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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 80010
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

Future of Freedom Foundation

I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. They has a NAMBLA table set up next to the usual legalize drugs table. That was all I needed to know about the Future of Freedom Foundation.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   16:02:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Palmdale (#1)

I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. They has a NAMBLA table set up next to the usual legalize drugs table. That was all I needed to know about the Future of Freedom Foundation.

I think you're lying.

Prove that Future of Freedom Foundation (a largely comatose organization founded by a libertarian lawyer whose books and videos all come from the late Eighties through the mid-Nineties) has any connection at all with NAMBLA.

A weekly show from FFF and its founder, speaking about Kyle's career.

Examining ‘American Sniper’ from the Libertarian Angle

January 26, 2015

January 26, 2015—I thought we would talk for this week’s edition of The Libertarian Angle about “American Sniper,” the movie that’s breaking all the records at the theaters for attendance. It’s a topics of big conversation in military circles. It’s based on a book by Chris Kyle. Have you seen the movie?

If you know the story, it revolves around Iraq and this American solider who becomes a sniper. He holds a record for the highest number of people killed by sniper in U.S. history. The movie revolves around how heroic he is and what he does to protect our country, killing the bad guys and so forth.

Of course, what the movie ignores in all of this is the fact that the people of Iraq and the government of Iraq had never attacked the United States. This was a sheer war of aggression, a type of war crime that was built up at Nuremberg and people were prosecuting for it. And the idea behind that war crime was that, look, when somebody starts a war, we’re going to punish them for doing this because they’re killing people unlawfully.

As libertarians, I think we’ve always held that a nation has a right to defend itself from an illegal invasion—aggression by a foreign country. So here you have a situation where the United States is the aggressor and it’s killing people whose government never attacked the United States, never even threatened the United States. I think that is an important point to recognize here.

Now, as Chris Kyle is coming back to the United States and he’s dealing with his wife and his children, and he keeps going back for four tours, it’s clear that he’s getting all screwed up in the head. His marriage is disintegrating and the guy is going off a little bonkers, as many of the guys did who went to Iraq. The idea is that it’s always PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), that it’s just the stresses of war and so forth. But very few people are honing in on that what’s really going on here is guilt.

I don’t see how a person who has a conscience can go in there and just kill people indiscriminately for nothing worse than defending their country against an aggressor. how can that not affect a person?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   17:06:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#6)

I think you're lying.

So what? You're a fanatic with an oxymoronic handle.

I remember that the NAMBLA representative manning the table at the Future of Freedom Confrence was asked by one of the Libertarian attendees at the event how someone could get consent (consent is the favorite rationalization Libertarians use to justify sodomy and various other perversions) from a child. The perv answered that if the child cooed, that meant consent. At that same conference, a prostitute named Norma Jean Almodovar was one of the speakers.

BTW, the Libertarian Party you so admire has opposed age of consent laws and has demanded that undearaged children be able to claim all the rights of adults by declaring their independence from their parents or guardians.

I think you're in favor of that. Aren't ya?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   18:44:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Palmdale (#17)

I remember that the NAMBLA representative manning the table at the Future of Freedom Confrence was asked by one of the Libertarian attendees at the event how someone could get consent (consent is the favorite rationalization Libertarians use to justify sodomy and various other perversions) from a child. The perv answered that if the child cooed, that meant consent.

I say you're lying. Prove it.

BTW, the Libertarian Party you so admire has opposed age of consent laws and has demanded that undearaged children be able to claim all the rights of adults by declaring their independence from their parents or guardians. I think you're in favor of that. Aren't ya?

Nope. And I am not a Libertarian for many reasons.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:48:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#19)

And I am not a Libertarian for many reasons.

I say you're lying. Prove it.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   18:50:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Palmdale (#21)

I say you're lying. Prove it.

I'm posting on an anonymous forum. OTOH, you are making statements of fact about an advertised large public event by a well-known political institute.

I take it that you are (weakly) conceding that you made the whole thing up and are mostly angry that someone saw through your lies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#23) (Edited)

I take it that you are (weakly) conceding that you made the whole thing up

Nope. And I still say you're a liar. Right down to your handle.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   19:06:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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