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Title: What would it take to get Pericles to come here and post.
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Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2015-01-12 20:37:53 by A K A Stone
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I read a few of your posts. Didn't know who you were. I didn't agree with much but you were respectful and sincere. You're welcome here. The more the merrier.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Pericles/Destro/Godwinson
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Here is his farewell in Oct 2011 as Godwinson: libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...cgi?ArtNum=25388&Disp=All He did have a point and he stuck by his principles. He's a likeable guy even if he can't stand much about Amerika.
I know his final response. I was just extending an olive branch. He graciously was willing to give up in order to let the place survive.
Yes, that surprised me. That showed some style.
My thoughts too. The old Destro probably wouldn't have done that. But we can all change hopefully. I passed on your offer to him at LP in private mail. If he doesn't show up here, I'll post to him on a thread. You might state which of his accounts you are unbanning. I think the Pericles name is a good one though. No baggage from the old Destro or Godwinson accounts that way.
Do me a favor and tell meguro his account is open over here if he wants to communicate. mr. magnanimous is benevolent in the new year. Thanks hond-dope!
I never banned him. I'll double check though.
I appreciate it.
I'm not sure why you have to ask meguro over. You know he's only going to try to rape us again.
He was here before. Then Stone banned him. I hope you don't want an echo chamber. Now Stone opened his account again.
Which may be a mistake.
He's not malicious or hateful and he's highly educated.
Which may be a mistake. You have been blessed with the ability to make fine distinctions in running your forum. You have shown that you can decide well between truth and error. Stay the course. Meguro will be make intelligent contributions to your forum.
Stone - be a rock! Sturdy. Solid. Waves of people, some of whom hate each other, are converging here because of the death of Goldi's site. There is excitement and emotion, and very old scabs are being torn off by some. Old fights will come back, for a time. It's no mistake to invite a bunch of people over. It'll be rowdy and awful for awhile, but pretty soon it will settle down. The North-going-Zax and the South-going-Sax will stand there, unbudged in their tracks, face-to-face, but everybody else will move on and get on with talking to each other. You're doing the right thing. The best thing you can do right now as the undead arise, and get the vapors at each other, is let them hack and slash away in zombieland and ignore it. Ignore all of it and steady on. Calm. Straight. And Forward.
That is why I started the Rest In Peace Goldi ping list. It was obvious that there a quite a few ex-LPers here, many of which seem to be bitter and have nothing good to say about LP or Goldi. I wanted to provide something of a quite safe harbor to let the newcommers here, like myself, acclimate to this forum before the exs spew their vitroil and gloating over the passing of LP with Goldi. Little did I expect that Too Conservative to be one of those snakes in the grass. Just goes to show you that nothing should be taken for granted. In any event' if in a few couple of weeks there is no interest in the ping list I will delete it.
I hadn't really tracked what the pretext was for the current cat fight. I just skim over the vitriol and grin and think of the Mr. Roger's theme: "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood…" A ping list, was it? A Disney Princess has wise words for everybody: "Let it go! Let it go!" - Queen Elsa
Are you just trying to get banned?
Are you just trying to get banned? Ah, one of the LF Nazis strikes again, this time at you.
Trying to spread hatred and discontent as you stalk the threads? Reminds me of some Canaries I once knew.
Are you just trying to get banned? Moi? For telling folks who want to fight to just LET IT GO. Why would that get me banned?
Ah. Well I see your: "Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein, lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein, Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein! Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!" And I raise it an: "Allons enfants de la Patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé! Contre nous de la tyrannie l'étendard sanglant est levé!"
And I raise it an: "Allons enfants de la Patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé! Contre nous de la tyrannie l'étendard sanglant est levé!" In english please if you want to dance with me.
Seems that you have already cornered the market on that activity? What is you obession? What are you afraid of?
Why would that get me banned? That's just his way of welcoming you to the forum with open arms? BTW, are really Vicomte13? Are you sure that you are not SOD or yukon or any of the other posters over which he is obessed? Come, fess up. But just don't claim that you are Spartacus because I AM SPARTACUS:)
I see your warning of jackbooted Nazis (symbolized by a German patriotic song of the World Wars era), and raise it a French rebellion (symbolized by the first couple of lines of the Marseillaise). To be literal: The jackboots: "Dear Fatherland, remain calm, dear Fatherland, remain calm, the Watch stands tall and true: the Watch on the Rhine, Stands stall and true the Watch, the Watch on the Rhine!" The rebellious response: "Arise, you children of the Fatherland, the day of glory has arisen! Against us tyranny has raised its bloody flag!" In other words, Nazis schmazis - more wine! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-pgRLfAk5Y
I am absolutely Vicomte13, the one and only XIIIeme Vicomte of an obscure place in Normandy, who was banned from FreeRepublic circa 2005 (?) for criticizing George H.W. Bush, who posted at LibertyPost until yesterday, when I gave my adieu, and who has posted here for some time also. I am in a good mood today and having fun here.
SOSO: "Seems that you have already cornered the market on that activity? What is you obession? What are you afraid of"? We could ask you the same question, SOSO. What are you afraid of? You've asked for your own ping list using Goldi's name so you can trash and slander the members here you hate, and in the same breath, you've accused long standing members here, and those who might come here from LP, of spewing "vitroil and gloating over the passing of LP with Goldi". jmho! What is your obession? What are you afraid of? *********************** SOSO: Rest In Peace Goldi ping list ..."safe harbor to let the newcommers here, like myself, ... before the exs spew their vitroil and gloating over the passing of LP with Goldi".
I answered that question right from the beginning and you immediately proved my fears to be extremely well founded. You were hostile to me from you fisrt post. Best do a reality check, Bro, your pants are on fire.
Thank you for the invite. Because I used AOL for email it seems I am on an introductory member basis - I assume that limited my postings?
Use your sock puppet account, Godwinson.
I'm setting you to full.
Hey Dude!
Actually, Godwinson is the name I used on Freerepublic when Pericles and then Destro were banned.
What up, Fred!
Much obliged and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Happy new year to you too.
Just don't get too smug reading that sweet invite thread. : )
I was going to delay coming here based on just work I am doing and finding time but I am hearing reports of new fighting in Ukraine over that disputed airport.
Godwinson is the name I used on Freerepublic when Pericles and then Destro were banned. You used it here too. I might start a sock puppet decoder ring thread, for all of the aliases used by different people on these forums.
It's the two new unknown sock puppets that you need the ring for. I don't care if people have had multiple IDs as long as they're honest about it. If they're playing games and hiding who they are, you know they're up to no good.
Don't make me play that song to punish your cheeky insouciance.
Calling the different names I used a sockpuppet is a stretch. I never posted simultaneously with two different account names. It is not like the name I pick for an online forum can not change like a SS card or my driver's ID. It is not like these names I use for forums are copyrighted or in any way my real names. I may change my name on forums. But I don't have multiple accounts on each forum playing games or pretending I am a group ganging up on someone or on a topic.
Only a little. I would call them retread accounts if you got banned, like at TOS, and came back under a new handle. Then there are sleepers or zombie accounts, extra IDs for making mischief. I see your point that you were actively posting (and not to disrupt) under each handle in succession. So retread is probably more accurate. I'm not sure that being a retread is that much more dignified than a sockpuppet. These terms get used loosely.
Yes, retread is accurate - same person returning as a different account name and I really never tried to hide it. Sockpuppet is like having a gaggle of fake names who you pretend are different people agreeing with your main current account --- which I have never done.
OK, we're not sock puppets, just retreads. I was Booshbot666 at LP after getting banned as hondo68TTOR. Peace bro.
You mean, other than carefully not telling anyone and pretending you had met everyone for the first time as a new poster. Also, having a bunch of handles at TOS just to go over and harass people like Howlin and OhioWFan so one could get banned over and over for laughs.
Is this the part where the rest of us act surprised? LOL.
Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos battalions! Marchons! Marchons! Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons!
I actually tried to be a retread at TOS. Tried to come back as "Sherriff13". But their system said "NOPE", and that was that. Never tried again.
Just clearing things up, prior to seeking $200M to scare Jeb into quitting. Electability, you betcha!
You didn't clear your cookies or you didn't change your IP address. Obviously, it can be done but you have to follow certain rules.
Wait...are you asking for help in going back to TOS? Or just conversing? To go back, just click the heels of those ruby slippers 3 times and recite, "There's no place like Rome, there's no place...". : ) If you want to go back, I can tell you how. So could any number of people here, in private forum mail if you like. Your problem is that your professional prose style would give you away. You write too well; it's pretty unmistakable. So you might get back there for a while but you'd be found out. And, unlike Goldi, Robinson tolerates no retreads.
To go back, just click the heels of those ruby slippers 3 times and recite, "There's no place like Rome, there's no place...". : ) LOL Your problem is that your professional prose style would give you away. You write too well; it's pretty unmistakable. So you might get back there for a while but you'd be found out. And, unlike Goldi, Robinson tolerates no retreads. This is true. Vic's style is pretty unique. And he's too cerebral for most of TOS. However for a poster to be hit with the charge of "RETREAD!!" (or troll) it would have to be assumed that Vic has made enemies of petty mitpickers there. Have you, Vic? If not, TC has his balloon tethered to Oz on standby to Kansas.
Their loss.
Not true - I stated I remembered A Pole from Freerepublic several times who (I assumed) also knew me as Pericles on there - old hands at the Milosevic posts. I honestly did not really remember your name that well. And I did not know my ID was in contention.
When FreeRepublic cut me off originally, I thought that it was ridiculous and unfair. I'd been posting there for years, and was a conservative Republican. The things I was angry about in H.W. Bush were legitimate. I was stunned when they did it, and found myself with nowhere to communicate in the way that I'd become accustomed. So I tried to get back aboard, including by trying a pseudonym, once. That was in 2005 or so. Once I found LibertyPost, I started posting there. I missed the "wider audience" of FR for a bit, and I still thought they should lift the ban, as it was ridiculous. So I knocked at the front door a few times, in my own name (Vicomte13). They never deigned to respond to anything. With a little more time, I began to perceive that the thing that makes any chat site good is the quality of the posters. I have heard since I was about 8 years old how well I write, and while I never paid any attention to it when I was younger, as I've gotten older I realize that it is true: I write well, and I do so on a wide variety of topics because of the extremely broad education I have had, and the unique set of experiences. Having a strong memory helps also. And so with further reflection I decided that it is people like me, our willingness to spend time posting our well-written and provactive thoughts for free in a wide chat room, that make a site good, and the absence of us that breaks a site. There are a few news wires that print articles every day. It's easy to find the news. It's easy to find people commenting, one way, about the news. It's difficult to find people with whom to actually ENGAGE about the news, and to find those with whom one can engage INTELLIGENTLY, and at length, well, they're as rare as hen's teeth. Bref: FR's banning of me and people like me was FR's loss. Now I have no interest whatever in going back, other than on my own terms, which are simple: open the door back up, unban me, and don't presume to give me any "warning" whatsoever. I was dead right about H.W. Bush. I was just smarter than the moderators and saw it two years before they did. Unban me and do not presume to give me any "warning" at all, consider yourselves lucky that I should deign to return and give my time and talent to a site that has fallen far from its former glory (BECAUSE it banned people like me), and let it go from there. Those are the terms on which I would do FR the favor of returning, under my own name. Otherwise, that game's not worth the candle. LibertysFlame looks to be like a bigger and less cranky expression of LibertyPost, and with Private Mail too. So I think this place will be excellent. The conversations we will have here will make it so, and my excellent (if lengthy) writing will be a material part of that. This is not arrogance, it is realism.
I never really thought about that. Given some of the outrage that folks have expressed at me, the heat of the invective, just for stating my simple (if at times detailed) opinions, I suppose that there are some people whom I make batshit crazy just by opening my mouth. I think these are mostly matters of style. France is America's oldest ally, but a lot of Americans are allergic to things French, and I do write with more than a little garlic.
Well Stated. In addition to realism, it is also truth. Indeed you do. Nice informative post.
I had a different handle there, one that enraged the Bushbots. The mods hated it. LOL. I can't believe they let me post for so long. I bet I'm one of the rare posters there whose posts have been completely eradicated. I don't recall you either but I was a steadfast opponent of our actions in Yugoslavia. I recall in particular that as the early 2000 race developed, both McStain and Dumbya both raced to the microphones to pledge their undying support for Xlinton bombing the Chinese embassy and amputating Kosovo from Serbia and the rest of that idiocy. Stain/Dumbya were reciting all the "political disagreements stop at our shores" nonsense (which the Dims never reciprocate). Morons.
I recall you and I together on many threads about the election campaign of Sarkozy. Often, we were the only ones on those threads and were repelling trolls. I especially recall some threads with detailed comparisons of his campaign ads and posters to Reagan's 1984 Morning In America ads. Sarkozy created that same vibe with beautiful simple pastoral photos of lush French countryside. A brilliant campaign. A sample of your writing on Sarkozy and France at TOS here. And you still think there's a chance in hell that your Ivy League prose style wouldn't be noticed at TOS in short order? ‹/sarcasm› Liberator and I would have a better chance of retreading there despite our poignant and gripping tribute video to TOS and the heroic BobJ.
I don't recall you either but I was a steadfast opponent of our actions in Yugoslavia. I recall in particular that as the early 2000 race developed, both McStain and Dumbya both raced to the microphones to pledge their undying support for Xlinton bombing the Chinese embassy and amputating Kosovo from Serbia and the rest of that idiocy. Stain/Dumbya were reciting all the "political disagreements stop at our shores" nonsense (which the Dims never reciprocate). Morons. I also remember this poster called Hamiltonian who posted on the Yugoslav / Kosovo affair and he actually got contacted by an oil/gas company to refute his allegations in a non refute kind of way (we were speculating that the whole stupid war was really fought in part to control pipeline routings into Europe). There was a Milosevic web forum (I am not kidding) where when I signe dup I was literally called a saint for my work on Freerepublic by Serbian posters. That actually touched me. I stopped posting after Milosevic was murdered by - I assume - the CIA or affiliated NATO spook org after he threatened to subpenoa Clinton and Blair for his kangaroo court trial which he was winning. He appealed for help from Russia after blood thining meds were found in his system. There was a throw away article done months after that stated Slobo was 'suicidal' and that he probbaly had someone smuggle in medication to make it appear NATO doctors/tribunal doctors were poisoning him because his trial was going badly for him or some such nonsense to close the case.
Certainly some of us still recall these events and the craven manipulation by .gov/media to cover up their machinations and criminality. I wish Marguerite would come over.
A little reminder of the style of Sarkozy's Morning In America (matin en France) posters from, what, 2003? He had some graphics with much more verdant landscapes and an exquisite modern font, the epitome of French high style through simplicity. Very sophisticated imagery.
I believe that our first contacts there were on the first of only two threads (both vanities) that I initiated there. It was a thread on Orthodox-Catholic Reconciliation to heal the East-West Schism. I was full of hope when I initiated the article. It's fair to say that within a month I was disabused of that tender emotion. I recall a fellow named "Kolokotronis" who posted there. He and I had good exchanges. I recall that he tried to give me comfort that one of the most aggressively negative posters was a Serb, and "Serbs have dark souls"...which surprised me because I thought that was really harsh on the Serbs. Dark souls? Wow! He explained himself and I understood better that he wasn't saying that Serbs are evil, just embittered by history. Fair enough.
Were you known as Cincinna or Alter Kaker?
Actually no, it was much later than that. Somebody above posted threads about France that I was writing in 2007. I must've been banned in 2007 or later.
I was much more hated than that! LOL.
I counsel the philosophy of the famous sage, Taylor Swift: "The haters' gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Baby I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it off! Shake it off!"
Lol, I cant believe either of you got banned from FR.... Did you both mello, or was it just that bad there? My banning was my own doing, I peed all over a daily dose thread, oops!
Amateurs. ‹/sniff›
Did you both mello, or was it just that bad there? I have been pretty constant over the years. I was banned because I was severely critical of H.W. Bush. Specifically, I wrote something like "Was putting up with 8 years of Clinton to get rid of (H.W.) Bush? Yes. Yes it was." Some moderator wrote "Banned for that and the rest of it", something like that. And that was it. Of course, within a year the whole site was aflame with Bush hatred. When the dullards caught up to where the smart people were a year before them, they had banned us, and refused to reconsider their stupid decisions. So now FR is only a shell of what it was.
But they were mad over the Shamnesty attempts, the Harriet Miers debacle, etc. Not exactly the same stuff you weren't happy about a year earlier.
Well, now hold on. I was mad at W. Bush for those very things, and not surprised when he did them. But what got me banned was my criticism of H.W. Bush, 41. He only had two problems: Foreign policy and Domestic policy. Other than that, he was a peach.
He attempted them. In both, he was frustrated by the Right blogosphere and FR mounting a major effort against him. Shamnesty and Miers were the last hurrah for TOS having any actual influence in national politics.
...This place will be excellent. The conversations we will have here will make it so... NOT quite. LF is already now one absurdly infested infested canary/rat cage. This situation is reminiscent of Castro's flotilla of criminals and people with mental illness pawned off on the US from Cuba during the Mariel boatlift. NO THANKS.
Canary refugees from eLPee
Still hilarious. Slapping that together in minutes was quite a feat. BobJ is immortalized forever. (btw, I had NO idea you were so reviled at FR) There's a temptation to create another Hitler spoof starring Gilligan and his ill-fated attempt to pirate LP: Hitler: "I'm not worried about TPaine or anyone else taking over LP. After stroking the sysadmin and jingling my pocket I've got this in the bag." Canary 1: "But Mein Gilligan... Canary 2: "Mein Gilligan, LP is shuttering forever. Your fantasy of owning and running a canary-run regime on LP is KAPUT!"
HA!! And that water is already brown with human-waste. Great metaphor.
...I do write with more than a little garlic. I don't think your penchant for garlicky detail was the issue. Or was it? Yes, there may have been some batshit-crazy posters at FR who were also mods. Refresh my memory. What exactly was your "offending" post at FR?
I'm debating whether LF (Google's and Facebook's unwitting bitch) is actually better than putting up with a handful of antisemites and Truthers over at 4um which is at least a dark-web site. Nazi Truthers or Canaries, which is worse? This influx of Canaries has taken the sheen off any hopes some of us had for LF. Then there's the contents of the Headlines page and many of the articles in various categories.
If you do, let me know. I love those Hitler spoof's.
Yup. ...handful of antisemites and Truthers over at 4um... I'm conflicted. I'm a Truther. But I can't stomach the "Joos-did-it" posting there that seems to be the signature obligatory post of the place. FOR ANY EVENT. Joos take far more of a hit over there than Muzzies. *eyeball roll* (kvetching over a hangnail: "DAMN JOOS!!")
Overall the moderators seem more mellow at 4um. Stone tends to get wild with changing titles and weird stuff on occasion. He's trying to chill, it seems.
Thanks, Stoner...I always thought that had TC keyworded "FREE REPUBLIC" the vid would have received more...ahem...attention. TC is the director and producer and brains behind the operation. I'm just a mere concept guy. Between FR and LP, I've had quite a few lampooning concepts that'd have been pretty funny, but it's hard work. Lord know there have been enough characters, foils and events to create a few others.
Yes. Because nothing much is too outrageous. Except supporting Jewish/Israeli positions or being overly critical of Muzzies. Then the place becomes a self-moderating hive of African bees.
I do too. Ever see the interview with the actor who played Hitler? (Bruno Ganz, who refuses to shave his Hitler) He was pressed for his reaction to his performance being an internet phenomena. Even his own family would bust his chops and laugh when they'd see him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YLqC3DIgjY
And the conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy mindset. Look at their sidebar. OTOH, look at LF's sidebar or what LP had (on some days after the Canaries and the Canary-brawlers got done with it). Which was why I hung out at LP so long, warts and all.
Don't let him fool you. I mentioned the bunker mindset of TOS, Liberator mentioned the various Hitler spoofs, I located and torrented the movie, 90% of the script came from a single post by liberator, I figured out the subtitle format and used Quicktime 7 to hardcode the subtitles onto the video and put it on YouBoob. This happened over the course of a day and a half.
I'm impressed. I thought it was hilarious and still think so to this day.
It was actually easy other than figuring out how to pin the hardcode subtitles onto the video. Could have done it in a few hours otherwise.
Yes, a few posters over there might be a bit over the top on the "conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy mindset." But to be honest, I'm of that mind as well. Maybe not to their degree. To them The Joos are the string-pullers from Islam's terrorism to poisoning our food. THAT said... ...I believe an Elite World Puppet-Meister Government (aka PTB) has been engaging in misdirection and scripting narratives and determining the "news." Owning the media and message makes this simple. Not that Islam didn't pull off the Hedbo caper; They did. However, the PTB routinely enable chaos and anarchy while refusing to douse and call out the actual perps: Islam. Hate-Whitey Plantation Blacks. Commie-White Leftists. OR their own puppets within the US goobermint. As well as various foreign/UN/NWO proxies of these Elites/PTB who do their bidding (howz zat for a "conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy?") :-) OTOH, look at LF's sidebar or what LP had (on some days after the Canaries and the Canary-brawlers got done with it). Which was why I hung out at LP so long, warts and all. Sure. The news sidebar is more about domestic issues and events, less dwelling in the realm of ethereal world conspiracies. Or less about obvious "conspiracies" like a subversive President and his fellow subversive allowed to ransack, plunder and incinerate America with impunity. Where we differ is obviously in defining our respective political "reality." I may be wrong, but...you generally appear to believe that this national/world system or "order" is an un-rigged game; That it's a mess that is redeemable if only the "right" pols were in charge again; That most of our politicians have our best interests at heart, and THE narrative advanced by the media and goob is more or less as it seems. To me, everyday since @ 2004 has reinforced the notion of one giant charade and version of the "Matrix." Since 0buma has been elect THEN re-elected, that notion has been reinforced every hour on the hour. No sane, benevolent, constitutional US government would have allowed the second term to happen without rigging, greasing, and fixing the works. An Impeachment would/should have launcheded long ago. A strong case could be made for Treason. Sorry for the long-winded response.
Thank TC DeMille, you're being modest. You created some of the best lines, right from the outset ("Out of the way, Harpies!....Mittbot!") The "$350,000 per year" crack about a chat board for cat-ladies was deliciously spot on. Day and a half to compete? It just seemed like...minutes :-)
Thanks Fred. Glad you got a kick out of it. Back then we had waaaay to time on our hands. ALTHOUGH a Gatlin/Gilligan/Canary script has potential.
You might want to brush up on your Chomsky a bit, especially his classic Manufacturing Consent. As he says, it is not a conspiracy per se. But it functions as one due to the class solidarity and political interests of the elites. They don't actually need to hold any meetings or to explicitly plan most of their agenda. Damn, you guys all swoon over those Matrix movies. I never met a Truther who didn't mention them before too long. I think that Truthers don't really grasp how that plays out with the non-believers. Hint: they don't like the implication that they're unconscious boobs, given no more hard evidence than the Truthers can muster for their case.
I had to fill dialogs for those chicks. So who else was I going to pick? I got those out of the various Biker Bar threads, just searched around for about 10 minutes. Maybe f_christain? Can't recall.
Never read Chomsky; Don't have to since my eyes and ears and math have dictated the obvious: "IF it looks like a Duck..." OR even to that which "Occam's Razor" applies. I can concur with a solidarity of these elites as the world's undeclared self-anointed Royalty, as well as what they perceive as their "right" and entitlement to advance their subversive agenda of World Conquest and kingdoms. Islam immigration/Terrorism is merely a tool for them. "By any means necessary" is their motto. As to the necessity of meetings, of course they meet and discuss their Game Plans. Most are unannounced. Few are overt. What do you think the Bilderergers, CFR, Skull & Bones, etal are about? Cigars and cognac? Even the Journ-O-Listers devised and organized a Game Plan and executed an agenda. But of course they were/are doing so at the behest of their superiors within this hierarcy of World Subversion. Damn, you guys all swoon over those Matrix movies. I never met a Truther who didn't mention them before too long. Naah. Only watched it a couple of times. The reason it's invoked so often is simply for the "Red Pill/Blue Pill" scene, which is the definitive metaphor for discerning whether our current World Order has been controlled and scripted by subversive elites in stages, OR whether one believes in an alternative reality in which our politics, bogeymen, and events are natural, spontaneous "living, breathing" organisms. I think that Truthers don't really grasp how that plays out with the non-believers. Hint: they don't like the implication that they're unconscious boobs, given no more hard evidence than the Truthers can muster for their case. I thoroughly understand the revulsion and rejection of "Trutherism." It's hard for folks to believe nearly everything they've been told about our system and order is a lie. Being bamboozled our entire lives is an immense blow to our intellect... But how it plays out with unbelievers isn't part of the equation for those who do the math. Connecting those dots in lieu of "hard evidence" has never been easier. That "evidence" is shone like a laser in everyone's face on a daily basis. Lies of ommision and "official" reports that are worse than fairy tales make it just as frustrating and incredulous for those of us who hear the perjorative, "Truther!" despite what we see is one charade after another.
Don't recall the source of the $350,000 chatboard line, but the Freepathons spoke for themselves, didn't they? It was...excellent chick filler. "Proud and loyal Harpy." HA! The KleinBot = MittBot was clever. Well, however, whatever you did to create the rest of the storyboard and jokes ("Do they think Margueritas and breadsticks grow on trees...tittering over Fred Thompson...great grifter hero Keyes....") was killer.
Here's my all-time favorite "conspiracy" photo. A Menage a Puppet. I'd like to think of this as Poppy and Slick's "Secret NWO handshake," but that would be presumptuous of me. Because ALL ex-Prezes of opposing parties I've ever seen photographed do this all the time. *cough, Mena*
Okay, that one was all me. We had had a recent story about how Keyes was still in debt over $500K from his failed campaigns (slipping money to relatives to pilfer donations) and was running a scheme like Sharpton's to keep his income off the books entirely. He was (and is) expected to die a half-million in campaign debt. So grifter was pretty accurate and contemporary. And Robinson just loved him some Alan Keyes. Couldn't get enough. And Thompson was irresistible. Recall how they waited so long for him, their savior, to quit his L&O job and go campaign. When he finally did, he rolled around the Ames state fair on a golf cart, fizzled and quit. And after Robinson acquired the rights to...wait for it...www.fredrepublic.com! LOL. And it pointed to FR too. Damn, what a letdown.
It was a long time ago now, years and years. Still, it was something along the lines of: "Was putting up with 8 years of Clinton worth it to get rid of Bush? Yes, yes it was." And with that, I was gone for good, without appeal.
THAT was a bit to radical for the Cult of Bush to wrap their fawning heads around, wasn't it? LOL These days, Freepers are in open revolt against ALL things Bush. TEN YEARS TOO LATE. Thus, you were waaay ahead of the curve, as were most excommunicated Freepers here or at LP.
Yup, the Keyes line all you, and quite apropos considering the circumstances. The "great grifter hero" description was actually perfect. The tittering Fred Thompson line was also well played; Your account of Freepers awaiting with baited breath for their savior to charge into the campaign arena to the sound of triumphant trumpets immediately dashed hopes. The somatic Thompson was a prop, a corpse, calculated to siphon votes. NOT there as a serious candiate, and it showed. Burst bubble were rife in Freeperland. That JR actually acquired the rights to....www.fredrepublic.com (HA!) was delicious irony. 2 for 2 on both Keyes and Thompson. And nicely fit into your storyboard. People really had to be there at the time to fully appreciate your spot on impressions.
I often wondered just how many angry freepmails circulated over that little vid. More than a few, I think.
Well, W Bush was better than his daddy. I didn't hate W. Still don't. He made mistakes. So have I. His worst mistake from a national security perspective was not treating 9/11 like Pearl Harbor and going to Congress next day to ask for a Declaration of War. It could not have been resisted, and with full war powers we would have been able to lick the whole Muslim world in 5 years, control the world's oil supply (at a time when Russia was too weak to do anything, and China was not prepared to take up the leadership, and Europe was willing) AND bring the national finances well in hand with war taxes. AND keep the public together and eager to finish the fight against the evildoers. By using war fever, Bush could have overwhelmed the lobbyists and the monied interests, and by using war powers, he could have so swiftly, forcibly and irresistibly redistributed their money through war taxes that the deficit would have been a permanent surplus, the national debt would have plunged, AND the power of the oligarchy would have been seriously clipped (by taxes removing their money and unified public war fever and anti-sedition laws and taxes and regulations forcing them to march in step). That would have given America a win on all levels. But Bush is a man of the oligarchy. Not a brilliant one, not a mover and shaker, but one easily swayed by them. So instead we played at war, have lost it, and our financial stability, and everything. He failed because he did not do the right thing at the critical moment. And then there was the Miers/Schiavo fiasco which betrayed the pro-life base. The first thing set Bush's presidency and America up for disaster. The second turned me against him personally. The Terri Schiavo affair showed both Bush boys as cowards, at best, or actually aligned with the bad guys. In any case, my criticism back THEN on FR was aimed at H.W. Bush. I read his lips: he lied to me and hiked taxes. And when we had Saddam Hussein's evil regime in the palm of our hand, we let him go. I have no patience for Poppy Bush, and no patience for his supporters either. FR is the face of the GOP. That is the Republican Party. That's who makes it up. That's how they think (or rather, don't). Thank God they banned me.
No, he wasn't. Both were bad, Dumbya was far worse. He should be tried for war crimes, along with Obama. Oh, dear, I just had a flashback of those awful Daily Dose Busholatry threads at TOS. That was a close call but don't put me on the prayer list just yet. : )
Other than reading and posting on the RF, I don't read or participate in the FR political threads. I may have posted on those threads about 7-10 times total. Sometimes it's just too inviting to avoid a thread as this one: www.freerepublic .com/focus/religion/3246981/posts It seems both ghettos towed out their big guns for the above thread.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
You weren't there for the old days, Calvinists Against The World. LOL. Quite a crew. I recall we used to stop one thread and continue the topic on a new one when we hit 500 posts. So you would have Predestination XXIII or Irresistible Grace XXXII. Those weren't one-liner posts either. Lots of really long quotes and extensive essays and debates. Here's one by xzins with jokes from 2005:
Q. "How many charismatics does it take to change a light bulb?"
A. "Only one. His hands are in the air anyway."
Q. "How many Calvinists does it take to change a light bulb?"
A. "None. God has predestined when it will be light and dark.
Q. "How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?"
A. "Only one. But the light bulb has to WANT to change."
A very early one from 2002, a mere 1800 posts, Predestination. If you don't need glasses yet, you will! : )
LOL xins still posting there. Think he is a retired Army chaplain (Lutheran) I will look at the link in a bit. There is a poster over there that gives Vic a run for his money with regards to post length:)
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)
(Edited)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
He graciously was willing to give up in order to let the place survive.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
He graciously was willing to give up in order to let the place survive.
#6. To: hondo68, meguro (#4)
#7. To: TooConservative (#5)
#8. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
tell meguro his account is open
Pimped Done!
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#9. To: hondo68 (#8)
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
Do me a favor and tell meguro his account is open over here if he wants to communicate.
#11. To: TooConservative (#10)
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
Now Stone opened his account again.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#14. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#12)
Now Stone opened his account again.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Which may be a mistake.
#16. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#15)
There is excitement and emotion, and very old scabs are being torn off by some. Old fights will come back, for a time.
#17. To: SOSO (#16)
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)
A Disney Princess has wise words for everybody: "Let it go! Let it go!" - Queen Elsa
#19. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#18)
A Disney Princess has wise words for everybody: "Let it go! Let it go!" - Queen Elsa
#20. To: SOSO (#19)
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
A Disney Princess has wise words for everybody: "Let it go! Let it go!" - Queen Elsa
#22. To: SOSO, Too Conservative (#19)
(Edited)
Ah, one of the LF Nazis strikes again, this time at you.
#23. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
Well I see your: "Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein, lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein, Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein! Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!"
#24. To: TooConservative (#20)
Trying to spread hatred and discontent as you stalk the threads?
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
Moi? For telling folks who want to fight to just LET IT GO.
#26. To: SOSO (#23)
In english please if you want to dance with me.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
In other words, Nazis schmazis - more wine!
#28. To: SOSO (#25)
BTW, are really Vicomte13? Are you sure that you are not SOD or yukon or any of the other posters over which he is obessed? Come, fess up. But just don't claim that you are Spartacus because I AM SPARTACUS:)
#29. To: SOSO, TooConservative (#24)
(Edited)
TooConservative: "Trying to spread hatred and discontent as you stalk the threads"?
#30. To: Murron, TooConservative (#29)
We could ask you the same question, SOSO. What are you afraid of?
#31. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative (#0)
#32. To: Pericles (#31)
I am on an introductory member basis - I assume that limited my postings?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#33. To: Pericles (#31)
#34. To: Pericles (#31)
#35. To: hondo68 (#32)
I am on an introductory member basis - I assume that limited my postings? Use your sock puppet account, Godwinson.
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#33)
#38. To: Pericles (#37)
#39. To: Pericles (#31)
Thank you for the invite. Because I used AOL for email it seems I am on an introductory member basis - I assume that limited my postings?
#40. To: TooConservative (#39)
#41. To: Pericles, Godwinson, etc. (#35)
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...on&To=&SNSearch=+Go+&PNU=
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#42. To: hondo68 (#41)
I might start a sock puppet decoder ring thread, for all of the aliases used by different people on these forums.
#43. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
Why would that get me banned?
#44. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#42)
(Edited)
I might start a sock puppet decoder ring thread, for all of the aliases used by different people on these forums. It's the two new unknown sock puppets that you need the ring for.
#45. To: Pericles, hondo68 (#44)
Calling the different names I used a sockpuppet is a stretch.
#46. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#45)
(Edited)
So retread is probably more accurate.
#47. To: Pericles (#46)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#48. To: Pericles (#46)
Yes, retread is accurate - same person returning as a different account name and I really never tried to hide it.
Sockpuppet is like having a gaggle of fake names
#49. To: hondo68 (#47)
OK, we're not sock puppets, just retreads. I was Booshbot666 at LP after getting banned as hondo68TTOR.
#50. To: TooConservative (#43)
Don't make me play that song to punish your cheeky insouciance.
#51. To: TooConservative (#45)
#52. To: TooConservative (#49)
Is this the part where the rest of us act surprised?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#53. To: Vicomte13 (#51)
I actually tried to be a retread at TOS. Tried to come back as "Sherriff13". But their system said "NOPE", and that was that. Never tried again.
#54. To: Vicomte13 (#51)
#55. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#54)
(Edited)
Wait...are you asking for help in going back to TOS? Or just conversing?
#56. To: Vicomte13 (#51)
I actually tried to be a retread at TOS. Tried to come back as "Sherriff13". But their system said "NOPE", and that was that. Never tried again.
#57. To: TooConservative (#48)
(Edited)
You mean, other than carefully not telling anyone and pretending you had met everyone for the first time as a new poster.
#58. To: TooConservative (#54)
(Edited)
#59. To: Liberator (#55)
However for a poster to be hit with the charge of "RETREAD!!" (or troll) it would have to be assumed that Vic has made enemies of petty mitpickers there. Have you, Vic? If not, TC has his balloon tethered to Oz on standby to Kansas.
#60. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, A K A Stone (#58)
LibertysFlame looks to be like a bigger and less cranky expression of LibertyPost, and with Private Mail too. So I think this place will be excellent. The conversations we will have here will make it so, and my excellent (if lengthy) writing will be a material part of that. This is not arrogance, it is realism.
I realize that it is true: I write well....
#61. To: Pericles (#57)
I honestly did not really remember your name that well.
#62. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#59)
I think these are mostly matters of style. France is America's oldest ally, but a lot of Americans are allergic to things French, and I do write with more than a little garlic.
#63. To: TooConservative, A Pole, Vicomte13 (#61)
I had a different handle there, one that enraged the Bushbots. The mods hated it. LOL. I can't believe they let me post for so long. I bet I'm one of the rare posters there whose posts have been completely eradicated.
#64. To: Pericles (#63)
#65. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
#66. To: Pericles (#63)
#67. To: TooConservative (#62)
I recall you and I together on many threads about the election campaign of Sarkozy.
#68. To: All (#58)
When FreeRepublic cut me off originally... That was in 2005 or so.
#69. To: Vicomte13 (#67)
Were you known as Cincinna or Alter Kaker?
#70. To: TooConservative (#69)
I was much more hated than that! LOL.
#71. To: Vicomte13 TooConservative (#70)
#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#71)
My banning was my own doing, I peed all over a daily dose thread, oops!
#73. To: Dead Culture Watch (#71)
Lol, I cant believe either of you got banned from FR....
#74. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
Of course, within a year the whole site was aflame with Bush hatred. When the dullards caught up to where the smart people were a year before them, they had banned us, and refused to reconsider their stupid decisions.
#75. To: TooConservative (#74)
(Edited)
But they were mad over the Shamnesty attempts, the Harriet Miers debacle, etc. Not exactly the same stuff you weren't happy about a year earlier.
#76. To: Vicomte13 (#75)
Well, now hold on. I was mad at W. Bush for those very things, and not surprised when he did them.
#77. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, CZ82, Redleghunter, hondo68, Deckard, A K A Stone (#58)
LibertysFlame looks to be like a bigger and less cranky expression of LibertyPost...
#78. To: Liberator, eLPee boatlift (#77)
the Mariel boatlift.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#79. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#62)
Liberator and I would have a better chance of retreading there despite our poignant and gripping tribute video to TOS and the heroic BobJ.
#80. To: hondo68 (#78)
(Edited)
#81. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
Given some of the outrage that folks have expressed at me, the heat of the invective, just for stating my simple (if at times detailed) opinions, I suppose that there are some people whom I make batshit crazy just by opening my mouth...
#82. To: hondo68 (#78)
Canary refugees from eLPee
#83. To: Liberator (#79)
" There's a temptation to create another Hitler spoof starring Gilligan and his ill-fated attempt to pirate LP: "
#84. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#82)
This influx of Canaries has taken the sheen off any hopes some of us had for LF.
#85. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#84)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#86. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#83)
#87. To: hondo68 (#85)
(Edited)
Overall the moderators seem more mellow at 4um.
#88. To: Stoner (#83)
I love those Hitler spoof's.
#89. To: Liberator (#84)
But I can't stomach the "Joos-did-it" posting there that seems to be the signature obligatory post of the place.
#90. To: Stoner, Liberator (#86)
#91. To: TooConservative, liberator (#90)
This happened over the course of a day and a half.
#92. To: Fred Mertz, liberator (#91)
#93. To: TooConservative (#89)
And the conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy-within-a-conspiracy mindset. Look at their sidebar.
#94. To: TooConservative, Stoner (#90)
(Edited)
#95. To: Fred Mertz, TooConservative, Stoner (#91)
#96. To: Liberator (#93)
...I believe an Elite World Puppet-Meister Government (aka PTB) has been engaging in misdirection and scripting narratives and determining the "news." Owning the media and message makes this simple. Not that Islam didn't pull off the Hedbo caper; They did. However, the PTB routinely enable chaos and anarchy while refusing to douse and call out the actual perps: Islam.
To me, everyday since @ 2004 has reinforced the notion of one giant charade and version of the "Matrix."
#97. To: Liberator (#94)
You created some of the best lines, right from the outset ("Out of the way, Harpies!....Mittbot!")
The "$350,000 per year" crack about a chat board for cat-ladies was deliciously spot on.
#98. To: TooConservative (#96)
(Edited)
You might want to brush up on your Chomsky a bit, especially his classic Manufacturing Consent. As he says, it is not a conspiracy per se. But it functions as one due to the class solidarity and political interests of the elites. They don't actually need to hold any meetings or to explicitly plan most of their agenda.
#99. To: TooConservative (#97)
I had to fill dialogs for those chicks. So who else was I going to pick?
#100. To: TooConservative, Deckard (#96)
#101. To: Liberator (#99)
(Edited)
...great grifter hero Keyes...
#102. To: Liberator (#81)
Refresh my memory. What exactly was your "offending" post at FR?
#103. To: Vicomte13 (#102)
Was putting up with 8 years of Clinton worth it to get rid of Bush? Yes, yes it was."
#104. To: TooConservative (#101)
#105. To: Liberator (#104)
People really had to be there at the time to fully appreciate your spot on impressions.
#106. To: Liberator (#103)
These days, Freepers are in open revolt against ALL things Bush.
#107. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#106)
Well, W Bush was better than his daddy. I didn't hate W. Still don't. He made mistakes. So have I.
#108. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#107)
#109. To: redleghunter (#108)
It seems both ghettos towed out their big guns for the above thread.
Q. "How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulb?"
A. "None. We use candles."
#110. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#109)
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