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Title: Pope Francis says Big Bang theory and evolution 'compatible with divine Creator'
Source: telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... tible-with-divine-Creator.html
Published: Oct 28, 2014
Author: By Nick Squires
Post Date: 2014-10-28 13:42:04 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 61657
Comments: 132

Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago 'doesn't contradict' divine Creator but 'demands it', says pontiff

The theory of the Big Bang is compatible with the Catholic Church's teaching on creation and belief in both is possible, Pope Francis has said. The Pope insisted that God was responsible for the Big Bang, from which all life then evolved.

The Big Bang - the theory that the universe was born in a cosmic explosion about 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded and evolved since - "doesn't contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it," the Pope said.

The beginning of the world was not "the work of chaos" but part of a divine plan by the Creator, he said.

The Jesuit Pope made the remarks during an address to a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature".

"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve," he told the meeting.

God should not be regarded as some sort of "magician", waving a magic wand, he said.

"When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," he said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one so they would reach fulfilment." The Pope's remarks were in line with Catholic Church teaching of the last few decades.

As far back as 1950, Pope Pius XII said that there was no intrinsic conflict between Catholic doctrine and the theory of evolution, provided that Catholics believed that the human soul was created by God and not the result of random evolutionary forces.

That stance was affirmed in 1996 by Pope John Paul II.

"The Pope's declaration is significant," said Giovanni Bignami, the president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics.

"We are the descendants of the Big Bang, which created the universe. You just have to think that in our blood we have a few litres of hydrogen, which was created by the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

"Our blood is red because it contains iron, which was created by the explosion of a star millions and millions of years ago. Out of creation came evolution."

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.

4 givan 1  posted on  2014-10-28   13:46:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: 4 givan 1 (#1)

This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me. I still disagree with major aspects of that religion, but common sense being expressed by one of the largest Christian churches is a welcome thing to see.

By the way, I am not Christian or a Catholic, but I was raised in that church leaving it after the ceremony of Confirmation which I had agreed to go through.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2014-10-28   14:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike, jwpegler (#2)

Evolution isn't compatible with science.

No one has ever documented it happening in anyplace on earth in any fashion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-10-28   15:35:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)

"Evolution isn't compatible with science."

Sorry, I profoundly disagree with you on that point.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2014-10-29   1:11:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

Sorry, I profoundly disagree with you on that point.

That's fine. Now lets look at the evidence and see if there are any conflicts. Lets start with one I had up thread.

The Bible says that there was no death before sin. If evolution is true. And it goes back "millions of years". The Bible goes back much shorter of a time. I haven't added it up but they say under 10,000. Years of history in the Bible. So if you go back 10,000 years. You have Adam and Eve. You have God telling them that there was no death before sin. No death before they ate the forbidden fruit. So for your view to be correct. There would have to have been no death before when Adam and Eve were here 10,000 years ago. So your position would have to be that there was no death unil 10,000 or so years ago.

Mike lets let bygones be bygones and debate honestly. It isn't enough for you to just spout off that you don't agree. You have to be logical in what that means. I think that is fair.

So do you think there was no death until 10,000 years ago?

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-10-29   1:47:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#11)

I haven't added it up but they say under 10,000. Years of history in the Bible.

The writers in the Bible didn't try to get history “right” in the same sense as say author of an academic textbook does. What they did was interpreted the past in their place and time, for their own communities, to answer their own questions of faith.

Why else does the Bible contains two very different “histories” of Israel and why is there four Gospels that recount Jesus’ life differently?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2014-10-29   12:39:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

Why else does the Bible contains two very different “histories” of Israel and why is there four Gospels that recount Jesus’ life differently?

I am not aware of two different histories for Israel. Can you point me out to what you are talking about?

Also the four Gospels don't recount Jesus life differently. They tell what they saw from their vantage point. Just like if me and you went to a party. We wouldn't tell it the same way. You may have talked to some people that I didn't or you may have looked at different paintings on the wall then me. I use that as an example.

Regardless could you please point me out to what you think are differences. Maybe we can come to an understanding.

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