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Title: 'American Sniper': Prominent Libertarian Claims There Is No Difference Between Chris Kyle and Mass Murderer Adam Lanza
Source: http://www.hngn.com/
URL Source: http://www.hngn.com/articles/65352/ ... ce-between-chris-kyle-mass.htm
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: ida Ahmed
Post Date: 2015-01-31 15:56:37 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 79805
Comments: 315

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

Lanza isn't much different from Kyle, a Navy SEAL sniper who killed 160 people during multiple combat tours in Iraq, Sheldon Richman, vice president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, said on Wednesday. Two years ago, Lanza shot his mother to death, then proceeded to a nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School and killed 20 first-graders and six staffers before committing suicide.

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

"Despite what some people think, hero is not a synonym for competent government-hired killer," he added.

Speaking about the widely debated Clint Eastwood's movie, Richman slammed Kyle's actions, Breitbart reported.

"Let's recall some facts, which perhaps Eastwood thought were too obvious to need mention: Kyle was part of an invasion force: Americans went to Iraq. Iraq did not invade America or attack Americans. Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

"Wars of aggression, let's remember, are illegal under international law. Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for waging wars of aggression."

"The only reason Kyle went to Iraq was that Bush/Cheney & Co. launched a war of aggression against the Iraqi people," he wrote.

The deceased sniper cannot be deemed a hero because the American military personnel's lives that he was protecting  were the aggressors themselves, according to Richman, Newsmax reported.

"What American lives? The lives of American military personnel who invaded another people's country, one that was no threat to them or their fellow Americans back home."

If "an invader kills someone who is trying to resist the invasion, that does not count as heroic self-defense; the invader is the aggressor. If anyone's the hero, it's the latter," he wrote.

The people who Kyle killed on the battlefield only threatened Americans because "American forces waged an unprovoked war against them," he added. "No Iraqi asked to be killed by Kyle, but it sure looks as though Kyle was asking to be killed by an Iraqi. [Instead, another vet did the job.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

Future of Freedom Foundation

I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. They has a NAMBLA table set up next to the usual legalize drugs table. That was all I needed to know about the Future of Freedom Foundation.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   16:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   16:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#0)

Dictator Saddam Hussein never even threatened to attack Americans," he continued. "Contrary to what the George W. Bush administration suggested, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Before Americans invaded Iraq, Al Qaeda was not there. Nor was it in Syria, Yemen, and Libya."

True.

rlk  posted on  2015-01-31   16:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Otter, palmdale, gatlin, etc... anti-libertarian crazies? (#2) (Edited)

Future of Freedom Foundation ---- I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. ---- Palmdale

Gatlin ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane. ---- Otter

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

From Cato: --- libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37402

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   16:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#0)

A prominent libertarian activist has made controversial comparisons between the late "American Sniper" protagonist Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and mass murderer Adam Lanza, who killed 28 people in a 2012 shooting spree.

The victims of both probably felt about the same about being murdered by them.

Kyle was much braver though in that he had a lot of courage to get into position to take his shots. So Kyle's victims could take pride in a much braver and more professional murder. Otherwise, dead is still dead. Killed helplessly against hopeless odds (a sniper at a distance or a gunman in an elementary classroom) is still getting killed helplessly.

But how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? About as sporting as shooting a deer with a scoped rifle. Or shooting fish in a barrel. Or shooting 3rd graders at their school desks.

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   16:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Palmdale (#1)

I got dragged to one of their conferences years ago. They has a NAMBLA table set up next to the usual legalize drugs table. That was all I needed to know about the Future of Freedom Foundation.

I think you're lying.

Prove that Future of Freedom Foundation (a largely comatose organization founded by a libertarian lawyer whose books and videos all come from the late Eighties through the mid-Nineties) has any connection at all with NAMBLA.

A weekly show from FFF and its founder, speaking about Kyle's career.

Examining ‘American Sniper’ from the Libertarian Angle

January 26, 2015

January 26, 2015—I thought we would talk for this week’s edition of The Libertarian Angle about “American Sniper,” the movie that’s breaking all the records at the theaters for attendance. It’s a topics of big conversation in military circles. It’s based on a book by Chris Kyle. Have you seen the movie?

If you know the story, it revolves around Iraq and this American solider who becomes a sniper. He holds a record for the highest number of people killed by sniper in U.S. history. The movie revolves around how heroic he is and what he does to protect our country, killing the bad guys and so forth.

Of course, what the movie ignores in all of this is the fact that the people of Iraq and the government of Iraq had never attacked the United States. This was a sheer war of aggression, a type of war crime that was built up at Nuremberg and people were prosecuting for it. And the idea behind that war crime was that, look, when somebody starts a war, we’re going to punish them for doing this because they’re killing people unlawfully.

As libertarians, I think we’ve always held that a nation has a right to defend itself from an illegal invasion—aggression by a foreign country. So here you have a situation where the United States is the aggressor and it’s killing people whose government never attacked the United States, never even threatened the United States. I think that is an important point to recognize here.

Now, as Chris Kyle is coming back to the United States and he’s dealing with his wife and his children, and he keeps going back for four tours, it’s clear that he’s getting all screwed up in the head. His marriage is disintegrating and the guy is going off a little bonkers, as many of the guys did who went to Iraq. The idea is that it’s always PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), that it’s just the stresses of war and so forth. But very few people are honing in on that what’s really going on here is guilt.

I don’t see how a person who has a conscience can go in there and just kill people indiscriminately for nothing worse than defending their country against an aggressor. how can that not affect a person?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   17:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

--- how brave is it to shoot people at a distance? ----

I think this has become a Left/Right pissing match which explains how the controversy keeps going. The rest of the country is sanely trying to ignore it.

Yep, the lefties on this site are busily trying to make it a divisive issue.

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution. Have you served?

If you have, you too share in the killing of men from a distance.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   17:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tpaine (#4)

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

Are you claiming that Kyle used or supported police state tactics?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   17:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Otter, Y'ALL (#8)

gatlin ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Libertarians aren't known for their high IQs. Apparently some are borderline insane. ---- Otter

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

From Cato: --- libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37402

Are you claiming that Kyle used or supported police state tactics?

Read much? And you claim that libertarians are crazy?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   17:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#9)

Read much?

Yes. Why don't you write sanely and intelligently?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   18:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#7)

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution.

But killing people from a distance with a $50,000 rifle is actually no braver than shooting up a classroom of helpless little kids.

How do you differentiate between these two scenarios of shooting fish in a barrel and knowing they can't shoot back? Because one guy has a uniform and is following the orders of one of our loathsome and cowardly presidents (who don't ever serve in the military either).

BTW, Eastwood says it is an antiwar movie. I take him at his word. What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't. The Left is merely annoyed that the Right is happy about something so they picked a fight over this movie, apparently ignoring Eastwood and adopting the Right's view that it is a pro-war and pro-sniper flick.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Otter (#10)

In writing standard English. If you can't understand it, you're the crazy, not libertarians.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   18:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tpaine (#7)

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war.

I don't see why people are all upset over killing someone at 1,000 yds when you can kill them from thousands of miles away a couple hundred thousand at a time.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-31   18:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine, Otter, Palmdale (#4)

Gatlin ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Gatlin ida Ahmed ----- "Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School.”

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-31   18:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tpaine (#12)

In writing standard English.

So please explain to me in standard English what police state tactics have to do with Chris Kyle or Adam Lanza.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   18:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#11)

What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't.

I'm pro-USA, are you?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   18:40:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#6)

I think you're lying.

So what? You're a fanatic with an oxymoronic handle.

I remember that the NAMBLA representative manning the table at the Future of Freedom Confrence was asked by one of the Libertarian attendees at the event how someone could get consent (consent is the favorite rationalization Libertarians use to justify sodomy and various other perversions) from a child. The perv answered that if the child cooed, that meant consent. At that same conference, a prostitute named Norma Jean Almodovar was one of the speakers.

BTW, the Libertarian Party you so admire has opposed age of consent laws and has demanded that undearaged children be able to claim all the rights of adults by declaring their independence from their parents or guardians.

I think you're in favor of that. Aren't ya?

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   18:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#13)

I don't see why people are all upset over killing someone at 1,000 yds when you can kill them from thousands of miles away a couple hundred thousand at a time.

The argument is over whether it is a heroic act, whether it is an example of warrior courage in the face of personal danger.

There is a subtext of Iraq being a phony war, at least with the Left. That is the ax they are trying to grind.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Palmdale (#17)

I remember that the NAMBLA representative manning the table at the Future of Freedom Confrence was asked by one of the Libertarian attendees at the event how someone could get consent (consent is the favorite rationalization Libertarians use to justify sodomy and various other perversions) from a child. The perv answered that if the child cooed, that meant consent.

I say you're lying. Prove it.

BTW, the Libertarian Party you so admire has opposed age of consent laws and has demanded that undearaged children be able to claim all the rights of adults by declaring their independence from their parents or guardians. I think you're in favor of that. Aren't ya?

Nope. And I am not a Libertarian for many reasons.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#14)

"Excuse me, but I have trouble seeing an essential difference between what Kyle did in Iraq and what Adam Lanza did at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It certainly was not heroism," Richman wrote in an op-ed published on the Future of Freedom Foundation website and reprinted by Reason.com.

Oxymoron: Reason and Libertarian

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   18:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#19)

And I am not a Libertarian for many reasons.

I say you're lying. Prove it.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   18:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Otter (#16)

I'm pro-USA, are you?

Sure. Except when I'm not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Palmdale (#21)

I say you're lying. Prove it.

I'm posting on an anonymous forum. OTOH, you are making statements of fact about an advertised large public event by a well-known political institute.

I take it that you are (weakly) conceding that you made the whole thing up and are mostly angry that someone saw through your lies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   18:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Otter (#15)

So please explain to me in standard English what police state tactics have to do with Chris Kyle or Adam Lanza.

He's talking about infiltrator types who pose as Libertarians in order to discredit them. An old sleazy political tactic that works more often than you think. Part of the bag of tricks of character assassins for a long time.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#23) (Edited)

I take it that you are (weakly) conceding that you made the whole thing up

Nope. And I still say you're a liar. Right down to your handle.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   19:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#11)

Yep, the lefties on this site are busily trying to make it a divisive issue.

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution. Have you served?

If you have, you too share in the killing of men from a distance.

But killing people from a distance with a $50,000 rifle is actually no braver than shooting up a classroom of helpless little kids.

To compare men doing their duty in war, -- with a crazy murderer of children is an act of total zealotry.

How do you differentiate between these two scenarios of shooting fish in a barrel and knowing they can't shoot back?

How weird that you don't know of the use of counter snipers in war. If memory serves, military snipers have a very high casualty rate.

Because one guy has a uniform and is following the orders of one of our loathsome and cowardly presidents (who don't ever serve in the military either). ---- BTW, Eastwood says it is an antiwar movie. I take him at his word. What we see instead is the Right embracing it as a totally pro-war and pro-sniper movie which Eastwood says it isn't. The Left is merely annoyed that tokhe Right is happy about something so they picked a fight over this movie, apparently ignoring Eastwood and adopting the Right's view that it is a pro-war and pro- sniper flick.

So? I don't quite understand your zealotry about the issue. Can you explain your over reaction?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   19:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#0)

fff.org/explore-freedom/a...migration-bill-overlooks/

Sheldon Richman is mentioned in the 2nd paragraph.

He's another libertarian who supports Obama's open border policy.

First, by nature all individuals — not just Americans — have rights. Specifically, they have a natural right to engage in any peaceful activity, that is, any conduct that does not aggress against other people. Among those rights, therefore, is the right to travel and settle anywhere, so long as no one else’s rights are violated. Considering that plenty of Americans would eagerly rent apartments to and hire, say, Mexicans, migration is included among the freedoms all people possess.

Second, and closely related, an ancient and honorable principle holds that an unjust law is no law at all (lex iniusta non est lex). The idea is that no one should be compelled to do what is unjust or be prevented from doing what justice requires or allows — such as freely moving about. Conservatives and progressives alike are vexed that the 11 million U.S. residents without papers violated the law to get here. How dare they! But according to the ancient principle, what they violated was a not a law but a mere legislative decree, which conflicts with the natural law and hence is contrary to justice and freedom. It is an established maxim that no one is obligated to obey an unjust law. Since that’s the case, we should not be talking about amnesty for residents without papers; amnesty implies wrongdoing, and these human beings did nothing wrong. They should be left free to go about their lives. Incidentally, there also should be no amnesty for the government officials who have harassed residents without papers rather than leaving them in peace. “I was following orders” is no excuse.

Vinny  posted on  2015-01-31   19:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#18)

The argument is over whether it is a heroic act, whether it is an example of warrior courage in the face of personal danger.

Carlos Hathcock, Vietnam era American sniper go to the 20:00 mark and watch the mission where he nailed a General.

http://www.history.com/shows/history-specials/videos/sniper-deadliest-missions

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-01-31   19:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#24)

He's talking about infiltrator types who pose as Libertarians in order to discredit them. An old sleazy political tactic that works more often than you think. Part of the bag of tricks of character assassins for a long time.

Obviously he is incapable of expressing himself in standard English. Who knows, maybe he is just young, foolish and uninformed.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   19:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Otter (#29)

maybe he is just young, foolish and uninformed.

Two out of three.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-31   19:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tpaine (#26)

And killing people from a distance has always been a big part of war. Brave men have been defending this country, in exactly that way, since the Revolution. Have you served?

If you have, you too share in the killing of men from a distance.

Are you actually quoting yourself? Repetition doesn't improve the merits of these non-sequiturs.

To compare men doing their duty in war, -- with a crazy murderer of children is an act of total zealotry.

No, it's not. You are shooting helpless people who can't defend themselves, who never even know you shot at them until your bullet kills them. How can that be an act of bravery? By that standard, yes, Adam Lanza would be brave. By that standard, the Tsarnaev brothers were brave.

There is also a shifting standard as to what constitutes a sniper. In WW II, snipers were behind enemy lines, taking long shots and escaping, mostly targeting high-ranking officers if they could.

In the modern military, you have varieties of snipers. Snipers that shoot from aircraft, snipers that shoot from rooftops in urban warfare. And also snipers who still take the traditional long shots at high-value enemy soldiers. More often, you have what are called sniper-scouts who enter a battlefield early and provide intel and laser targeting and prep work for regular infantry to arrive and then help protect them as they go house-to-house.

So "sniper" can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. When I say "sniper", I am generally referring to the classic sniper, not the modern versions that have a lot of other roles in the military.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Otter (#15)

Many anti-libertarians disguise their true politics and call themselves libertarians, in order to denigrate the american libertarian movement as defined by the Cato Institute.

In actuality, these crazed anti-libertarians are also anti-constitutionalists who support police state type tactics.

So please explain to me in standard English what police state tactics have to do with Chris Kyle or Adam Lanza.

You crazy anti-libertarians should explain that to all of us american libertarians who fight against a police state. Can you tell us why you support them?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-31   19:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tpaine, Otter (#32)

I think Otter is just caught in the crossfire. He's not on any particular side.

After all, he's only been a member here at LF since yesterday.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tpaine (#32)

If there truly were a police state, Adam Lanza would never have had an opportunity to slaughter innocent children, would he? You are uninformed and a fool.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   19:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#33)

I think Otter is just caught in the crossfire. He's not on any particular side.

I'm on the side of common sense, law and order. Is there something about that you find distasteful or objectionable?

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   19:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Otter (#35)

I'm on the side of common sense

Fighting words if I've ever heard them.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Otter (#34)

If there truly were a police state, Adam Lanza would never have had an opportunity to slaughter innocent children, would he?

He could have become an abortion doctor and been well-paid for infanticide.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TooConservative (#36)

Fighting words if I've ever heard them. : )

To many on internet forums that seems to be true.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   19:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Otter (#38)

They're mostly just chat sites after all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-31   19:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TooConservative (#39)

They're mostly just chat sites after all.

Yes, but too many posters post and act as if they know it all. Wouldn't you agree? Opinions are like a$$holes, most everyone has one, but some don't believe theirs stinks.

Otter  posted on  2015-01-31   19:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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