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Title: Man Faces Jail After Not Paying Child Support For a Child He’s Proven is Not His
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Free Thought Project/WXYZ
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ma ... il-paying-child-support-child/
Published: Jan 26, 2015
Author: John Vibes
Post Date: 2015-01-26 09:02:50 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4002
Comments: 24
Detroit, Michigan – man named Carnell Alexander from Detroit is facing jail time because he didn’t pay child support for a child that isn’t his. According to news outlet WXYZ, Alexander has DNA tests which prove that he is not the parent of the child. However, since the mother filled out his name on welfare paperwork, the state says that he is the father of the child in their records and that he owes $30,000 in back child support. “I’m almost homeless. I’m almost in jail. I am out of work, my money is being threatened to be taken. We can be defaulted into being a father of a child that is not ours. I don’t understand that law, but it is the law in place,” Alexander said. In one positive twist to the story, Michigan attorney Cherika Harris found out about Alexander’s case on the news, and has offered her legal services to help give him a better chance at freedom. “I’m just trying to help him with his future,” Harris told reporters. At Alexander’s most recent court date last Friday, he was threatened with jail time, but was not taken into custody. The judge said that his case was still open, and that he would be facing prison if he did not pay the amount that he has been ordered to. For now he is free, but he still has the threat of jail hanging over him until he is able to come up with the money that the government says he owes.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
You should know by know how things are in a Leftard world, it just isn't FAIR if someone else aint gonna foot the bill!
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
What's wrong with the judge? Can't he read the DNA tests? Probably an affirmative action appointment. Main thing is, they want the money, and the real father probably cannot be found, or has no money. This guy does. Wonder how mommy got his name? Out of a phone book?
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I hope he sues in Federal Court and is awarded a huge judgment. Serves Detroit right!
I think bill collectors do that cause I get phone calls from them all the time wanting money from people who have a name similar to mine, I always tell them to phuck off.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
"This is a case that started in the late eighties. An ex-girlfriend of Carnell’s had a baby. She needed help providing for the child. She was told that in order to get welfare she had to name a dad on paperwork. She put down Carnell’s name. The state then started a paternity case against Carnell to collect money for the assistance provided." My question is this, did this fellow receive, use and spend, tax funded welfare checks based on the false reporting that was the father, to get welfare? If so, he owes the state money he received... if he can't pay it, he should rot in jail.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yep. He was arrested and taken to jail for failing to pay $60,000 in child support. But after looking at the case, a judge agreed to erase the back child support owed to the ex-girlfriend, but did not erase the debt owed to the state. The debt owed to the state is more than $30,000 for welfare benefits received over the years. He was apparently was living with his ex-girlfriend while the state was paying welfare benefits to her. There is always MORE to the story than Deckard wants known.
I first smelled DEAD BEAT welfare slime. By odds, why not. I'm getting screwed by my lazy welfare peers more than my government. I figured this was a quest to get funds back from this lazy bum that he didn't deserve... instead of a court not recognizing paternity.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yep. "The judge said he will not go to jail for now. She put the case on hold until next month so Attorney Harris could have a chance to argue that he should not be responsible for the child support bill." Not that facts matter to the hysterics. Detroit man turns himself in after not paying child support for a child that is not his
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
The guy provided a DNA test that proved the child wasn't his. Yet you seem to believe he should jump through more hoops.
Yet you seem to believe he should jump through more hoops. Would you agree that if he got welfare because the government believed the kid was his. Then he spent the money. That he should have to pay it back? I would say yes. If they just said he owed back child support for a kid that wasn't his that he had nothing to do with. Then I would say that is bullshit.
After looking at the case, a judge agreed to erase the back ($60k) child support owed to the ex-girlfriend, but did not erase the debt owed to the state. He owes the state for $30k his girlfriend took from the state while he was living with her.
Which he CLAIMS proved the child wasn't his. The judge scheduled a hearing on his claims for next month. You peed your pants for nothing.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Depends. If he spent it on the kid, no. If he spent it on himself only, yes.
Ok now they just have to figure that out.
I disagree. If he obtained funds fraudulently, then he should pay it all back. So should the deadbeat mommy.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Divvying up the food budget should be interesting.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
What if she signed up and he didn't know. To many questions. Would suck to be him.
Agreed.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
misposted...
--My question is this, did this fellow receive, use and spend, tax funded welfare checks based on the false reporting that was --the father, to get welfare? --If so, he owes the state money he received... if he can't pay it, he should rot in jail. Gatlin: --After looking at the case, a judge agreed to erase the back ($60k) child support owed to the ex-girlfriend, but did not erase --the debt owed to the state. --He owes the state for $30k his girlfriend took from the state while he was living with her. Palmdale: --There is always MORE to the story than Deckard wants known. --Yep. You are right, there is always more to the story, sometimes more than we care to uncover. The story below uncovers more evidence that the state is unyielding in its attempts to squeeze a man for more that is warranted. If all the facts are true and corroborated, some bottom-feeding lawyer will show up to help Mr. Carnell sue Detroit back into the Stone Ages. Yet I suspect there are a few more "discoveries" to be made about this story... "I feel like I’m standing in front of a brick wall with nowhere to go," said Carnell Alexander. He says he learned about the paternity case against him during a traffic stop in Detroit in the early 90s. The officer told him he is a deadbeat dad, there was a warrant out for his arrest. “I knew I didn’t have a child, so I was kind of blown back,” said Alexander. The state said he fathered a child in 1987, and ignored a court order to pay up. It was the first Carnell had heard of the court order. He'd never even met the child. “And when you were telling them in court – that it was not my child?" "They told me it was too late to get a DNA test," said Alexander. It also was not easy to get a DNA test. Alexander didn't know where the woman was that had claimed he fathered a child. He only had an 8th-grade education, off-and-on employment at the time, and no money to hire help. He asked the court for help, but the court couldn't help him in the way he was asking. Friend of the Court employees are not allowed to give legal advice. Alexander explained to the judge and court again and again his situation. He says in hindsight, he didn't understand the formal legal steps necessary to make things right. Eventually he, by chance, ran into someone he knew would know where the woman was, and got a DNA test. It proved what he had been saying all along: the child he had never met was not his. The mother had realized that, and the real father was in the child's life. Alexander took this information to court. The judge was unmoved. “Case closed. I gotta pay for the baby,” said Alexander. The court focused on a summons tied to the paternity case in the late 1980's. The state sent a process server to Alexander’s dad’s house in Highland Park to let him know about the paternity case. The process server turned a document into the court saying Alexander was delivered the summons, but he refused to sign the summons. "I wasn’t there. I couldn’t refuse to sign," said Alexander. RTV6 sister station 7 Action News checked his story with the Michigan Department of Corrections. Their records confirm Alexander's story -- he did not receive that order at a home in Highland Park. He was in prison for a crime he committed as a young man. “I had no knowledge that I had a child support case against me," he says. So why was there a case at all? Carnell's ex had a baby, and didn't know who the father was. She was struggling to care for the child. When she applied for state assistance, the case worker told her she had to name the father. "That was the only way I could get assistance," she told 7 Action News. She said she didn't realize the state would go after the father to pay the support given to the child. “Everything is my fault, that I put him through,” she said. She asked the court to forgive his debt. They forgave the portion of child support allocated for her, but not the other half. Alexander still owes about $30,000 to the state. He has refused to pay, and now is being threatened with legal consequences. 7 Action News spoke to workers at Friend of the Court. They could not talk about Alexander's case specifically. They say many people don't understand how to handle their cases, because it is a court. They recommend people promptly address issues in their cases with the help of an attorney. Alexander says at one point he did hire an attorney, but it did not help him. Taking a look at his case, one attorney says it appears no motion was ever filed to declare that the summons that was not delivered to him is null and void. Alexander could try that. Alexander says the process shouldn't be so bureaucratic and hard to figure out. “We know this is not my child so let’s do what we need to do, what’s right,” said Alexander.
The way you put it. I would definately side with the man. In fact if this is true. I would be tempted to kick the judges ass or worse.
Bzzzzt. Wrong. The judge has scheduled a hearing on his DNA claims for next month.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
I disagree. If he obtained funds fraudulently, then he should pay it all back. It defends how you define fraudulent. If without his presence, the state assistance would have been given because of the child, there is no common sense reason to demand pay back from him. For example if the kid got free school lunch, why should he pay it back? Was a part of the assistance given to him for his own needs? Was a part of the assistance based on a fraud? Or was it declared a fraud retroactively after finding that he is not a biological father?
Was a part of the assistance given to him for his own needs? Was a part of the assistance based on a fraud? Or was it declared a fraud retroactively after finding that he is not a biological father? I have not seen anywhere in any article where the state proved that the man received the funds or where the man refused to pay back funds he admits receiving. Furthermore, I have yet to see a version of the story where the man admits to receiving any of the funds, which is supported by the claims that he was not living with the mother after the child was born. Most, if not all of that articles are simply regurgitating the state's claim that the man "owes" them $$$ because funds were received to support the child. My personal opinion is that the state did not do its diligence in assuring that the absent father claim was accurate. He should not have to defend himself from guilt, the state should have the burden of proof to back up its claim of debt.
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
" Alexander has DNA tests which prove that he is not the parent of the child. "
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
#4. To: Stoner (#2)
Wonder how mommy got his name? Out of a phone book?
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
#6. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#5)
#7. To: Gatlin (#6)
(Edited)
There is always MORE to the story than Deckard wants known.
#8. To: Gatlin (#6)
There is always MORE to the story than Deckard wants known.
#9. To: Palmdale (#8)
"The judge said he will not go to jail for now.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#10. To: Deckard (#9)
The guy provided a DNA test that proved the child wasn't his.
#11. To: Deckard, Palmdale (#9)
The guy provided a DNA test that proved the child wasn't his.
#12. To: Deckard (#9)
The guy provided a DNA test that proved the child wasn't his.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)
if he got welfare because the government believed the kid was his. Then he spent the money. That he should have to pay it back?
#14. To: A Pole (#13)
Depends. If he spent it on the kid, no. If he spent it on himself only, yes.
#15. To: A Pole, A K A Stone (#13)
Depends. If he spent it on the kid, no. If he spent it on himself only, yes.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)
Ok now they just have to figure that out.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#15)
I disagree. If he obtained funds fraudulently, then he should pay it all back. So should the deadbeat mommy.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)
Would suck to be him.
#19. To: Gatlin (#11)
(Edited)
#20. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland, Paldale, A K A Stone, ALL (#11)
GrandIsland:
DETROIT - The State of Michigan is ordering a Detroit man to pay tens of thousands of dollars, or go to prison. The reason? He owes back child support for a child that everyone agrees is not his.
#21. To: TheFireBert (#20)
#22. To: TheFireBert (#20)
The story below uncovers more evidence that the state is unyielding in its attempts to squeeze a man for more that is warranted.
#23. To: GrandIsland (#15)
"Depends. If he spent it on the kid, no. If he spent it on himself only, yes."
#24. To: A Pole, GrandIsland (#23)
It depends how you define fraudulent. If without his presence, the state assistance would have been given because of the child, there is no common sense reason to demand pay back from him. For example if the kid got free school lunch, why should he pay it back?
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