daily Section: News Page: 06 Thursday, February 20, 2003 -- LONDON - Three giant cargo ships that have been cruising in the Indian Ocean since last November have alarmed intelligence agencies which suspect they are carrying Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, according to a report published here on Wednesday.

The ships, which are being monitored by United States and British intelligence services, were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are sailing under the flags of three different countries.

All three have maintained radio silence since they left port and the captains have refused to provide information on their cargoes or their destinations, all of which contravene international maritime laws. …

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   21:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: Otter (#277)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-basis-for-wmd-smuggling-claims/

ByDAVID HANCOCKAPSeptember 16, 2004, 9:20 PM

No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims

As the hunt for weapons of mass destruction dragged on unsuccessfully in Iraq, top Bush administration officials speculated publicly that the banned armaments may have been smuggled out of the country before the war started.

Whether Saddam Hussein moved the WMD — deadly chemical, biological or radiological arms — is one of the unresolved issues that the final U.S. intelligence report on Iraq's programs is expected to address next month.

But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never "a piece," said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

The administration acknowledged last week that the search for banned weapons is largely over. The Iraq Survey Group's chief, Charles Duelfer, is expected to submit the final installments of his report in February. A small number of the organization's experts will remain on the job in case new intelligence on Iraqi WMD is unearthed.

But the officials familiar with the search say U.S. authorities have found no evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein transferred WMD or related equipment out of Iraq.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   21:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Pericles (#279)

In 2003, the Jerusalem Post reported that Iraq's WMD might be found on cargo ships

So is that true also?

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   21:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Otter (#281) (Edited)

In 2003, the Jerusalem Post reported that Iraq's WMD might be found on cargo ships

So is that true also?

What is clear is that those who supported the Iraq war were doing all they could to come up with excuses about why they could not find WMD so the rube base that supported George Bush would not turn on him until the Bush Admin had to admit there were not any to congress. Why are you still clinging on to trying to justify the WMD excuse for the Iraq war? Pathetic.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   21:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Pericles (#280)

http://pjmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   21:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Pericles (#282)

Pathetic.

Your spin certainly is.

Otter  posted on  2015-02-01   21:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Pericles (#274) (Edited)

That never happened.

Okay Mr. Interrnet Warrior,

Apparently you did not see the post Redleghunter made. Also, I have been associated with the SF community for over 50 years as active, reserve, and association member. Don't you think I might have slightly more information than you? Naturally, Bush would deny there were WMD.

Redleghunter. "I personally know two senior officers watching a SF drone and satellite feed from ARCENT HQs a few weeks before OIF kicked off. The vehicles and payload left no room for interpretation from their observations and of the A Team with eyes on. However requests to NCA to do something to halt and exploit the convoy were denied.
So yes, GWB is at fault for not snagging the smoking gun and possibly avoiding a protracted war."

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-01   22:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: GarySpFC (#266)

I was against Bush's nation building. It was wrong, wrong, wrong.

That said, Saddam did have WMD, which were sent by a Russian escorted convey to Syria.

I agree. Saddam used them against Iran. It's a tough neighborhood, Reagan knew he had them and used, but what he saw was a useful SOB. Good realpolitik in action, then the Bush clowns went to war over some stupid line on a map the British drew after the first world war. To rescue a monarchy that embargoed oil to America in 1973.

I'm not sure if these are the same WMD that Assad was supposed to have used against Al Qaeda's allies in Syria. If he did, he is awesome. We have a guy who used WMD against Al Qaeda/ISIS and McCain/Obama have to find sort of problem with it.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-02-01   22:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Pericles (#274) (Edited)

Redirection of WMD Scientists in Iraq and Libya: A Status Report By Michael Roston

In the wake of the defeat of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the renunciation by Libya of its weapon of mass destruction (WMD) programs, the United States has begun to expand the scope of its nonproliferation activities to prevent the migration of former WMD scientists and workers from these countries to other dangerous nations or organizations. The excess scientists, technicians, and engineers from the two states could pose a “brain drain” proliferation threat because of their considerable expertise in nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. President Bush underscored the importance of containing WMD expertise from Libya and Iraq in his address before the National Defense University on February 11, 2004.1
The U.S. has been engaged in brain drain proliferation prevention in Russia and the former Soviet states for over a decade. This experience has underscored the difficulty of the mission of redirecting weapons scientists. The unstable situation in Iraq, in particular, perhaps will make this undertaking even more challenging in that nation. But, accomplishing the administration’s objectives is very important for U.S. national security.
Over the past few months, the administration has begun to roll out a number of new programs designed to redirect weapons scientists in both Iraq and Libya into peaceful employment. The major programs are being created by the Department of State (DOS) and the Department of Energy (DOE). While these programs are just getting underway, and their final shape and direction have not yet completely emerged, analysis of them based on public information and official input indicates a need for caution and clarity. In particular there is a need for a clear understanding of the number and type of scientists the programs are targeting, the incorporation into the process of the important lessons learned from the Russia and FSU experience, and the need to ensure that the multiple programs being developed and funded by different agencies are complementary and not redundant.

There is far more to this article, but it makes my point that Iraq did have WMD.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-01   22:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: nativist nationalist, GarySpFC (#286) (Edited)

I'm not sure if these are the same WMD that Assad was supposed to have used against Al Qaeda's allies in Syria. If he did, he is awesome. We have a guy who used WMD against Al Qaeda/ISIS and McCain/Obama have to find sort of problem with it.

Syria has had its own chemical weapons program for decades. Chemical war is a 100 year old technology - I don't get why people think it is something cutting edge in warfare.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   23:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: GarySpFC (#287) (Edited)

A report written in 2004 - well past its sell date using debunked info. The pathetic people like you who supported the Iraq war over WMD have blood on their hands. May Jesus consign you soul to burn in the afterlife.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   23:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: GarySpFC (#285)

Apparently you did not see the post Redleghunter made. Also, I have been associated with the SF community for over 50 years as active, reserve, and association member. Don't you think I might have slightly more information than you? Naturally, Bush would deny there were WMD.

Do the Russians now consider you a spy - especially since you claim to visit Russia a lot back in the Yeltsin days under the guise of religious missions?

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-01   23:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc (#230)

All SF from each service are under USSOCOM a joint command. SEALS are best used for deep blue, littoral and coastal special operations. Not the mountains of Afghanistan. There are great purposes for them. Best they all stay under the joint command and not one service. We don't fight that way. We fight by geographical combatant commanders and the service chiefs are force providers through MACOMS. SOCOM operates in each geographical COCOM. After Anaconda the lines of operation were made clear that SOCOM elements in a COCOM report to that 4 star.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   23:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: sneakypete (#262)

Yes even when I was a 2LT we still learned the Vietnam style final protective fire FPF technique.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   23:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: Pericles (#289)

A report written in 2004 - well past its sell date using debunked info. The pathetic people like you who supported the Iraq war over WMD have blood on their hands. May Jesus consign you soul to burn in the afterlife.

The report refers to nuclear WMD development in Iraq years prior to the invasion, which clearly proves Saddam was developing them.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-01   23:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: Otter (#275)

You were there as an observer?

There were those human shields Saddam had back then:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_action_to_Iraq

Wonder what happened to them.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-01   23:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: Pericles (#290)

Do the Russians now consider you a spy - especially since you claim to visit Russia a lot back in the Yeltsin days under the guise of religious missions?

You are obviously confused. Yeltsin left office in 1999, and my first vist to Russia was in 2000.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-01   23:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: GarySpFC (#285) (Edited)

Apparently you did not see the post Redleghunter made. Also, I have been associated with the SF community for over 50 years as active, reserve, and association member. Don't you think I might have slightly more information than you? Naturally, Bush would deny there were WMD.

Redleghunter. "I personally know two senior officers watching a SF drone and satellite feed from ARCENT HQs a few weeks before OIF kicked off. The vehicles and payload left no room for interpretation from their observations and of the A Team with eyes on. However requests to NCA to do something to halt and exploit the convoy were denied. So yes, GWB is at fault for not snagging the smoking gun and possibly avoiding a protracted war."

And the question still dangles out there...Why?

Why after all that effort to get teams in there the stand down order given?

You just don't send in your best SF teams behind enemy lines to collect on nothing.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-02   0:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: GarySpFC (#293)

The report refers to nuclear WMD development in Iraq years prior to the invasion, which clearly proves Saddam was developing them.

at the time of the invasion the WMD UN inspectors said there was no longer any WMD program in operation.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-02   0:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: redleghunter (#296)

Why after all that effort to get teams in there the stand down order given?

I believe Bush was afraid of a conflict with the Russians.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-02   0:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: GarySpFC (#298)

The Russian twist I have to admit is new to me. I did know Russian operatives out of their embassy in Baghdad were sharing some technology to Saddam to combat our bombers.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools " (Romans 1:21-22)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-02-02   0:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Pericles (#297)

at the time of the invasion the WMD UN inspectors said there was no longer any WMD program in operation.

There are always some who because of their worldview will blind themselves to reality.

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-02   0:40:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: redleghunter (#299)

The Russian twist I have to admit is new to me. I did know Russian operatives out of their embassy in Baghdad were sharing some technology to Saddam to combat our bombers.

The convoy was lead by the Russians

Whether or not sensitive weapons technology was moved to Syria is a hotly disputed question in the intelligence community. James Clapper, now the Director of National Intelligence and formerly the director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, said in 2003 that he believed materials had been moved out of Iraq in the months before the war and cited satellite imagery.
If the Bashar al-Assad regime falls, and should the securing of the chemical and biological stockpiles of Syria be necessary, what would be the effect if some of those materials and munitions bear Iraqi markings?
Former Iraqi General Sada asserted that Saddam’s chemical stockpile was lifted, in his book “Saddam’s Secrets” and summarized by Investor’s Business Daily:
As Sada told the New York Sun, two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, and special Republican Guard units loaded the planes with chemical weapons materials.
There were 56 flights disguised as a relief effort after a 2002 Syrian dam collapse. The IBD article also mentions Israeli General Yaalon’s assertions, and those of John Shaw regarding Russian assistance in the form of former KGB General Primakov:
There were also truck convoys into Syria. Sada’s comments came more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.”
Both Israeli and U.S. intelligence observed large truck convoys leaving Iraq and entering Syria in the weeks and months before Operation Iraqi Freedom, John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, told a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts held in Arlington, Va., in 2006.
According to Shaw, ex-Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, a KGB general with long- standing ties to Saddam, went to Iraq in December 2002 and stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Anticipating the invasion, his job was to supervise the removal of such weapons and erase as much evidence of Russian involvement as possible.
An interesting statement from Brian Sayers, the director of government relations for the Syria Support Group:

“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-02-02   0:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: GarySpFC (#301)

pjmedia.com/blog/satellit...to-syria/?singlepage=true

Otter  posted on  2015-02-02   1:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: GarySpFC (#301)

Whether or not sensitive weapons technology was moved to Syria is a hotly disputed question in the intelligence community.

Not.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-02   1:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Otter (#302)

Ryan Mauro is the national security analyst of RadicalIslam.org, the founder of WorldThreats.com and a frequent guest on Fox News Channel.

FOX trumped up news guest. PJ Media LOL!

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-02   1:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: Pericles (#304)

You're chatting with yukon. Just thought you should know.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-02   1:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: Pericles (#304)

FOX trumped up news guest. PJ Media LOL!

What isn't true?

Otter  posted on  2015-02-02   1:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Fred Mertz (#305)

You're chatting with yukon. Just thought you should know.

Gross.

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-02   2:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: GarySpFC (#301) (Edited)

Why can't you admit what Bush admitted? That Iraq had no active WMD program that justified an invasion and occupation? - what guilt do you feel inside you? Ashamed you were fooled?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-ClS5uwNo

FLASHBACK: Bush admits Iraq had no WMDs & had nothing to do with 9/11 (actually he is all over the place in trying to rationalize a reason).

Pericles  posted on  2015-02-02   2:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: GarySpFC (#266)

That said, Saddam did have WMD, which were sent by a Russian escorted convey to Syria. SF confirmed everything, but Bush failed to take action. Powell failed to tell the truth.

Skipping past any merits to your assertion, can you just explain why Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell would take such a black eye in the historical record and with their public reputations by suppressing that Saddam had major WMD?

It sounds like some variety of magical thinking to me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-02   4:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: sneakypete (#267)

He didn't kill bin Laden. A bin Laden double was who was killed. That's why the autopsy at sea and the quick burial at sea. I'm guessing there were no organs or blood samples saved that DNA can be taken from,either.

I'm more inclined to think they didn't kill him but captured him and are still pumping him for info in some hellhole CIA lab hosted by our more loathsome allies like Poland.

But Bammy is so opposed to capture that they may have just killed him deliberately and dumped the body as they said. Obama is quite the ideologue on this stuff, full of not-on-my-watch indignation and self-righteousness.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-02   4:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: Pericles, GarySpFc (#279)

06 Thursday, February 20, 2003 -- LONDON - Three giant cargo ships that have been cruising in the Indian Ocean since last November have alarmed intelligence agencies which suspect they are carrying Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, according to a report published here on Wednesday.

Closer to tramp freighters than "giant cargo ships".

Another embarrassingly stupid chapter of the Saddam/WMD fiasco and the tragedy of Iraq's destruction for the sake of Bush's and Cheney's lies and their grossly uninformed actions that have destabilized the entire region.

Remember the personal parachute kits sold to people working in skyscrapers? You suppose they all got sold off on eBay or are they in some office manager's closet collecting dust now.

How about the guy outside NYC who sealed his entire house in a giant bag made of plastic sheeting and duct tape? That was during the Great Duct Tape Panic.

And who can forget Saddam's Model Airplanes Carrying Anthrax And Nerve Agents? He was going to fly these tiny planes under GPS/computer navigation to America to hit us with anthrax and nerve gas supposedly. When his drone facility was captured, it was revealed the Iraqis couldn't master getting one to fly for 400 miles, by far their best effort prior to us shutting down the mini-drone program.

A lot of people don't seem to recall just how many lies were peddled to the public and that it could not possibly have been an error or excesses of mobilization. Or anything other than a deliberate effort to stampede the American public into invading Iraq which destabilized the entire Mideast with the results we see today.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-02   4:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: TooConservative (#240)

Expert? LOL. It's just called a hunch.

He's as obvious as a $3 bill.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-02-02   7:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: CZ82 (#312)

He's as obvious as a $3 bill.

I have to be hit over the head with a LOLAYDA before I can get a clue.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-02-02   8:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: redleghunter (#296)

And the question still dangles out there...Why?

Because short wars result in a quick loss of public political support when they end,and because short wars result in the loss of union jobs in defense industries,and a loss of dividends for stock holders.

You didn't REALLY think the prime reason we supply every country in the world that wants them with military supplies had anything to do with strategic partnerships,did you?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-02   10:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: TooConservative (#310)

I'm more inclined to think they didn't kill him but captured him and are still pumping him for info

I doubt any of us will live long enough to know for sure.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-02-02   10:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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