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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
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Views: 80219
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#5. To: Gatlin (#0)

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

The victims of both probably felt about the same about being murdered by them.

Kyle was much braver though in that he had a lot of courage to get into position to take his shots. So Kyle's victims could take pride in a much braver and more professional murder. Otherwise, dead is still dead. Killed helplessly against hopeless odds (a sniper at a distance or a gunman in an elementary classroom) is still getting killed helplessly.

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TooConservative (#5) (Edited)

This debate is stupid and goes to show Americans were mind frakked over the Iraq war. It also does not help that post war Kyle came off as barely literate - the book of his was ghost written and probably not based on any real life events and was designed as pro Iraq war propaganda for all we know. I actually question the number of kills he did. He could have been chosen because he was not so bright and would not question his role.

Besides the proven lie that he hit Jesse Ventura in a bar fight (which was a fake story to undermine a populist anti-war/Bush persona with a bona fide military pedigree) but Kyle lied about killing carjackers in Texas and that he was flown to New Orleans during Katrina and he sniped gang members from the roof of the astrodome there. All proven lies.

so suddenly this movie comes out that is more fake than the book and this re-ignites the old debate about the Bush justified war in Iraq vs those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all.

Pericles  posted on  2015-01-31   22:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pericles (#43)

those who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all

I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura Referring to Kyle. Sounds like more Jesse BS to me.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   22:54:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Otter (#44)

hose who knew the was was BS and Kyle stands for the BS of it all

I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura Referring to Kyle. Sounds like more Jesse BS to me.

Ventura sued Kyle's estate and the court found Kyle lied to a great degree and Ventura was awarded almost $2 million. So, no, Kyle is a proven liar in a court of law.

Pericles  posted on  2015-01-31   23:28:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pericles (#48)

Ventura sued Kyle's estate

Even though Jesse claimed he didn't know Kyle. I guess Jesse is a liar also.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   23:36:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Otter (#50) (Edited)

Even though Jesse claimed he didn't know Kyle. I guess Jesse is a liar also.

What do you mean by "know" like he heard of him or he knew him intimately? And how is that relative? I mean find the quote so we can all read it in context.

Kyle lied about killing people in New Orleans in Katrina. He lied about killing carjacking Mexicans in Texans. All these kills covered up by the govt and grateful cops so no evidence can exist.

Pericles  posted on  2015-01-31   23:41:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Pericles (#52)

Kyle lied about killing people in New Orleans in Katrina. He lied about killing carjacking Mexicans in Texans. All these kills covered up by the govt and grateful cops.

Did you get that from Kyle's book? If so, please let me know the page number. Thanks.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-31   23:43:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: redleghunter (#54)

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/Chris-Kyle-Shot-Looters-Carjackers-Punched-Jesse-Ventura.htm#.VM2xXWjF__E

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of- chris-kyle-01?single=1 During the interview in which he discussed the gas station incident, he didn’t say where it happened. Most versions of the story have him in Cleburne, not far from Fort Worth. The Cleburne police chief says that if such an incident did happen, it wasn’t in his town. Every other chief of police along Highway 67 says the same thing. Public information requests produced no police reports, no coroner reports, nothing from the Texas Rangers or the Department of Public Safety. I stopped at every gas station along 67, Business 67 in Cleburne, and 10 miles in either direction. Nobody had heard of anything like that happening.

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#62. To: Pericles (#56)

What we discovered is that an account of the incident was written by best-selling author Marcus Luttrell in his most recent book, Service: A Navy SEAL at War.

Here’s an excerpt from pages 282-283:

On a bitterly cold morning in early January of 2009, the war, in a sense, found Chris again. What happened to him not far from his home outside Dallas never made the news, since the town involved didn’t want the publicity, but the incident certainly would have made national headlines had a reporter ever gotten a tip about it.

Chris was minding his own business, fueling his pickup truck at a gas station, when he found himself at gunpoint. Two men holding pistols demanded his truck. Law enforcement will usually advise you to give in to the criminal in a situation like this. And that’s good advice. But Chris took another route. Very calmly and coolly, he sized up which of the men was handling his pistol more comfortably. He put his hands up and told them he was going to reach into the truck to get his keys. Then his hand went under his coat.

From a waistband holster, he pulled his Colt 1911. Swinging the pistol under his left armpit, he gave each robber two .45 caliber Hydra-Shock hollow- points to the chest. By the time the cops responded to the 911 call from the terrified lady who had locked herself in a car behind Chris’s truck, the matter was settled. Elapsed time: about ten seconds. The service station’s security cameras caught the whole thing.

I pray for anyone whose life gets so desperate that he or she chooses to resort to a life of crime, but it’s hard to resist a little cold laughter all the same: I mean, how unlucky a dumbass do you have to be to target a random guy for felony armed assault and find out he’s killed more people than smallpox?

your link is bad.

Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain- american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html#storylink=cpy

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#64. To: Pericles (#56)

Thanks and very interesting as I never heard of these accounts.

But you have to account for the difference between what is a confirmed mission report in combat that some senior officer has to sign off on and the personal States side accounts of Kyle.

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