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Title: Tipping Point: 50% of Americans reject the D&R terrorist party
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Ben Swann
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67rfMbw-3e0
Published: Nov 20, 2014
Author: Ben Swann
Post Date: 2014-11-20 12:18:37 by Hondo68
Keywords: 50 percent of Americans, REJECT, Republicans and Democrats
Views: 15242
Comments: 53
Poster Comment: We're up to half of all Americans being, pro-Liberty & pro-American! God bless America, and a pox on the Republican and Democrat tyrants.
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#13. To: Liberator (#5)
These are complicated things that would require a lot of ink to flesh out. And anyway, I suggesting we form a party, not that I should be the head of it. So I'll give you my view of your short questions in comparably short answers. How strong? Very. What criteria? Universal. What is a "fair tax"? A tax which taxes each individual's total wealth at the same percentage as it taxes everybody else, and that is set at the level necessary to fund all levels of government with no deficit, and with a sufficient surplus to eventually pay off all government debt. Regarding illegal aliens, the Border must be closed and guarded to stop the flow. Violent illegals need to be deported. Families of US citizens need to be regularized with green cards, but without a path to citizenship (no VOTE, ever). Employers who hire illegals need to be fined heavily, to remove all economic incentive for hiring them. Border patrols and welfare is financed by the regular government. Fines should be punitive and assist in defraying the costs.
I think you are incorrect there. By definition you can't be a christian and a democrat. Unless you repent of being a democrat. Agree with you, Stone. Few Dems oppose abortion AND gay "marriage" Vic, THE defining litmus tests of being a Dem these days is: 1) pro-Abortion 2) pro-gay issues What else is there? (besides supporting socialist policies and growing the bureaucracy?)
Is there more or less gun control in America in 2014 than under Reagan? They have expanded their grip, and are crushing out gun rights.
Not by any real definition.
What would total tyranny and annihilation look like? North Korea? What has prevented us from turning into North Korea is that nobody - Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Christian - nobody - wants to live in North Korea. Democrats have pushed as far as they want to, and have largely gotten what they want, over time. As time goes on, what they want evolves, and then they push for it, and get it.
If we were starting from scratch you might have a good case and concept. It sure does appear you're supporting a strong Christian-Socialist state with heavy regs... Regarding illegal aliens, the Border must be closed and guarded to stop the flow. Violent illegals need to be deported. Families of US citizens need to be regularized with green cards, but without a path to citizenship (no VOTE, ever). Employers who hire illegals need to be fined heavily, to remove all economic incentive for hiring them. Border patrols and welfare is financed by the regular government. Fines should be punitive and assist in defraying the costs. I am thrilled to finally agree with you, 100% :-)
Then sit back and enjoy the ride. If we form no new party, the Democrats will continue to rule America and it will continue to evolve, slowly and inexorably, in accordance with their will. Thus has it been since 1932. Thus ever shall it be, until people decide to do something different. As long as people vote for the plutocrats, they're going to get what we've got. You've decided that the Republicans are the only hope. Which means that you've decided that the war is lost. I know that hope remains, if people are willing to do something different than they've done before. I will acknowledge that my conversations about doing anything at all with the American Right on places like LF, FR and LP have caused me to conclude that there really IS no hope at all for the American conservative whites - they're aging, weak and timid. It reminds me of Constantinople in 1452.
It isn't subversive. It's out in the open. They want full blown secular socialism, and they are implementing it over time through their control of the political process. The Party of Plutocrats, the GOP, hasn't stopped them in large part because they don't WANT to stop them. The plutocrats only want to SLOW DOWN the Democrats, so that they can reposition themselves to get the contracts and enjoy the monetary gains from the Democrat policy. That's why the Republicans never reverse anything. They resist, half-assedly, long enough for the plutocrats to get the contracts, then they cave and defend the new policy as an "unfortunate thing that can't be helped". The Democrats are out in the open. The plutocrats who really control the Republican Party are the ones with a subversive agenda. The rank-and-file middle class Right are the dupes in this all.
Good question (and answer.) BUT, if everything is relative (and it is), the US will have gone from 0-60 MPH in a millisecond. The Norkers have ALWAYS known total tyranny and annihilation, so their baseline of freedom plotted on a graph of tyranny just doesn't exist. What has prevented us from turning into North Korea is that nobody - Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Christian - nobody - wants to live in North Korea. Give it time. Then no one will have much of a choice in whatever eventual world the Elites set up for the serfs: ONE Party. ONE Government. ONE Religion. Etc. Our run as a representative Republic died in 1913. Buried with the advent of the UN. Since then, we've lived in a bubble, a mirage of "freedom." Democrats have pushed as far as they want to, and have largely gotten what they want, over time. As time goes on, what they want evolves, and then they push for it, and get it. Yes, they have gotten it aided and abetted by Rockefeller-Globalists (R)s whose goal was shared -- that's ALWAYS been to destroy the US's personal and national sovereignty.
1) pro-Abortion 2) pro-gay issues Those are the litmus test for Democrat LEADERSHIP, but lots of old whites vote for Democrats because the Democrats prevent the Republicans from gutting their Social Security, Medicare, unemployment benefits and other poverty relief measures. Hispanics vote for Democrats because the Democrats are for a stronger social safety net, that the Hispanics need. There are plenty of people who vote Democrat now who would vote for Christian Democrats if there were a party that promised to maintain and strengthen the social safety net, but to knock off the abortion and sodomy crap. See, there are plenty of people on the Democrat side - whites and blacks and Hispanics, who feel trapped in just the same way that voters on the Republican side feel trapped. Republicans feel they have to vote for plutocrats because the Democrats are so evil. And the Christian Democracy folks who want and need the social safety net, feel they have no choice but to go along with the aggressive moral libertines because they have nowhere else to go. A Christian Commonwealth party, or Christian Republic, or Christian Democrat, would give unhappy people on both sides a place to go. And they would.
A new party CAN start from scratch. That's the whole point. The Democrats and Republicans have delivered us a shit sandwich, and we're not even going to respect their TRADITIONS. We're radical revolutionaries, within the bounds of the Constitution, and we're going to walk right over status quo and tradition. Example: We get control of a branch of Congress, and the Seniority rules are GONE. There's a party platform, a set of beliefs - if you drift from that and start following your own drummer, or the other side, you've betrayed what we stand for and what the people voted for, and we're going to throw you out of the coalition and out of your seats on committees.
Yes, I agree with your assessment. What I do not agree with is your opinion that the GOP has had a consensus of opinion. They don't currently and NEVER had. I keep on trying to impress this point upon you -- conservative Pubbies do NOT and have not ever controlled the GOP's agenda, or its leadership (other than Reagan)... Ergo, 100% of the Dems + 50% of the GOPe = 100% advancement of anti-Constitutional Dem-Socialism-Statism-Globalism. THAT equation is exactly why the Republicans never reverse anything. The Democrats are out in the open. The plutocrats who really control the Republican Party are the ones with a subversive agenda. The rank-and-file middle class Right are the dupes in this all. Exactly. Unfortunately, the GOP is a split, divided & conquered party. The Dems have remained a cohesive army of subversives.
Hardcore socialism isn't quite the same as a "strong safety net." LBJ understood the difference when he and the Dems enacted the Plantation Act of 1965 along with the Third World Immigration Act of 1965, assuring the Dems of a constituency of social dependents, fatherless generations of Dem votes, and parasites until Doomsday. Do these Dems and most Dems by and large also favor "gay marriage" and abortion? Without a doubt. Part of their opinion (even of older Dems) has been molded during the last 30 years of propaganda -- of a GOP that would "starve" them all while waging a "war against women" pounded into their ever-shrinking brains.
Gonna be hard to do with 1A gone, the 2A gone, the 4A gone, the 14A warped, and persecution of Christians and conservatives promoted and sanctioned by a tyrannical goobermint. Example: We get control of a branch of Congress, and the Seniority rules are GONE. There's a party platform, a set of beliefs - if you drift from that and start following your own drummer, or the other side, you've betrayed what we stand for and what the people voted for, and we're going to throw you out of the coalition and out of your seats on committees. The Conservatives of the GOP can't break the Rockefeller/GOPe hold of power and "leadership," yet you expect a brand new moralist party to waltz in and shake things up? Jefferson knew what it would take: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
This is the solution. The problem is an enforcement mechanism. The employer must have an an available and reliable way to verify the status of prospective employees. Employees can readily provide bogus documents/information and get government acceptance and benefits.
Yup. I place the blame for the failure of this simple enforcement mechanism being in place on the vacuous skulls that were Bush, Cheney, Rice, and the rest of the sneaky neocon-GOPe globalist saboteurs of US sovereignty. Considering this as well as many other ways the Bush Admin encouraged and enabled the Illegal Invasion during the so-called "War on Terror," how does ANY one NOT consider DubyaCo traitors to the USA and constitution?
I keep trying to impress this point on you: they never have, and they never will. They didn't under Reagan either. Would Poppy Bush really have been Reagan's VP choice? They stood Reagan up in front of a political grave and told him that if he wanted to be President, that Bush was going to be his running mate. And Reagan put into place plenty of policies that advanced the oligarchy. Twas Reagan who tried to gut Social Security. He got burned badly enough by the Democrats that he stood down on that. Reagan gave us illegal alien amnesty, round 1. Obama will give us round 2.
Yes I do. And I can tell you how too: the way the Jews did it and the way the Chinese are doing it: by relentlessly favoring only their own kind in all things - ESPECIALLY in everything having to do with economics, hiring and promotion.
Well, it's never going to happen. The Democrats want the voters. The Republican plutocrats want the labor, and will never accept EMPLOYERS getting financially gutted for making excessive, illegal profits. Rather, the Republicans will focus on tormenting the poor immigrants, and the Democrats will let them, to an extent, in order to highlight why the Democrats are better. Meanwhile, thanks to birth control, abortion and sex-as-recreation, the white population will dwindle and the Latinos will grow in number until they are all things.
Common Core? "There's not a dimes worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans" ~ George Wallace
But...but...It's fo' da children. It'll help them find McJobs in the future while ensuring that gifted students lose all incentive to learn and become McJob store managers.
Isn't that what I'd just explained to you? Reagan may have been the only non-elite, non-Ivy League tool, non-CFR, non-Mason Prez to be President in the 20th century. Would Poppy Bush really have been Reagan's VP choice? They stood Reagan up in front of a political grave and told him that if he wanted to be President, that Bush was going to be his running mate. True, Poppy Bush was foisted upon The Gipper as VP by the Rockefeller-controlled GOP. (Just goes to further reinforce opposing faction of the GOP, and who actually has been at fault.) Despite the weaselly Bush waiting his turn, Reagan STILL created a national pride, economic confidence and opportunity, and peace in his time. You DO remember the 1980s, right? ZERO wars (except for the Grenada skirmish.) I'm surprised you didn't pay more attention throughout the 1980s. And Reagan put into place plenty of policies that advanced the oligarchy. Twas Reagan who tried to gut Social Security. He got burned badly enough by the Democrats that he stood down on that. So Reagan didn't quite top off the beer mug. Big deal. Considering saddled with a Dem Congress, what Reagan pulled off; as well as creating as much of his vision for America was miraculous. And at least he tried to "reform" NOT "gut" SS. For that he ought to have been given a medal. NOW look at the bureaucratic leviathan he despised. To be fair, the second half of RR's admin was infested and sabotaged by Rockefeller globalists. His trust was betrayed as he was plotted against by BushCo's GOPe brethren.
This is what you're left with: telling yourself fables about Reagan while everything you believe in slides down the chute into the dumpster. You're a Republican loyalist and will remain one all of your life. Reagan did the GOP good service in that regard. So console yourself with his faded glory, because that's all you will ever have. At best, Reagan was your Agincourt. But Agincourt was followed by Patay. You may choose to ignore Patay, and Orleans and Beaugency and the rest, but the map reflects who actually won that war in the end. The English won a battle and wrote plays about it. The French won the war and have ruled every village in dispute for the 550 years since. Way back up the threads lies the origin of these discussions: the assertion, by Republican loyalists such as yourself, that a vote for a third party candidate, or a non-vote, or a vote for anybody but the Republican candidate, is a vote for Hillary. You're not going to change your mind on that, because in the end, the Republican Party is your home, and you won't leave it. Which means that, from your perspective, I'm voting for Hillary. Of course I will not actually vote for Hillary at all. Nor will I vote for your Republican. You believe that your conservatives will take over the GOP. I believe that this will never even come close to happen, and I will waste no time in the fantasy that it will. The Republican brand is corrupt and tainted, and I won't associate with it. Which means that I'm "For Hillary", in your logic. You've taken up the George Bush line "If you're not with us, you're against us." Very well then, on your words, I am against you. I am against you because your Republican Party offers nothing good. It is totally corrupt and its policies are evil and are destroying the country. You have to be stopped, just like the Democrats have to be stopped. There are not enough of me to stop you, so this war is lost. Therefore, I leave you and the Democrats in possession of the field, and observe that the Democrats have always won, and will continue to win. They are the stronger horse, and smarter, and they win. I won't ally with them, but I can certainly see who is going to win the battle. In this American political version of the "100 Years War", the Republicans are the English, the Democrats are the French, the tide of history is with the French. The Republicans won some battles and have their handful of heroes they can write about in future years. But the Democrats hold the ground and will win in the end. In fact, just last night Obama's battering ram busted open the castle door. For now the illegals will proliferate, and will gradually move towards citizenship, and once they vote, its over for the GOP. Obamacare may be modified here and there, but ultimately there will be government health care. Gun rights will gradually be titrated away. It's just a matter of time. I would like to see a different outcome, but folks like you have divided your efforts - you want a certain outcome AND you want it to be the Republicans who bear the standard. You can only have one of those things, though, and in the end, you've chosen the Republican standard. So stand and die under it. It doesn't represent me. Morally, it represents great evil. I will stand with you under a different banner for common ideals, but if the price of resisting Democrats is to stand under the Republican banner, I will go home to the farm. Enjoy your fight for your Republican flag. It's not my flag and I will not fight for it or serve it, or ally with it.
Just the other day you said you would support Huckabee. You also said you could maybe vote for Cruz.
Yes, I did. I said I would support HUCKABEE, and that I might vote for CRUZ. I didn't say I would support the REPUBLICAN PARTY. I am willing to support INDIVIDUALS, regardless of their party affiliation, if there is some quality of the INDIVIDUAL. But if there's a "Democrat" or "Republican" party affiliation associated with that individual, that's a severe negative. There has to be something very positive there to overcome the negative fact of affiliation with a very crappy party. Huckabee could do it for me. Cruz damaged himself with me when he went to that Arab Christian convocation and espoused the position that you're essentially un-Christian if you're not pro-Israel. His position is wrong and outrageous, and my ability to support him dropped about 90% from that one incident. Now I see him as an Israel-firster, and that is a very morally evil position to take. God first. Family second. Country third. If his position is that God and Israel are perfectly aligned, well, that's bad theology. If that's the theology of his Church - and it may be - then I have to say that my religion is much more closely aligned with the Orthodox Arab Christians in that room than it is with his idiotic and ignorant version of Christianity. But I haven't looked into it. Cruz was right about the government shutdown, and I applaud him for that. But it also showed so clearly that the Republicans WON'T use the only power they really have to truly STOP Obama, because the outcome of all of that was to make very clear that protecting the financial interests of the Alphas is more important to Republican politicians than protecting against what their propaganda says are existential threats to the country. Ted Cruz is very damaged goods in my eyes because he is an idiot on Christian religious matters as concerns Arab Orthodox and Israel. Christian Orthodoxy and the survival of Orthodox Christians must trump the survival of Israel, if it comes to that, because Christianity is right and Judaism is wrong - bottom line. Still could I support Cruz? Probably, if he doesn't do that sort of thing again. Because I see him as an attention whore, I think that the really bad reaction he got from the speech to the Arab Christians was probably sufficient to frighten him into not doing that sort of thing again. He's out of my good graces, but I might be able to support him. But Huckabee has been right on so many issues of core Christian importance so many times that I am ready to vote for him. He is much preferable to Cruz, in my eyes. Neither one of them impress me for being Republicans.
Vic, you really haven't paid much attention to my recent posts OR years of past posts. That's disappointing. Anyway, "in the end" I'm a pragmatist, a realist, and hopeful visionary. Reality's paradigm is either Republican OR Democrat. Whether or not one believes in 10% of the party platform or 80%. There remain a good number of Republicans who are pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-family. On the Dems side, the last three issues are a consensus: PRO-ABORTION, ANTI-GUN, and PRO-GAY. And here you are telling me it doesn't matter. And then the biggest problem you can't seem to address: There IS no viable optional Third Party. Now what?? Dems have been killing us slowly, but giving conservatives a chance to win some battles, and just perhaps, the war; the latter (Dems) have been killing us rapidly, "death by a thousand cuts." You on the other hand believe in an ideal, a fantasy that just isn't possible for decades -- if ever. These divisive, confused times have been prophesied. The politics of the matter is but a spiritual war. Same as it was in 1776 when good, faithful men -- our Founders -- won the day. Only now, the Beast has returned to reclaim his realm.
So console yourself with his faded glory, because that's all you will ever have. Again -- My assessment of your broad-sweeping erroneous generalization of my position is that you reading comprehension is woefully lacking. a) I am "loyal" to God. b) ONLY the Republican Party supports righteous issues. c) The Dem Party represents ZERO righteous issues; worse than that, they represent satanic ideals. d) Ergo, EVERY Republican candidate by default are presumed by large to be better representative than ANY Dems. Are there a couple of exceptions? Perhaps. e) The 1980s was a decade of peace, hope, prosperity, and a glimmer of the best of America -- because of Ronald Reagan. Yes, THAT "faded glory" is the best we will ever see in our lifetime, or in the foreseeable future. You're not going to change your mind on that, because in the end, the Republican Party is your home, and you won't leave it. Which means that, from your perspective, I'm voting for Hillary. Wrong again. X2. You've taken up the George Bush line "If you're not with us, you're against us." Very well then, on your words, I am against you. I am against you because your Republican Party offers nothing good. It is totally corrupt and its policies are evil and are destroying the country. You have to be stopped, just like the Democrats have to be stopped. You're "against" the reality of the current situation. I didn't create it. You didn't create it. And btw, if you can't find any viable, profound differences between Republicans and Democrats (especially now), you're either blind, ignorant, or too stubborn to concede the obvious. You're mistaken by conflating my opinion with Dubya Bush;You're also mistaken by presuming my support of certain Republican candidates to be an endorsement of the Republican leadership, the controlling Rockefeller wing, and the GOP as a whole. Finally, there IS a difference between a group of pirates who steal your bicycle, and the pirates who steal your car....as well as bicycle. Opting out of the battle of the political reality of the times doesn't help Christian issues; It aids the hastening of our demise. Stomping your feet because a American Christian-Socialist monarchy isn't in place is futile.
Enforcing the law is not torture. A possibility would be to require aliens, as a condition of a work permit, to have a national ID card with picture and fingerprint. This could facilitate work status verification. Accompany that with prison time for impersonating a U.S. citizen. Democrats doing something to highlight why the Democrats are better is like Obama giving another speech to highlight how Obamacare is saving each family $2,500 per year and imploring them to tithe 10% or $250 to the Democratic National Party. President Obama and Senate leader Harry Reed and House minority leader Nancy Pelosi have been so discredited that the popularity of the Dem party has fallen below the Republicans. That is quite an achievement. Democratic senate candidates were defeated with a months long recitation of Obama, Obamacare. Those who voted for it could not make any other topic gain traction. There is very little support for Obama's executive action now and it will be just one more anchor for the Dem party candidates to drag around in their next election... if they defend it for the next two years... and they will have to defend it or it will be killed by the majority.
Executive Orders are executed by the Executive Branch, which will indeed be carried out. Congress can only stop that by cutting off the money.
Congress can only stop that by cutting off the money. Shutting off the money is not the only action available to Congress. For example, Congress can pass a law stopping it dead in its tracks, provided they have the votes to do so.
I was speaking of reality. Sure, Congress could impeach and remove Obama and all of the Democrat Supreme Court Justices too. And the Democrats could come to their senses. If we indulge in fantasy, anything is possible. But in Realityville, nothing can pass the Congress that the Democrats don't want. They control the Senate now, and filibuster everything to a stop. So yes, legally Congress could pass a law. But realistically, the reason that Obama did this by executive order is Congress is paralyzed. Given the division of Congress, the only way that Obama can really be stopped is by using the tools of paralysis: Supreme Court, or government shutdown.
That isn't the only. way. I can think of at least one other way.
And can also be changed/repealed by future presidents. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/02/the-use-and-abuse-of-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
There sure are. And they are ALL legal.
What is it? I can't.
That's true. The next shot to do that will begin in January, 2017. By then, there will be 5 million amnestied illegals, and all of their amnestied employers too. The Republican Establishment wants some sort of amnesty precisely for the second reason. So, will the next Republican candidate campaign on withdrawing the regularization of 5 million people? No way. What Obama does here will stick. It will never be reversed. The only time to stop this is NOW, and the ONLY WAY TO STOP IT, in Realityville, is to either get a Supreme Court injunction against it, or to shut down the government and keep it shut down, all the way to default. Obama won't back down, and that means that either he will win and gov't will reopen, or government will stay closed and default will occur. In Realityville, the Republicans won't allow a shutdown to go all the way to default, so Obama will win. That's the bottom line: given the Republican Party as it really is, unless the Supreme Court strikes down Obama's amnesty, the amnesty will stand. At this point, we're all just speculating. But as we watch time unfold, the other speculations will fall away, and what I've said is what will come to pass. Either the Supreme Court kills it, or Obama wins and it's never reversed. And given who is on the Supreme Court, that means Obama has already won. We can scream and yell and roll around to get it out of our system, but the 5 million amnesty will be. And more will come.
I can't. It's not legal. But the secret service could save us all.
If the Praetorian Guard starts choosing Presidents, we're finished.
Well, here we are. You've told me in no uncertain terms that it's the Republicans or nothing. I've replied in no uncertain terms that that means it's nothing. Obama's amnesty provides us with a straight up test on a critical issue. I predict that Obama will win. He doesn't have to. The Republicans do, in fact, have the power to stop him. But stopping him would come at a PRICE, and the Republican Party will never pay that price. They won't pay it because what Obama has done does not REALLY hit them in their vital interests. Therefore, they won't fight to the death over it. That's my prediction, and it perfectly follows what I believe Republicans to be. The situation provides us a good short-term test, too: Obama is not delaying anything. He has given the orders and is proceeding directly to his objectives. The Republicans have only two tools at their disposal to stop him: the Supreme Court - which they have controlled continuously since 1969 - and the continuing resolution on the budget, which they can block in the House now, and control from both houses come January. That means government shutdown, which Obama will ignore. The only way to STOP him is to let the government STAY shut and unfunded, all the way to default if that's what it takes. So, now we watch as things develop. If the Republicans are what I say they are, Obama will win. The Supreme Court won't strike him down, the government won't be shut down. Amnesty will be granted.
Can't they arrest him for impersonating a Natural Born Citizen? Legally.
No.
How "strong" a "safety net" do you propose? What criteria? What do you consider "fair tax"? Do you endorse Amnesty, and if you do, whose obligation is it to finance it?
#14. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#9)
Vic: " Also, there are plenty of Christians in the Democrat party who really don't like the babykilling or the sodomy,"
#15. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Did they hold onto their gains with say the Brady Bill for starters?
#16. To: A K A Stone (#9)
By definition you can't be a christian and a democrat. Unless you repent of being a democrat.
#17. To: Liberator (#10)
Ok, then in your opinion what or who have prevented the total tyranny and annihilation of the USCON until now?
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#13)
What is a "fair tax"? A tax which taxes each individual's total wealth at the same percentage as it taxes everybody else, and that is set at the level necessary to fund all levels of government with no deficit, and with a sufficient surplus to eventually pay off all government debt.
#19. To: Liberator (#11)
Your dream Party is impossible to establish in contemporary USA.
#20. To: Liberator (#12)
The Dems have steadily advanced their subversive agenda
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#17)
(Edited)
What would total tyranny and annihilation look like? North Korea?
#22. To: Liberator (#14)
Vic, THE defining litmus tests of being a Dem these days is:
#23. To: Liberator (#18)
If we were starting from scratch you might have a good case and concept. It sure does appear you're supporting a strong Christian-Socialist state with heavy regs...
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
It isn't subversive. It's out in the open. They want full blown secular socialism, and they are implementing it over time through their control of the political process. The Party of Plutocrats, the GOP, hasn't stopped them in large part because they don't WANT to stop them. The plutocrats only want to SLOW DOWN the Democrats, so that they can reposition themselves to get the contracts and enjoy the monetary gains from the Democrat policy.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
(Edited)
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
(Edited)
A new party CAN start from scratch. That's the whole point.
#27. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#13)
Employers who hire illegals need to be fined heavily, to remove all economic incentive for hiring them.
#28. To: nolu chan, Vicomte13 (#27)
The problem is an enforcement mechanism. The employer must have an an available and reliable way to verify the status of prospective employees. Employees can readily provide bogus documents/information and get government acceptance and benefits.
#29. To: Liberator (#24)
(Edited)
I keep on trying to impress this point upon you -- conservative Pubbies do NOT and have not ever controlled the GOP's agenda, or its leadership (other than Reagan)...
#30. To: Liberator (#26)
The Conservatives of the GOP can't break the Rockefeller/GOPe hold of power and "leadership," yet you expect a brand new moralist party to waltz in and shake things up?
#31. To: nolu chan (#27)
This is the solution. The problem is an enforcement mechanism. The employer must have an an available and reliable way to verify the status of prospective employees. Employees can readily provide bogus documents/information and get government acceptance and benefits.
#32. To: Liberator, 2 + 2 equals 5, D 'n R Common Core (#24)
100% of the Dems + 50% of the GOPe = 100% advancement of anti-Constitutional Dem-Socialism-Statism-Globalism
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
Common Core?
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#29)
They [conservative Pubbies] didn't [control the GOP] under Reagan either.
#35. To: Liberator (#34)
#36. To: Vicomte13 (#35)
The Republican brand is corrupt and tainted, and I won't associate with it.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Just the other day you said you would support Huckabee. You also said you could maybe vote for Cruz.
#38. To: Vicomte13 (#35)
I would like to see a different outcome, but folks like you have divided your efforts - you want a certain outcome AND you want it to be the Republicans who bear the standard. You can only have one of those things, though, and in the end, you've chosen the Republican standard.
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#35)
You're a Republican loyalist and will remain one all of your life. Reagan did the GOP good service in that regard.
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
Well, it's never going to happen. The Democrats want the voters. The Republican plutocrats want the labor, and will never accept EMPLOYERS getting financially gutted for making excessive, illegal profits. Rather, the Republicans will focus on tormenting the poor immigrants, and the Democrats will let them, to an extent, in order to highlight why the Democrats are better.
#41. To: nolu chan (#40)
#42. To: Vicomte13 (#41)
Executive Orders are executed by the Executive Branch, which will indeed be carried out.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
For example, Congress can pass a law stopping it dead in its tracks, provided they have the votes to do so.
#44. To: Vicomte13 (#43)
Given the division of Congress, the only way that Obama can really be stopped is by using the tools of paralysis: Supreme Court, or government shutdown.
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#41)
Executive Orders are executed by the Executive Branch, which will indeed be carried out.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)
That isn't the only. way. I can think of at least one other way.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#44)
That isn't the only. way. I can think of at least one other way.
#48. To: CZ82 (#45)
And can also be changed/repealed by future presidents.
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#47)
That isn't the only. way. I can think of at least one other way. What is it?
#50. To: A K A Stone (#49)
It's not legal. But the secret service could save us all.
#51. To: Liberator (#39)
#52. To: Vicomte13 (#50)
It's not legal. But the secret service could save us all. If the Praetorian Guard starts choosing Presidents, we're finished.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#52)
Can't they arrest him for impersonating a Natural Born Citizen? Legally.
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