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Title: Anti-Cop Activist Pastor Trains With Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office
Source: Fox 10
URL Source: http://www.westernjournalism.com/an ... ffs-office/#RZt9gPOwtFeGjygF.9
Published: Jan 24, 2015
Author: James Beattie
Post Date: 2015-01-24 12:43:17 by GrandIsland
Keywords: None
Views: 9643
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#1. To: All (#0)

Rev. Jarrett Maupin is a former Democratic congressional candidate who describes himself as a “Progressive Baptist Preacher,” a “Civil Rights Campaigner,” and a “Radical Political Activist” on his Twitter profile. He led a demonstration last month against the Phoenix Police Department after one of their officers shot an unarmed man.

But earlier this week, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office extended an invitation to Maupin to participate in an exercise where he would find himself in three simulated life threatening scenarios police officers could experience while on the job, KSAZ reported.

The first scenario featured a suspect by a vehicle in a parking lot. Maupin permitted the suspect to go behind the vehicle before he reemerged. The suspect discharged his firearm at Maupin, resulting in the civil right’s leader’s ‘death.’ He responded to a verbal disturbance between two males for his next scenario. “What’s going on today gentlemen? What are you doing?,” he asked both men. One of the suspects rushed Maupin, causing him to discharge his firearm at the suspect’s center mass. When KSAZ asked why he did that, he replied, “Hey, he rushed me.” I shot because he was in that zone, I didn’t see him armed, he came clearly to do some harm to my person. It’s hard to make that call; it shakes you up.

The final scenario involved a suspect walking down the street, as KSAZ explains. Maupin is able to get the suspect on the ground, though he is not complying. “I need you to keep your hands up sir, I need you to keep your hands up sir, I need to check that’s in the waistband,” he said. No shots were discharged, though the suspect did have a knife in his waistband. KSAZ’s Troy Hayden performed the scenarios after Maupin without seeing what he did, and the results were the same.

After going through the scenarios, the activist pastor conceded the merits to how officers do their job. “I didn’t understand how important compliance was, but after going through this, yes my attitude has changed – this happens in 10-15 seconds. People need to comply for their own sake,” he said. Maupin thanked the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office on Twitter:

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   14:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

Anti-Cop Preacher Activist Goes Through Police Training...Has Eye-Opening Experience

“I didn’t understand how important compliance was."

A self described “Progressive Baptist Preacher, Civil Rights Campaigner, and Radical Political Activist” had an eye-opening experience when he filled the shoes of police officers and saw what they go through in day-to-day operations.

Reverand Jarrett Maupin, who has been a vocal opponent of law enforcement, most recently leading civil rights protests in Arizona against the killing of Rumain Brisbon, had his mind changed and acquired a much greater respect for police officers after going through three scenarios where he played an officer.

Bearing Arms breaks down the three scenarios.

“In the first scenario, the actor was able to shoot and “kill” Maupin before the the Reverend got his gun out of the holster, even though he’d had his hand on the butt of his gun from the start.

In the second scenario, where Maupin portrayed an officer arriving to break up a confrontation between two unarmed men, on of the two unarmed men started walking aggressively towards him, refusing commands to stop.

As the man continues walking toward him and closes to within feet of him, the civil rights activist who protested police officers for shooting the unarmed Brison, opened fire.

In the third scenario, Maupin was an arresting officer with a suspect on the ground that he was attempting to search, where the suspect refused to give him his hands. Maupin does not shoot. It is later revealed that the suspect has a large knife hidden in his waistband.”

Maupin never understood the importance of listening to officers. He did not understand how most scenarios unfold in seconds and not minutes.

“I didn’t understand how important compliance was,” he said. “But after going through this, yeah, my attitude has changed.”

“This is all unfolding in ten to fifteen seconds… people need to comply with the orders of law enforcement officers for their own safety.

Source.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   14:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   14:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#1)

‘Use of Force’ Training Videos of Phoenix Activist Exposed as Police Propaganda

In an interview with The Free Thought Project, whistleblower cop Alex Salazar gives important insight into this video when he explains,

“These scenarios are designed to make any person fail and to cause them to believe there are no other options. He had no taser, baton or other less than lethal weapons. What about kicking the big guy in the nuts, waiting for backup, or tasering him.

The profession of law enforcement is difficult at times, but the excessive brainwashing on a daily basis taking place, that you may die, is too extreme and gives many the belief it is OK to use deadly force. In many of these situations, Tamir Rice or Andy Lopez comes to mind, these officer’s just wanted to plain shoot and kill.”

Salazar went on to say,

“It’s a brainwashing mechanism to get you over to their side, to start thinking about killing. In what they call the ‘FATS simulator’ (firearms and training simulator), you are automatically designed to DIE… Yes it’s a game and useful for training. But here they put a citizen off the street with no training and a newscaster in pre-designed scenarios, which are psychologically made to make you think and perceive things differently. It has nothing to do with training. Every recruit, I don’t care if they’re an ex-badass Navy Seal… everyone dies.

Think about that for a moment. There is no way to “win,” either you die or you kill. The outcome in these training exercises is always death.

Salazar made clear that the manner in which the entire training session and video was done, shows that it was simply pro-police propaganda and conditioning meant for public consumption.

“YouTube FATS training presented by the Pasadena PD, the officer’s have less than lethal weapons at their disposal. They don’t have to kill the people like the Phoenix channel led people to believe. There are viable alternatives. Numerous years of working undercover in South Central Los Angeles and I only had to use my 9mm once.

Most of the time I would kick the person strategically or pepper spray. There is very rarely a reason to kill, and many police officers go their entire lifetime without having to draw their weapons,” said Salazar.

This entire activity is an exercise in psychological warfare as there are only two possible outcomes in these training activities given the aforementioned factors.

Outcome 1: You shoot and kill the suspect, which then shows how police violence is necessary.

Outcome 2: The suspect ends up killing you, which shows how dangerous the job of law enforcement is.

In either case it is a false dichotomy, meant to facilitate a false sympathy towards law enforcement by showing the job they do in a very misleading light given the major advantages an officer on the beat has vs. a citizen off the street participating in this exercise.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-24   15:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#4) (Edited)

Alex Salazar

Alex Salazar is of course entitled to his opinion.

That has not stopped the story and video that is spreading Maupin's message far and wide.

Maupin's message and the video are receiving a great of attention on the internet with the reposting of his dramatic attuitude adjustment.

Just a few of the many times the story has been reprinted are shown here

I take my hat off to the civil rights activist Reverend Jarrett Maupin for accepting the Sheriff’s office invitation to participate in the shoot/don’t shoot simulation.

After completing the program, he said: “I didn’t understand how important compliance was… people need to comply with the orders of law enforcement officers, for their own safety.”

You can bet the Reverend will now spread the word to his flock.

I think De Blasio and Sharpton should take the course as well.

You da man....Reverend Jarrett Maupin!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   16:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#5)

You can bet the Reverend will now spread the word to his flock.

As a paid shill for the police state.

Propaganda works on the weak minded.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-24   17:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#5)

Alex Salazar is of course entitled to his opinion.

Alex is a cop.

I'd say in a situation like this, he knows what he is talking about.

Why is it that you only believe the "bad" cops?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-24   17:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#6)

Propaganda works on the weak minded.

You are living proof of that....Alex Jones' propaganda has successfully worked on your weak mind.

ROTFLMAO....

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   18:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#7)

Alex is a cop.

I'd say in a situation like this, he knows what he is talking about.

Oh, now you believe a cop....when he says something you agree with.

This guy is a cop….believe what he says:

I’m a cop. A few weeks ago, two of my beat partners and I were called to an apartment in a fairly nice complex to help a mother and father with their 16- year-old son.

The son had no criminal history, and by all accounts was a decent kid. But he was having some problems at home — breaking things and making threats with a knife — and the parents needed our help.

When we finally located the son, who is of mixed ethnicity (Dad is white, Mom is Hispanic), he instantly began cussing and yelling at us. He took a fighting stance and said he was not going to do anything we told him.

Luckily, we were able to calm him and get him into handcuffs without any blows being thrown.

We asked why he was so hostile toward us. His response? Ferguson. The cops couldn’t be trusted because of what happened in Ferguson, Mo. He told us that he wanted to kill all white cops because of what “they” had done to Michael Brown.

His parents were mortified by his statements and apologized profusely, telling us that is not how they raised their son.

I live and work more than 1,900 miles west of Ferguson, but the effects of that case are still being felt here. Not a week goes by without someone I encounter mentioning it.

“Ferguson” has become the latest defense for committing crime, often invoked by people we arrest and their loved ones. Sadly, this feeling has not only infected the normal criminal element that I expect that behavior from, but even seems to be affecting middle-class families.

While the effects can be felt far away, the localized effects are far more serious. Last Wed¬nesday, a white officer in St. Louis, Mo., returned fire — in other words, he was shot at first — killing a black male suspect.

Normally, this event would barely garner back-page news, because sadly, it’s no longer newsworthy when a cop gets shot at. But, in the shadow of Ferguson, such an event is national news, and serves as fuel for more protests and vandalism.

According to accounts from Wednesday’s “demonstrations,” the crowd was calling for Police Officer Darren Wilson to be killed.

The same people whom we used to count on for support, the good, law-abiding general public, are now reluctant to trust us. We, the local cops they’ve seen and contacted in the past, haven’t changed. We’ve done nothing different.

What’s changed is the public’s perception of us, created by the reckless reporting by nearly every news outlet very early after the shooting of Michael Brown.

The rush to be first with the story over the desire to be correct is having dire consequences nationwide, and quite honestly has made my job more difficult and more dangerous.

Since the shooting of Mike Brown, and the month-plus-long circus that followed, the number of law enforcement officers being shot in the line of duty has skyrocketed, but the average citizen has no idea this is happening.

The national media jumps all over a story where an 18-year-old criminal punk, who shot at a cop, is shot and killed. That criminal is made out to be some sort of victim by many outlets. That story is front-page news all over the country.

Did you know that in just three days last week, six cops were shot in the line of duty, one of whom was killed?

Oct. 7, Chicago: One officer, a captain, is shot in the face and chest. Other officers at the scene take fire and are pinned down by the suspect.

Oct. 8, North Las Vegas: An officer is shot during a gunfight with a suspect.

Oct. 8, Phoenix: An officer on a traffic stop is shot in the face. The suspects flee; the officer calls for help. Two other officers arrive and start rendering aid, only to come under fire from the suspects who circled back and attacked the responding officers.

Oct. 8, Oklahoma City: Two officers are shot by a suspect during the same event.

Oct. 9, Midland County, Texas: Sgt. Mike Naylor is shot and killed while responding to a report of a sexual assault.

Where are those stories in the national news?

What does it say about the media who make a victim out of a criminal, and ignore the good guys being injured and killed trying to keep society safe?

People ask me if things are different for cops since Ferguson.

Yes, yes they are.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   18:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#9) (Edited)

Alex is a cop.

I'd say in a situation like this, he knows what he is talking about.

Oh, now you believe a cop....when he says something you agree with.

This guy is also cop….believe what he says:

Advocates from every corner of the political compass have produced a mountain of disinformation about the “militarization” of American law enforcement, especially on the Internet. It’s interesting to read anger-infused blogs and Internet forums calling for the rejection of “militarization” and a return to the “good old days” of policing (like Mayberry’s Andy Griffith). 

Many writers routinely lament that cops were once “peace officers” instead of “law enforcement officers” or “police officers.” In truth, these titles all refer to the same role, and there never has been a functional difference between them. 

If we could ask Wyatt Earp or Bill Hickok whether they kept the peace or enforced the law, they would most likely say the same thing any modern police officer would: “Both.”

Origins of the Argument
The vast majority of claims regarding the “militarization” of American police can be traced to the works of two men: Peter Kraska and Radley Balko

Their writings, and subsequent conclusions about “militarization” of police, are based on cherry-picking of data, a demonstrated willingness to use incomplete source material (such as preliminary or anecdotal reports of police misconduct vs. final court decisions regarding the same incidents), and extensive use of post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning

Their work is rife with confirmation bias and has been used by numerous critics as a foundation upon which to build a large but flimsy body of writings on “militarization” that does not stand up to serious scrutiny. Unfortunately, Kraska and Balko’s work is regularly cited by radicals from both the right and left to support extreme agendas.

The best salesmen of the “militarization” theme write in a way that feeds the grievances and bitterness of readers throughout the political landscape. They provide seemingly solid references to support positions that appear reasonable and logical on the surface. A deeper look at their work usually reveals that they have skillfully combined true stories of legitimately awful incidents with half-truths, innuendo, and generalities to inspire the belief that botched paramilitary raids are business as usual throughout our profession. 

The most vitriolic commentary regarding “militarization” is based on deeply flawed thinking by emotional people who tend to believe everything they read. These are the hardcore believers who cannot be bothered to verify the facts reported by their favorite authors. People who read only those sources they agree with (and the sources those sources agree with) can be easily led down a false intellectual path. That’s how otherwise normal people end up believing with all their heart that their local police officer is an agent of the New World Order, the U.N., or President Obama’s shadowy “National Defense Force.”

Valid Questions Exist
What’s not in dispute is that valid questions exist about the proper role of government and the actions of its enforcers. Such questions have existed since the founding of our country. However, an honest examination of the practical “in-the-field authority” of modern police officers compared to that of the 1950s reveals an incredible contrast. 

Police in the 1950s could — and did — use serious force much more often than modern officers. Searches, seizures, and arrests that were commonplace in the ‘50s would today be thrown out of court and cause the officer to be stripped of his or her license and become the focus of a criminal investigation.  

A review of the available literature reveals a widespread belief that the mere use of protective equipment by police officers signifies a growing police state employing hordes of cops eager to trample on the Constitution. 

The use of specialized equipment and protective gear by firefighters, athletes, and race car drivers is seen as a logical response to potential hazards. The cop who uses a helmet, rifle-rated body armor, and an AR-15 to deal with dangerous criminals is deemed guilty of “overkill.” 

All too often, accusations of “militarization” are based more on perception than facts (how police “look” instead of what they actually do). Many critics never consider that the use of military-inspired technology and equipment has pervaded almost every aspect of American life. If law enforcement has become militarized, then the same is true for trauma medicine, aviation, video games, deer hunting, satellite television, GPS navigation, and those giant SUVs the soccer moms drive.

The last time I checked, my actions as a police officer — including those undertaken while using a helmet, body armor, rifle, and armored vehicle — were still governed by state law, case law, and department policy, all of which were enacted by lawfully elected representatives who were put in place by the citizens of a constitutional republic. 

Those who believe that American law enforcement has become “militarized” should educate themselves about court rulings and laws passed during the past 10 years regarding citizens’ rights to carry firearms in public, use force to protect themselves and their property, and be free from police searches of their homes, vehicles, and persons. 

With very few exceptions, those rights have been and continue to be re- affirmed, reinforced, and expanded by legislation and court decisions. Legal requirements for police departments to be transparent to the public (open records requests and FOIA requests) are more powerful than they have ever been. 

There are more restrictions and mandates controlling the actions of police authorities now than at any time in American history. The sky is not falling.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   18:15:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10)

Alex is a cop.

I'd say in a situation like this, he knows what he is talking about.

Oh, now you believe a cop....when he says something you agree with.

Then this guy is a cop….believe what he says:

Video cameras? Yes please! Give me one. Maybe two or three.

I am absolutely a HUGE proponent of law enforcement using in-car and body mounted cameras. Some ask why I feel so strongly about the subject, and to them I offer the following personal anecdote.

I have personally benefited greatly from the video obtained by a digital video camera, the in-car camera system in my patrol car. A number of years ago, I was involved in an incident where, as I arrived at the scene of a call, I came under fire by a suspect armed with a rifle. I survived the firefight, he did not. Since this incident occurred in a residential suburban neighborhood, at night, there was no one else around. Without my in-car camera, it could have been my word against the word of bereaved family members, who were not present, telling their story of woe and how their lost loved one was a good guy who would never hurt anyone. Sound remotely familiar? Like an incident that happened just weeks ago in St. Louis? Sandwich gun?

There was much more to that story, I have only given the condensed version. The second part of that incident was captured by three different digital video cameras: mine, my cover officer’s and a third camera on a passing public transit bus. While that incident would likely have never reached a Ferguson level, even without video, it was quickly put to rest thanks to all the video evidence. There were no concerns about “faulty memories” or “blurry recollections,” or worse, concerns about lying cops. It was all there, on video, in vivid color. Case closed.

This has happened time and again when allegations of officer misconduct up to and including officer-involved shootings are captured on camera. Very often, the officer’s camera saves the officer’s butt. Recently, a preacher in North Carolina made allegations that an officer had mistreated him during a vehicle stop. The police department responded by releasing video captured by the in-car camera. That video clearly shows the officer being polite and professional. Yet another instance of a camera saving the day.

Law enforcement video cameras, both body cameras and in-car cameras, have been in the news quite a bit lately. When I started my career, the only camera we had available to us as regular patrol cops was a Polaroid instant camera, and if you were lucky, you managed to score some color film for it. Fast forward about five years and I was on the team to evaluate the various options considered for my department’s first in-car camera system. The one we chose was a large, clunky system that recorded on VHS tapes, but it worked.

The problem with that first system, other than the difficulty of storing the video tapes, was not a problem with the system itself, but rather in getting the cops to accept it. The big brother rumors were flying like crazy. Many of the “OG” cops were adamantly opposed to them, initially. Slowly, as the video captured by those cameras was shown to help us (the cops) far more than it ever was used to hurt us, even some of the staunchest haters started to change their tune.

Our latest version of the in-car camera system has two digital HD cameras that capture a forward view out the windshield and the rear seat of the patrol car. The system is excellent and the video quality is phenomenal. Sadly, only a few cars have so far installed that new system, but they are slowly being phased in.

While the in-car camera has become fairly commonplace and widely accepted in law enforcement, another recent invention, the body camera, has not. A few agencies have deployed them, but right now those are the exceptions to the rule. Expect that to change, very quickly.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-24   18:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#6)

As a paid shill for the police state.

Clergy Response Teams

The government has recruited 26,000 clergy so far to be part of their “Clergy Response Team,” with letters advising pastors to use Romans 13 to brainwash their congregations to obey government authorities. These letters came from Homeland Security.

......


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-24   18:31:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#4)

Think about that for a moment. There is no way to “win,” either you die or you kill.

Now it's starting to sink in. Hundreds of LEO's are faced with a no win situation every year. Every day they suit up, could be that day. They have but seconds to decide... you have eternity to ridicule.

From the safety of your computer.

Think about that for a moment.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-01-25   0:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#13) (Edited)

Hundreds of LEO's are faced with a no win situation every year

Yeah - it figures that you buy into the false dichotomy presented - either kill or be killed, when in fact there are a myriad of options available in between those two extremes.

The sad fact of the matter is that cops are trained to act like solders, not like "peace officers"

With that kind of mindset where the citizens are always seen as the "enemy" and the only goal of cops is to "make it home at the end of the day" it's no wonder that psychopaths who kill innocent civilians are never rarely held accountable.

Add to that the militarization of cops, SWAT raids on petty misdemeanors like unpaid parking tickets, and anyone can see that we are rapidly descending further into a full-fledged police state.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-25   0:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#10) (Edited)

There are more restrictions and mandates controlling the actions of police authorities now than at any time in American history.

Nice disinformation piece - SPLC again?

If law enforcement has become militarized, then the same is true for trauma medicine, aviation, video games, deer hunting, satellite television, and GPS navigation.

Does this police state shill really think anyone other than punitive populists is going to buy this transparent propaganda?

How many trauma units are equipped with MRAP's?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-25   0:26:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#5)

I take my hat off to the civil rights activist Reverend Jarrett Maupin for accepting the Sheriff’s office invitation to participate in the shoot/don’t shoot simulation.

Yep. Not everyone is as impervious to the truth as the Infowarriors and SJWs of the world.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-25   0:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#14)

"Yeah - it figures that you buy into the false dichotomy presented - either kill or be killed, when in fact there are a myriad of options available in between those two extremes."

I didn't have to buy nothing. I lived LE for 20 years and survived it.

The reason I survived is because I treated every call like it could be my last.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-01-25   9:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GrandIsland (#17)

Cop haters side with the scum because they are scum too.

"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-25   9:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GrandIsland (#17) (Edited)

when in fact there are a myriad of options available

Miscreants like Infowarbler and its fans have typically disenfranchised themselves from those options.

Their poor choices and resulting records preclude them from the pursuit of happiness intended by America's founders... and so, predictably, they burn down the village like the Useful Idiots in Fyodor Dostoyevski's "The Possessed".

That predictable nature, of course, is quite profitable to those inve$ted in the systemic game of dialectic sheeple pong.

Maintenance is expensive. (re)construction is where the $$ are. Thus the Useful Idiots play their role in the charade.

Observe the benefit to police powers manifested by Timmy McVeigh's "genius".

VxH  posted on  2015-01-25   9:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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