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At the end of September, Alton Nolen (aka Jah-Keem Yisrael) walked into his former place of employment after trying to convert fellow employees to Islam and began stabbing a woman, eventually decapitating her and went after another employee before being brought down by Mark Vaughn, the former CEO of the company, with shots from his gun. Jah-Keen Yisrael attended Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, a mosque that has called for the destruction of the United States and Israel and taught to Islamic doctrine of the Caliphate. Like a good Muslim supporter, Barack Obama took time to write a letter to the mosque and have it hand delivered by and Obama administration official while ignoring the funeral of Yisrael’s victim.

During a prayer service at the mosque, the imam read to his congregation the words of Hussein Obama.

“Your service is a powerful example of the powerful roots of the Abrahamic faiths and how our communities can come together with shared peace with dignity and a sense of justice,” Obama wrote.

The imam also said during his sermon that the Islamic faith has been called a “cancer that needs to be cut off from the American society.”

Well friends, let me be frank, it is a cancer and it does need to be cut off not only from American society, but from all socieities. In fact, to praise this mosque for their “service” being a “powerful example” for producing a man that carried out Islamic jihad, beheading a woman and stabbing another, is absolutely sickening. And don’t tell me Islam doesn’t teach this stuff! It does, as we’ve recounted over and over and over again.

Let’s be clear here. Islam is not an “Abrahamic faith.” It is a God damned ideology that flies in the face of the God of Abraham. How do I know that? Listen to the words of the Lord as he spoke to Abraham about who His promise would come through:

And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. –Genesis 17:18-21

The promise of God, which was the Messiah (Gal. 3:16), came through the line of Isaac, not Ishmael, who became the father of the Arab world. Only those that have the faith of Abraham are the sons of Abraham:

Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. –Galatians 3:6-9

Do you understand? Islam rejects the Lord Jesus. I know they call him a prophet, but they reject the incarnation, that the Word took on Flesh and dwelt among men (Immanuel, God with us). Such people are antichrists, according to John, the apostle that Jesus loved. Antichrist is not a person, it’s a doctrine one holds.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1Jo 2:22

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1Jo 4:3

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2Jo 1:7

Barack Obama is known for his lies and Islam is known for its deception and practice of taqiyyah. This is nothing new, but it does need to be pointed out. Islam is not an Abrahamic faith, but a doctrine of demons.

Yet, Barack Obama, like his predecessor George W. Bush, would have you believe that Islam is equal with Christianity. It is not.

The faith of America’s fathers was not Islam. In fact, it was anti-Islamic. Just recall what America was founded upon in the words of the Pilgrims in the Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

Finally, Megyn Kelly recently interviewed an alleged Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City mosque attendee, which is worth your time to watch:

(Watch Kelly's comments at link.)


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#1. To: ibjensen (#0)

" How horrifying if we have to put up with the rest of this parasite's term. "

Prepare to be horrified. I do not see him leaving early.

stoner  posted on  2014-10-11   12:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace  


#2. To: ibjensen (#0)

Your fanatic jesus only position is JUST AS bad as fanatic Islam.

The only difference is the beheading... But you and your ilk would likely resort to that as well given the opportunity.

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

YOU have no moral authority here.

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   12:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace  


#3. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

Now, the Nazi and Christians are words for the same people. You bigots make many people sad for you and others who have their minds totally warped

Don  posted on  2014-10-11   14:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#4. To: Goldi-Lox, ibjensen, Bob Celeste, redleghunter, stoner, Vicomte13, listener, sneakypete, ALL LP Christians (#2) (Edited)

Goldi-Lox: "Your fanatic jesus only position is JUST AS bad as fanatic Islam.

The only difference is the beheading... But you and your ilk would likely resort to that as well given the opportunity.

That's "Jesus," with a capital "J," you fanatical Jihadist.

Dear fellow Christians -- now you know. Militant atheists like sneakypete and Jews like our own Goldi-Lox believe YOU lack only the hatchet or sword of the Muslim barbarians; They believe YOU and your families are barbarians; Your Bible the same as the Koran; Your Jesus no different than Allah.

Goldi, Jesus' "position" -- as a Jew whose knowledge of Jewish Law as a Rabbi was unparallelled -- was widely documented and disseminated via multiple testimony within the New Testament of the Holy Bible. The doctrine of Jesus Christ is unassailable, as is His honor, His integrity, and especially MORAL AUTHORITY. His teachable legacy is too voluminous to repeat here -- even heathens, Muslims, Atheists, and most secular/religion Jews acknowledge his Sermon on the Mount and Beatitude as THE perfect sermon, without a flaw.

Well folks, unfortunately here you have yet another ugly Christian-Hating jihadist bigot coming out of the closet...incredibly comparing Islam to Christianity. Goldi, tell us how YOU are a "victim" of "Jesus Christ." And why your planned revenge and unbridled hatred can't nor shouldn't be contained?

According to Goldi-Lox, YOU Christians are NO different than a Muzzie whose fantasy is implementing Sharia Law.

According to Goldi-Lox, YOU Christians are no different than any Muzzie because she also indicts YOU as wanting to convert non-Christians (and especially self-serving, fascist Jews) by the sword enmass.

It must also be news to you that as a Christian, someone like Gold-Lox believes YOU would decapitate her and all non-Christians...IF you could? (yes, it's news to me as well.)

Moreover, according to Goldi, sneakypete (and other liberals), you Christians ("if given the opportunity") want beat, slaughter and execute children, women and men -- for disbelieving in Christianity. Because they believe Jesus would have wanted that. Yes, even Goldi believes the Leftist/satanic lies and propaganda that Christians' goal is to transform the USA into a Theocracy (*quadruple eyeball roll*)

I am going to repeat this as well: The Goldis of the world, the sneakypetes, the meguros, and all the other militant atheists, Darwinists, militant Jews and Muzzies, Commie-humanists, and other deluded liberals would execute YOU and I in a minute. Yes, that's the little secret they won't tell you.

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

I am limited by time and space here with which to counter your sick, twisted delusion and historical revisionism...Somehow you nuts believe YOUR people were the only ones to bleed, be tortured, slaughtered, executed, maimed and died during WWII?? Rats, traitors, and liars will continue doing so. Labeling themselves In Name Only. That's nothing new under the sun.

NOTE: To be a "Christian" or follower of the doctrine and Gospel of Jesus Christ one is to act, live, help and love his fellow man. And be repentant. Does THAT sound like Hitler and the Nazis? OR more like the Christian American Founding Fathers?

Should we all pretend the Holocaust happened just yesterday, and feel guilty by osmosis, association, or as a matter of extension of our DNA? Plantation Blacks hang onto slavery. And indicting/loathing/blaming everyone every day of your miserable lives.

Hitler and his Nazis were known Cultists who declared themselves their own god, declared themselves "The Master Race." They HATED Christians. (missed that part of history, eh?) MENSA...almost forgot.

Not unlike the American Civil War in which over a half million white Christian soldiers paid the price in blood during a war in which slaves were freed, their sacrifice is still largely ignored; It was mostly CHRISTIAN soldiers who liberated millions of Jews and non-Jews in Europe. You are BOTH ingrate groups of victims-forever who subvert the Truth. It's been Christians who've kept the peace since; It's been American Christians who've lobbied heavily for protection of Israel's back as a deterrent to yearly Muslim invasions -- and THAT is THE truth, you delusional witch. Your own fellow monied, positioned Jews in Hollywood and NYC?? Not so much. In fact, NOT AT ALL.

YOU have no moral authority here. YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

Yes, and you've just indiscriminately spit on and insulted EVERY Christian here, while vomiting all over your own post, thread, and forum.

What an absolute and utter disgrace and embarrassment this is. I am ashamed to be associated with an anti-Christian bigot and hater all these years.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   15:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#5. To: Don, Goldi-Lox (#3)

Now, the Nazi and Christians are words for the same people.

You bigots make many people sad for you and others who have their minds totally warped

So now the new equation trotted out by these warped lunatics is:

Nazis = Christians = Muzzies.

It's a hatred that's sad, sick,and twisted, but emblematic of the End Times script. Christians are and will be persecuted in the Last Days. We are there.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   15:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace  


#6. To: ibjensen (#0)

The faith of America’s fathers was not Islam. In fact, it was anti-Islamic.

Just recall what America was founded upon in the words of the Pilgrims in the Mayflower Compact...

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

"Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic..."

HEAR HEAR!

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   15:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#7. To: liberator (#5)

Oh, yes, we are, but Christians have the blessed hope to see them through the rough days ahead.

Don  posted on  2014-10-11   15:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#8. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

Goldi,to be fair,they also murdered an unknown to me,but huge number of Christian Europeans that were homosexuals,minor criminals,ones with emotional/mental problems,Priests that didn't play along,and just people who were sick or elderly and a drain on the economy.

The Nazis AND the Soviets did this on a daily basis.

AND......,BOTH the Nazi's and the Soviets had Jews working with them and helping the things they did. Some even ended up hugely wealthy with no Nuremberg Trial appearances ,such as the Albright's and George Soros.

Extremism should always be called out and identified as the monster it is. No one culture has a patent on it.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   16:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#9. To: liberator (#4) (Edited)

That's "Jesus," with a capital "J," you fanatical Jihadist.

Now GOLDI is a fanatical Jihadist?

If anybody on this board is operating from a Jihad POV,it is you,Buckwheat.

YOU are the only one here wanting to use the force of government to punish American citizens that violate the religious viewpoints of YOUR religious cult.

I can't wait to hear you explain to us how your religion is a religion of love and tolerance for others,a "Religion of Peace".

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   16:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#10. To: Don (#7)

but Christians have the blessed hope to see them through the rough days ahead

WHICH Christians?

After all,there must be dozens of Christian cults,and all have different beliefs.

Do Mormons have "blessed hope"?

How about Mennonites?

Holy Rollers?

Orthodox Catholics?

Non-Orthodox Catholics?

Baptists

Presbyterians?

Episcopalians?

Or any one of dozens of other cults?

Please be specific. I would hate to think I could fake a last-minute conversion to keep from being hanged by my neighbors,and it not be a conversion to an officially recognized by Jesus cult.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   16:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace  


#11. To: liberator (#4)

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

We just had a poster who's 89 year old father passed away, his father served in the Marines during WW2. It must be news to the old gentlemen that he "looked the other way" during that conflict.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   17:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace  


#12. To: sneakypete (#9)

Now GOLDI is a fanatical Jihadist?

Yeah. Just like you. An closet anti-Christian jihadist who joins you in agreement that Islam = Christianity.

YOU are the only one here wanting to use the force of government to punish American citizens that violate the religious viewpoints of YOUR religious cult.

Who is "punishing" WHOM?? How can America's Christians (the same ones who just happen to be singled out for harassment BY the regime's anti-Christian Leftist/Atheist/Homo/bureaucrats) hope to pull off your cartoonish delusion?

Or are you still crusading hard for the charade of Homo-Marriage again for the upteeneth time? LOL

I can't wait to hear you explain to us how your religion is a religion of love and tolerance for others,a "Religion of Peace".

Really??

Well Grasshopper it ALL began with the Christian Founding Fathers who all met, discussed and implemented a Constitution and Bill of Rights. They collectively decided America that although the vast majority of Americans were in fact "Christians," they would NOT compel immigrants to adhere to a State Religion of "Christianity." The end result was immigration, tolerance, and respect for the new immigrant WITHOUT mandatory compulsion to BE a Christian.

If you need a translator or interpreter to help you comprehend the above concept, please consult byeltsin. HE might be able to best help you with your short attention span and "special needs."

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   17:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace  


#13. To: sneakypete (#9)

Now GOLDI is a fanatical Jihadist?

If anybody on this board is operating from a Jihad POV, it is you,Buckwheat.

YOU are the only one here wanting to use the force of government to punish American citizens that violate the religious viewpoints of YOUR religious cult.

The AIPAC contingent has been all about forcing their religion's foreign policy on the US. When the AIPAC two percent forces their religion on the rest of us the price America pays is very high.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   17:16:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace  


#14. To: fallujah nuker, Chuck_Wagon (#11)

We just had a poster who's 89 year old father passed away, his father served in the Marines during WW2. It must be news to the old gentlemen that he "looked the other way" during that conflict.

Yup. All those "Christian" Nazi bullets whizzing by the hero Marine's ears, watching fellow Christian American soldiers falling...

I doubt very much that this young Christian Marine looked the "other way" -- nevermind actually HELPING the German onslaught. How does someone like Goldi or Marguerite ignore that?

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   17:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace  


#15. To: fallujah nuker (#13)

The AIPAC contingent has been all about forcing their religion's foreign policy on the US. When the AIPAC two percent forces their religion on the rest of us the price America pays is very high.

At higher echelon commands, AIPAC, CAIR, and the LGTB have combined to dictate and supersede what's best for America. In the name of PC/international insanity.

Funny, but I don't see an "Fundie" group making any military demands --- because at this army's foreign-run, effete forces, Christians are designated to be nothing be cannon fodder.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   17:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace  


#16. To: sneakypete, Don (#10)

Don, you'll have to write off the creepy, decrepit bull's LSD induced idiocy.

His Atheist Jihad makes him sooo excited, he's close to assigning meguro his Best Man for their planned overnight stay the Atheists-Homo Marriage Crusade Convention. It'll be held at a lovely turn onto Turnpike Exit 13A truck stop in New Jersey (a quiet spot behind the mens room trailer has been reserved.)

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   17:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#17. To: (#0)

Now, all of you Christians shut you yapping for a moment and listen: Goldi has a point.

Europe and America back in the 1930s for the most part claimed to be Christians. The Soviets had stopped doing that in Russia, but everybody else claimed to be Christian, and even though Hitler's personal beliefs were more of a sort of mysstical wild Germanic paganism, he nevertheless spoke in terms of Christianity, and he invoked Christianity at times to appeal to a certain type of German Christian - the same type that we have in America who confuse their passion for their country - which does not and never did have one damned thing to do with God - and their fond feelings about God and religion.

Hitler rounded up Jews and started wars, and Christians' Christianity was so weak that they preferred their nationalism, their politics, their money, their power, their social structure - every other goddamned thing - over their duty as Christians to stand together and put their nations and their laws and their devotion TO their nations and laws in second place behind God and his laws.

Christians do it today to, when it comes to the same thing: mass murder of innocent people. This time they're babies, so they don't have the money, organization or permanent lawyerly mouth of the Jews to badger everybody about their own deaths - the way the Jews do - but in both cases it's the CHRISTIANS who are SUPPOSED to bring down their own governments and wreck the social order and everything RATHER THAN be pawns in a game of evil.

Christianity in the 1930s was absolutely WORTHLESS in Europe and America. The Americans were practicing apartheid and the Europeans were either rounding up Jews and other "undesirables", OR they were turning the other way, holding onto their money, singing their national anthems and raising all sorts of legal objections.

Christians did not stand up, en masse, AS Christians and bring down their states, either Germany OR England OR America demanding that stopping the brutality and the evil be FIRST, over economics and power politics.

And so the Jews, and others, died en masse, in Christian countries all, because Christians' Christianity wasn't ultimately worth a shit.

The Christians? The REAL ones? Those German priests and ministers who died because they preached against the evils that were being done. THOSE were the Christians. They should not have had to die, or even be at risk, because real Christians are supposed to KNOW ALL THAT ALREADY, and overthrow their governments immediately rather than cooperate with evil.

In the end, "Christian" Europe and America really were mostly idolators in love with their countries, money and power far more than with God and his laws.

But they still called themselves "Christians" anyway, and the REAL Christians preached forlornly at them, and then were arrested and killed in Germany, and the "Christians" actually obeyed their gauleiters instead of rising up and throwing down their government over those pastors and priests.

Christianity proved its worthlessness as a mass religion in World War II.

No, the CHRISTIANS didn't ACTUALLY do any of that. Nobody who rounds up people and kills them, or stands by and lets it happen, is ACTUALLY loved by God or Christ or ACTUALLY follows Christ. Remember the FIRST thing on the FIRST list of people who will be thrown into the fire, according to Jesus on the last page of Revelations? COWARDS. COWARDS are rejected by God and thrown into hell.

"Christians" in Europe and America were braver for their COUNTRIES than they were for their GOD, and so forever more Jews will, rightly, look at the soi- disant "Christians" and see feckless moral cowardice.

The only way to expunge that is for Christians to actually BE Christian, and that means putting the non-Christians OUT of their Churches.

But that's not happening. Didn't happen then, when most people claimed to believe. Certainly isn't going to happen now, when more and more people have thrown off the pretence.

Goldi is not wrong. Her blow lands true. Christians should shut up and wonder why they collectively are such cowards when it comes to tearing down their states and destroying their political systems when those states and systems demand that those Christians do evil.

Jesus said that cowards are thrown into the fire. In fact, cowards are the FIRST people Jesus named on the list of the damned. The FIRST.

Goldi isn't right that the Christians killed all those people in World War II. But she IS nevertheless right that Christianity was a useless, helpless, feckless pile of s**t as a religion to resist Naziism. Naziism was destroyed by two forces; Soviet Communism, primarily, and Western NATIONALISM (not Christianity) and militarism, secondarily. Christianity's strong, stern voice was only really heard out of German pastors who were slaughtered quickly. And the rest of the Christians sided with their states and laws and money rather than their God.

God lost World War II.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-11   17:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

Now, all of you Christians shut you yapping for a moment and listen: Goldi has a point.

No she doesn't.

God lost World War II.

Nope. Man engaged in his own free will through humanist leadership. Lost his soul. Ignored it's Christian underpinnings and morals...then murdered, executed, maimed, murdered, destroyed himself.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-11   17:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace  


#19. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

jesus only freaks

What's the criteria for eternity !

Biblical rituals - prophecy !

Jesus only ... I would not want to face God - judgement --- with out Him !

byeltsin  posted on  2014-10-11   17:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace  


#20. To: liberator (#4)

Now try to justify the Inquisition!

That too was a murderous Christian pogram aimed at non- Christian people, specifically Jews. And routed out the Arabs.

Were their torture Chambers, stretching machines, iron maidens, boiling oil, and other perverted acts a symptom of a loving forgiving God.???

Barbarism is not new, and not limited to only jesus- only faiths... It's a symptom of supreme arrogance. However, it has occurred most frequently in faiths that insist THEIRS is THE ONLY TRUE WAY.

One does not see the same mindless savagery in Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish faiths.

That savagery is limited to jesus, and mohammed followers.

History is the proof. Just read it. I just cite it as evidence.

You really need to deal with it... Or it will just happen again.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   18:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#21. To: sneakypete (#10)

I used the word, Christian, not denomination.

Don  posted on  2014-10-11   18:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

Goldi isn't right

God lost World War II.

I agree with the first statement. The second is to attempt to place Him in a fight He stayed out of as near as I can tell.

These mentioned groups are not really the parties to question. For instance were "all" Nazis evil? Ones who were evil were and are to this day. Are "all" Christians good? The ones that are good are. Duh! Are there any bad eggs? Yes. Are all Jews bad? The ones that stoned Stephen were very misled and that included Saul of Tarsus. Who killed the Messiah? The Jews that denied Jesus as Messiah killed Him with the Romans help. Were all Jews bad? Jesus was a Jew.

It is not the groups that will be accountable when we are all judged. The group will consist of one. One group made up of one person at a time. It is ironic to me that Goldi got all hysterical about Jesus Only Types . That concept is what got Jesus murdered and Stephen stoned and countless others starting with the pogrom carried out by the Jews against Jesus Only people. Jesus forgave the very ones who pierced His hands and He wept for Jerusalem because they would suffer for nor recognizing Him as the chief corner stone and the were the builders God had set up to deliver the Messiah. Somethings never change. God is not going to lose wars, he lets us do that one at a time, but we will answer for it.

Forgotten holocaust.

The killing of 1.5m Armenians by the Ottoman Turks during World War I remains one of the bloodiest and most contentious events of the 20th century, and has been called the first modern genocide.

In all, 25 concentration camps were set up in a systematic slaughter aimed at eradicating the Armenian people - classed as "vermin" by the Turks.

Winston Churchill described the massacres as an "administrative holocaust" and noted: "This crime was planned and executed for political reasons. The opportunity presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race."

Chillingly, Adolf Hitler used the episode to justify the Nazi murder of six million Jews, saying in 1939: "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

Yet, carried out under the cover of war, the Armenian genocide remains shrouded in mystery - not least because modern-day Turkey refuses to acknowledge the existence of its killing fields.

Now, new photographs of the horror have come to light. They come from the archives of the German Deutsche Bank, which was working in the region financing a railway network when the killing began.

Unearthed by award-winning war correspondent Robert Fisk, they were taken by employees of the bank to document the terror unfolding before them.

They show young men, crammed into cattle trucks, waiting to travel to their deaths. The Turks crowded 90 starving and terrified Armenians into each wagon, the same number the Nazis averaged in their transports to the death camps of Eastern Europe during the Jewish Holocaust.

Behind each grainy image lies a human tragedy. Destitute women and children stare past the camera, witness to untold savagery.

Almost all young women were raped according to Fisk, while older women were beaten to death - they did not merit the expense of a bullet. Babies were left by the side of the road to die.

Often, attractive young Armenian girls were sent to Turkish harems, where some lived in enforced prostitution until the mid-1920s.

Many other archive photographs testify to the sheer brutality suffered by the Armenians: children whose knee tendons were severed, a young woman who starved to death beside her two small children, and a Turkish official taunting starving Armenian children with a loaf of bread.

Eyewitness accounts are even more graphic. Foreign diplomats posted in the Ottoman Empire at the time told of the atrocities, but were powerless to act.

One described the concentration camps, saying: "As on the gates of Dante's Hell, the following should be written at the entrance of these accursed encampments: 'You who enter, leave all hopes.'"

So how exactly did the events of 1915-17 unfold? Just as Hitler wanted a Nazi-dominated world that would be Judenrein - cleansed of its Jews - so in 1914 the Ottoman Empire wanted to construct a Muslim empire that would stretch from Istanbul to Manchuria.

Armenia, an ancient Christian civilisation spreading out from the eastern end of the Black Sea, stood in its way.

At the turn of the 20th century, there were two million Christian Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Already, 200,000 had been killed in a series of pogroms - most of them brutally between 1894 and 1896.

In November 1914, the Ottoman Empire entered World War I against the Allies and launched a disastrous military campaign against Russian forces in the Caucasus. It blamed defeat on the Armenians, claiming they had colluded with the Russians.

A prominent Turkish writer at the time described the war as "the awaited day" when the Turks would exact "revenge, the horrors of which have not yet been recorded in history".

Through the final months of 1914, the Ottoman government put together a number of "Special Organisation" units, armed gangs consisting of thousands of convicts specifically released from prison for the purpose.

These killing squads of murderers and thieves were to perpetrate the greatest crimes in the genocide. They were the first state bureaucracy to implement mass killings for the purpose of race extermination. One army commander described them at the time as the "butchers of the human species".

On the night of April 24, 1915 - the anniversary of which is marked by Armenians around the world - the Ottoman government moved decisively, arresting 250 Armenian intellectuals. This was followed by the arrest of a further 2,000.

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armenian massacre

Some died from torture in custody, while many were executed in public places. The resistance poet, Daniel Varoujan, was found disembowelled, with his eyes gouged out.

One university professor was made to watch his colleagues have their fingernails and toenails pulled

out, before being blinded. He eventually lost his mind, and was let loose naked into the streets.

There were reports of crucifixions, at which the Turks would torment their victims: "Now let your Christ come and help you!"

Johannes Lepsius, a German pastor who tried to protect the Armenians, said: "The armed gangs saw their main task as raiding and looting Armenian villages. If the men escaped their grasp, they would rape the women."

So began a carefully orchestrated campaign to eradicate the Armenians. Throughout this period, Ottoman leaders deceived the world, orchestrating the slaughter using code words in official telegrams.

At later war crimes trials, several military officers testified that the word "deportation" was used to mean "massacre" or "annihilation".

Between May and August 1915, the Armenian population of the eastern provinces was deported and murdered en masse.

The American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, Henry Morgenthau, said: "Squads of 50 or 100 men would be taken, bound together in groups of four, and marched to a secluded spot.

"Suddenly the sound of rifle shots would fill the air. Those sent to bury the bodies would find them almost invariably stark naked, for, as usual, the Turks had stolen all their clothes."

In urban areas, a town crier was used to deliver the deportation order, and the entire male population would be taken outside the city limits and killed - "slaughtered like sheep".

Women and children would then be executed, deported to concentration camps or simply turned out into the deserts and left to starve to death.

An American diplomat described the deportations or death marches: "A massacre, however horrible the word may sound, would be humane in comparison with it."

An eyewitness who came upon a convoy of deportees reported that the women implored him: "Save us! We will become Muslims! We will become Germans! We will become anything you want, just save us! They are going to cut our throats!"

Walking skeletons begged for food, and women threw their babies into lakes rather than hand them over to the Turks.

There was mass looting and pillaging of Armenian goods. It is reported that civilians burned bodies to find the gold coins the Armenians swallowed for safekeeping.

Conditions in the concentration camps were appalling. The majority were located near the modern Iraqi and Syrian frontiers, in the desert between Jerablus and Deir ez-Zor - described as "the epicentre of death". Up to 70,000 Armenians were herded into each camp, where dysentery and typhus were rife.

There, they were left to starve or die of thirst in the burning sun, with no shelter. In some cases, the living were forced to eat the dead. Few survived.

In four days alone, from 10-14 June 1915, the gangs 'eliminated' some 25,000 people in the Kemah Erzincan area alone.

In September 1915, the American consul in Kharput, Leslie A. Davis, reported discovering the bodies of nearly 10,000 Armenians dumped into several ravines near beautiful Lake Goeljuk, calling it the "slaughterhouse province".

Tales of atrocity abound. Historians report that the killing squads dashed infants on rocks in front of their mothers.

One young boy remembered his grandfather, the village priest, kneeling down to pray for mercy before the Turks. Soldiers beheaded him, and played football with the old man's decapitated head before his devastated family.

At the horrific Ras-ul-Ain camp near Urfa, two German railway engineers reported seeing three to four hundred women arrive in one day, completely naked. One witness told how Sergeant Nuri, the overseer of the camp, bragged about raping children.

An American, Mrs Anna Harlowe Birge, who was travelling from Smyrna to Constantinople, wrote in November 1915: "At every station where we stopped, we came side by side with one of these trains. It was made up of cattle trucks, and the faces of little children were looking out from behind the tiny barred windows of each truck."

In her memoir, Ravished Armenia, Aurora Mardiganian described being raped and thrown into a harem. From a wealthy banking family, she was just one of thousands of Armenian girls to suffer a similar fate. Many were eventually killed and discarded.

In the city of Malatia, she saw 16 girls crucified, vultures eating their corpses. "Each girl had been nailed alive upon her cross, spikes through her feet and hands," Mardiganian wrote. "Only their hair blown by the wind covered their bodies."

In another town, she reports that the killing squads played "the game of swords" with young Armenian girls, planting their weapons in the ground and throwing their victims onto the protruding blade in sport.

Elsewhere, bodies tied to each other drifted down the Euphrates. And in the Black Sea region, the Armenians were herded onto boats and then thrown overboard.

In the desert regions, the Turks set up primitive gas chambers, stuffing Armenians into caves and asphyxiating them with brush fires.

Everywhere, there were Armenian corpses: in lakes and rivers, in empty desert cisterns and village wells. Travellers reported that the stench of death pervaded the landscape.

One Turkish gendarme told a Norwegian nurse serving in Erzincan that he had accompanied a convoy of 3,000 people. Some were summarily executed in groups along the way; those too sick or exhausted to march were killed where they fell. He concluded: "They're all gone, finished."

By 1917, the Armenian 'problem', as it was described by Ottoman leaders, had been thoroughly "resolved". Muslim families were brought in to occupy empty villages.

Even after the war, the Ottoman ministers were not repentant. In 1920, they praised those responsible for the genocide, saying: "These things were done to secure the future of our homeland, which we know is greater and holier than even our own lives."

The British government pushed for those responsible for the killing to be punished, and in 1919 a war crimes tribunal was set up.

The use of the word "genocide" in describing the massacre of Armenians has been hotly contested by Turkey. Ahead of the nation's accession to the EU, it is even more politically inflammatory.

The official Turkish position remains that 600,000 or so Armenians died as a result of war. They deny any state intention to wipe out Armenians and the killings remain taboo in the country, where it is illegal to use the term genocide to describe the events of those bloody years.

Internationally, 21 countries have recognised the killings as genocide under the UN 1948 definition. Armenian campaigners believe Turkey should be denied EU membership until it admits responsibility for the massacres.

Just as in the Nazi Holocaust, there were many tales of individual acts of great courage by Armenians and Turks alike.

Haji Halil, a Muslim Turk, kept eight members of his mother's Armenian family safely hidden in his home, risking death.

In some areas, groups of Kurds followed the deportation convoys and saved as many people as they could. Many mothers gave their children to Turkish and Kurdish families to save them from death.

The Governor-General of Aleppo stood up to Ottoman officials and tried to prevent deportations from his region, but failed.

He later recalled: "I was like a man standing by a river without any means of rescue. But instead of water, the river flowed with blood and thousands of innocent children, blameless old men, helpless women and strong young people all on their way to destruction.

"Those I could seize with my hands I saved. The others, I assume, floated downstream, never to return."

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   18:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace  


#23. To: sneakypete (#8)

Very true.

However, the hypocrisy of those Bible thumpers who act so innocent of past atrocities, are acting as if the jihad fighters today are new and unique in their savagery. They pale in comparison to what these same "Christians" did in the Crusades, the, Inquisition, and in Nazi Germany.

Those of us who have felt the sting of silent prejudice know that only our societal culture prevents the same murderous actions today.

I have no love for murdering Muslims, but I can't stand by and see jesus only fanatics act shocked and horrified by what is also a part of their history.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   18:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#24. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

YOU have no moral authority here.

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

I do not know where to start, there are so many sad things coming to mind. For instance. I wish you could have met my extended family that has passed on. At least key ones like my grandmother. The exquisite, gentle, nurturing soul that loved books and plants and children who never would tolerate what she called ugly words like "crap" to be used in her presence. She loved God and yes ,Jesus. She gave time, money, moral support when she had little to spare. She cared at home for my grandfather for almost thirty years after his mind was hurt in a car crash. She was a model citizen in EVERY sense of the word. There is NO CONNECTION at all in any form or fashion with Christians[like her] with deluded souls who supported Adolf Hitler. To be a Christian, is to be a Christian and is not to be confused with saying I live in a Christian nation. Being in a chicken house does not make you a chicken does it? You have issues with God and His son Jesus, not Christians. All knees will bow, some just do it earlier than others. You do not make me want to vomit, you make me want to try harder to be a better example as a follower of Christ. No harm done here, have a good evening.

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   18:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#25. To: Goldi-Lox (#23) (Edited)

"Christians" did in the Crusades, the, Inquisition, and in Nazi Germany.

Christians In Name Only.

I do not have to make excuse for the actions of evil morons. I do not know them. Did not vote for them. Do not owe them. Do NOT like them. If your name is Goldi Smith are you guilty of ALL traffic violations, thefts and homicides done world wide since people were called Smith? About as logical as the thought pattern you are using. The hijacking of the beauty and peace of Christianity by evil tyrants in the past and the fooling of the ignorant by invoking the name of Jesus to provide a holy sheen to conquest will not pass the sniff when it comes time to answer for it. Crusades, the Inquisition? Not one shred of Christian teaching being implemented no matter how you slice it. I am even more amazed at your feeble attempt to connect the Nazi bone heads to anything even remotely Christian. Where is the substance of that accusation? Gibberish is all that is, poor gibberish at that. Later

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   18:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace  


#26. To: liberator (#12)

Who is "punishing" WHOM?? How can America's Christians (the same ones who just happen to be singled out for harassment BY the regime's anti-Christian Leftist/Atheist/Homo/bureaucrats) hope to pull off your cartoonish delusion?

Now you are just having a hissy-fit because you aren't getting your way,and people are calling you on your insanity.

Or are you still crusading hard for the charade of Homo-Marriage again for the upteeneth time? LOL

Equal treatment under the law for all citizens really burns your ass,doesn't it?

Well Grasshopper it ALL began with the Christian Founding Fathers who all met, discussed and implemented a Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Lying again,and you know it. You only wish those days were back again,when everybody HAD to declare they worshiped a religious deity in order to be able to get elected,hold a job,or even be able to live free.

Yes,SOME of the Founding Fathers were indeed devoutly religious,but a lot of others merely mouthed the words in order to not be tarred and feathered and ran out of town,or even murdered by followers of "The Prince of Peace",like you.

AND....,even then they insisted on separation of church and state because they could see what the mindsets of people like you had done for hundreds of years in Europe.

Which one of us is it that believes in and worships a Holy Spook and hears voices and sees visions,Bubba?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   18:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace  


#27. To: liberator (#14)

How does someone like Goldi or Marguerite ignore that?

They are hostile to the west. Their tribe voted overwhelmingly for Obama, our tribe voted against America. Obama is an enemy of America, their tribe supports him.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   18:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#28. To: fallujah nuker (#13) (Edited)

The AIPAC contingent has been all about forcing their religion's foreign policy on the US.

Maybe,but the real root cause are the triplets know as "lust for power,greed,and profits". They are so intertwined it is hard to determine where one leaves off and another begins.

IMHO,the religious involvement begins when the charlatans in the churches and our government use their "Praise the Lord" chants to raise their army of lemmings to support their eternal wars for profits and power.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   18:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#29. To: listener (#22)

Chillingly, Adolf Hitler used the episode to justify the Nazi murder of six million Jews, saying in 1939: "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

As long as Turkey was Israel' ally Abe Foxman and the ADL wanted that bit of history consigned to the memory hole. The ADL was always opposed to any US government recognition of the Armenian genocide.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   18:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#30. To: liberator (#14)

I doubt very much that this young Christian Marine looked the "other way"

How do you know he was a true-believer Christian?

Maybe he was,and maybe he wasn't,but you are assuming facts not in existence.

There can be no doubt that the Christian Mafia has exerted considerable public pressure to get everyone to CLAIM to be a believer in order to not be ostracized or even physically and verbally attacked. To this very day there are large numbers of people who will identify themselves as "Christians" who haven't been to a religious service or issued a prayer in decades.

Precisely because retarded assholes like you go on mega-attacks any time you find a non-believer,and it's easier to pretend than it is to fight every day.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#31. To: Goldi-Lox (#23)

Sometimes the truth hurts.

You want the truth, the USSR was the creation of your tribe. Your tribe has the blood of tens of millions on their hands in the twentieth century.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#32. To: liberator (#16)

he's close to assigning meguro his Best Man for their planned overnight stay the Atheists-Homo Marriage Crusade Convention.

Don't try to put YOUR fantasies off on me.

Seems to me you are just mad because you thought you had to marry a woman in order to be accepted,and couldn't marry the man of your dreams. Misery loves company,so now you want everyone else to be as miserable as you are.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#33. To: sneakypete (#30)

I doubt very much that this young Christian Marine looked the "other way" How do you know he was a true-believer Christian?

He was White, Goldi specifically included Whites in the list of those she hates. Her tribe is at war with Western civilization, they have been the biggest agitators for flooding the West with people of color to destroy their national identity.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

The only way to expunge that is for Christians to actually BE Christian, and that means putting the non-Christians OUT of their Churches.

But that's not happening.

It's not going to happen,either. It would cut into the influence,wealth,and power of the churches if they did that,and the one thing all the organized religions are all united on is the love of wealth and political power.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace  


#35. To: sneakypete (#28)

The AIPAC contingent has been all about forcing their religion's foreign policy on the US. Maybe,but the real root cause are the triplets know as "lust for power,greed,and profits".

BS. We are involved in the Middle East due to their tribe. It was never in the national interest of America to become embroiled in that region. When American patriots started naming the names of the amen corner their tribe screamed anti-Semitism and said neo-con was a code word for them. Those who've told the truth about this have paid a heavy price, e.g. General George S. Brown.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#36. To: sneakypete (#28)

IMHO,the religious involvement begins when the charlatans in the churches and our government use their "Praise the Lord" chants to raise their army of lemmings to support their eternal wars for profits and power.

Just like Sgt. Joe Friday "Just the Facts", but it is also a fact that charlatans and their lemmings existence do not disprove or prove the Facts about the Bible or God. Abuse of the powers of the Constitution do not make it false, does it?

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   19:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#37. To: fallujah nuker (#29)

The ADL was always opposed to any US government recognition of the Armenian genocide.

Too bad, they should not be forgotten so easily.

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   19:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#38. To: Goldi-Lox (#20)

Now try to justify the Inquisition!

To be fair,he and the other fundies don't call it "The Inquisition".

They call it "The Good Old Days".

That too was a murderous Christian pogram aimed at non- Christian people, specifically Jews. And routed out the Arabs.

Only partially correct. In truth the focus was on other Christians that weren't lap dogs of The Pope. They referred to them as "Hertics" and they were number one on the "pot of flaming oil" list.

Also,for the most part Jews were exempt except in Spain,where they could still survive by just pretending to convert to Christianity and tithing the Holy Mother Church every week. One does not see the same mindless savagery in Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish faiths.

That savagery is limited to jesus, and mohammed followers.

Well,at least that is the perception of those of us who are culturally oriented to the west. In truth the Hindus and Buddists have had their own little religious wars,and need we mention the Jews versus The Pharaohs Games?

EVERY organized religion on the planet has taken part in this type of activity at one time or another because each sees the others as a threat to their wealth and their political power.

You really need to deal with it... Or it will just happen again.

You ain't getting it,Goldi,Lib and his bros WANT it to happen again,and look forward to it.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace  


#39. To: listener (#37)

Too bad, they should not be forgotten so easily.

It was a tragedy. But the Talmud says we goyim are like cattle, they are the ubermensch and everyone else (us) are untermensch. It is a warped view to have, but the US in turn has our foreign policy harnessed in support of such a malignant ideology.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace  


#40. To: Don (#21)

I used the word, Christian, not denomination.

What are you trying to say,that they are all the same?

Or are you trying to claim that YOUR denomination,whichever one that is,is the only true Christian denomination,and all the others are Godless posers?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#41. To: sneakypete (#38)

Only partially correct. In truth the focus was on other Christians that weren't lap dogs of The Pope. They referred to them as "Hertics" and they were number one on the "pot of flaming oil" list.

Also,for the most part Jews were exempt except in Spain,where they could still survive by just pretending to convert to Christianity and tithing the Holy Mother Church every week.

This was before the Reformation, Spain was dealing expelling the last of the Moors from their lands at the time. The Jews were caught up because they were collaborators with the Moors, and were instrumental in the Moorish conquest of Spain. In fact they had a big part in the instigation of the Moorish invasion in the first place, due to Spanish law that forbade the owning of Christian slaves by non-Christians.

When the Moors were booted, those who collaborated with them reaped some payback. That is not unusual, look at what happened to Quisling and Laval who collaborated with foreign invaders.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#42. To: Goldi-Lox (#23)

However, the hypocrisy of those Bible thumpers who act so innocent of past atrocities, are acting as if the jihad fighters today are new and unique in their savagery. They pale in comparison to what these same "Christians" did in the Crusades, the, Inquisition, and in Nazi Germany.

Amazing,ain't it?

Those of us who have felt the sting of silent prejudice know that only our societal culture prevents the same murderous actions today.

I have been fighting this fight since I rebelled in the 5th Grade and told everybody I knew there was no God,and they were worshiping a lie.

Given I had two Holy Roller preachers in my family and up until that moment *I* wanted to be a preacher too,there was nothing the least bit silent about the prejudice launched against me.

Not to mention launched against my parents for "allowing" me to think that way.

I have no love for murdering Muslims, but I can't stand by and see jesus only fanatics act shocked and horrified by what is also a part of their history.

Well,to ad balance,the Muslims do the same thing.

In fact,so does every other organized religion on the planet.

It's just the nature of humanity to blame and condemn others for doing the same things you do because you can pretend that YOU don't do those things.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Maybe even "almost always".

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace  


#43. To: fallujah nuker (#33) (Edited)

I doubt very much that this young Christian Marine looked the "other way" How do you know he was a true-believer Christian?

He was White,

So,all white people are Christians?

Gee,who knew?

Goldi specifically included Whites in the list of those she hates.

No,she didn't.

Her tribe is at war with Western civilization, they have been the biggest agitators for flooding the West with people of color to destroy their national identity.

You are as delusional as the rest of them if you seriously think the Jewish religion is behind this.

Wake the hell up! If anything,some of the people doing it use Judaism as a shield to hide behind so they can use the Anti-Semitic card to protect themselves,but they are about as Jewish as I am. Being born into a family with a Jewish heritage no more makes you a believer in Judaism than being born in Rome makes you a future Pope.

They are nothing more than "Jews of Convenience" using Judaism as a front,just like Jesse Jackson,Bill Clinton,Barack Obomber,and Al Sharpton use Christianity.

It is the international bankers behind all this,and even though a lot of them are Jewish by birth,make no mistake about it,when push comes to shove they will sacrifice Israel and religious Jews in the same manner as they will sacrifice everyone else.

In truth,their only religion is based on love of self,greed,and the lust for power.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace  


#44. To: fallujah nuker (#35)

BS. We are involved in the Middle East due to their tribe.

Yeah,right. Bagel shop owners in NYC and Jews in Israel control world finances and give us our marching orders.

BullBush.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace  


#45. To: listener (#36)

it is also a fact that charlatans and their lemmings existence do not disprove or prove the Facts about the Bible or God.

That is also very true. Which is the reason why I am an Agnostic instead of an Atheist.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace  


#46. To: fallujah nuker (#41)

That is not unusual, look at what happened to Quisling and Laval who collaborated with foreign invaders.

I have heard vague references to Quisling,but who was Laval,and what did he do?

Maybe you should start a stand-alone thread about the two of them and the things they did,and hit the history ping list?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-11   19:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#47. To: sneakypete (#43)

So,all white people are Christians?

Gee,who knew?

Goldi specifically included Whites in the list of those she hates.

No,she didn't.

From her own post:

...Nazi White Christian Germany...

The second word there, it's "White!" She made sure she she included the word "White" in that post. It would seem redundant in that she was describing Germany of the nineteen-thirties, which was white. She had to go out of her way to include the word "White." Her tribe is against white gentiles, ever notice how her fellow tribal member Meguro likes to call you "Arch?"

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace  


#48. To: sneakypete (#46)

I have heard vague references to Quisling,but who was Laval,and what did he do?

Pierre Laval, he was a Vichy collaborator with the Nazis. France dealt with him like Norway dealt with Vidkun Quisling. It always happens, the occupier is driven out and the locals settle scores with those who collaborated with them. It happens to this day, why should Spain have been any different five hundred years ago? History is full of such examples, we ourselves drove out a lot of Tories after the revolution, so I don't see how we are in a position to preach to the Spain of Ferdinand and Isabella.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   19:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#49. To: liberator (#18)

Nope. Man engaged in his own free will through humanist leadership. Lost his soul. Ignored it's Christian underpinnings and morals...then murdered, executed, maimed, murdered, destroyed himself.

Man chose to follow his states and his self-interest rather than do what God demanded of him. I'll concede that God never REALLY loses. But Christianity as a religion lost World War II. The weakness of the religion as a mass movement was demonstrated.

The people who Christians who really were Christians FIRST, rather than nationalists or economists, was small at the outset, and a remnant at the end.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-11   20:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace  


#50. To: sneakypete (#26)

Which one of us is it that believes in and worships a Holy Spook and hears voices and sees visions,Bubba?

Me.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-11   20:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#51. To: sneakypete (#45)

I am an Agnostic

I guess that is a way of saying "better than nothing", maybe.:-)!

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   20:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#52. To: sneakypete (#44)

Yeah,right. Bagel shop owners in NYC and Jews in Israel control world finances and give us our marching orders.

If Sheldon Adelson, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle or Norman Podhoretz owns a bagel shop in New York then your hypothesis would be true. I personally have no knowledge if they own any, but they are all a big part of why we are embroiled over there. Sheldon Adelson is quite wealthy, he just might include a bagel shop among his holdings.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   20:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace  


#53. To: fallujah nuker (#52) (Edited)

If Sheldon Adelson, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle or Norman Podhoretz owns a bagel shop in New York then your hypothesis would be true. I personally have no knowledge if they own any, but they are all a big part of why we are embroiled over there.

I have only heard of these fellows in general, so they are Jews, so they powerful, so they are rich, which is the problem? What are their politics? What do they value? Is being Jewish the problem? I really doubt that, being duds or not, is not a bloodline issue, it is a choice.

Hollywood bothers me more related to Jewish issues. Why on earth do we have the push for mindless garbage from an industry with a strong percentile of Jews at the helm? What is that all about? Jews are talented in sciences,music and literature, why all the smut? Am I misled in what I am asking about?

listener  posted on  2014-10-11   20:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace  


#54. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

I hope this drunken ranting wasn't aimed at ME!

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-11   21:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#55. To: liberator (#4)

What an absolute and utter disgrace and embarrassment this is. I am ashamed to be associated with an anti-Christian bigot and hater all these years.

And what a shock this has been to read to ranting of this person who is supposed to own this website!

As far as I'm concerned this site is dead as it's inhabited by too many leftists and assorted homosexuals!

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-11   21:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#56. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

Sober up and review the garbage YOU have vomited here!

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-11   21:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#57. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

This week I read where the popularity polls show Ebola ahead of Obama.

How horrifying if we have to put up with the rest of this parasite's term

These are the only two comments I posted before you struck out on a tirade that appears to be drug induced!

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-11   21:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace  


#58. To: liberator, Goldi-Lox (#4)

What an absolute and utter disgrace and embarrassment this is. I am ashamed to be associated with an anti-Christian bigot and hater all these years.

Oh you poor baby

Is this yet another of your departure notices ... we can only hope.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-11   21:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#59. To: ibjensen (#55)

As far as I'm concerned this site is dead as it's inhabited by too many leftists and assorted homosexuals!

What's holding you here then?

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-11   21:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace  


#60. To: fallujah nuker (#27)

I belong to no tribe.

I did not vote for obastard. Ever. He is an obomination. Obola in the flesh.

....

Do you think maybe Jesus was a zombie?

The walking dead?

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   21:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace  


#61. To: fallujah nuker (#31)

The religion of historical Russia was the Eastern Orthodox CHURCH, a split off from early Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church.

They are more accurately Christian than Rome, as they only use icons, and the correct calendar.

Get your history accurate before you make false and foolish claims.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   21:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace  


#62. To: fallujah nuker (#33)

Now you are really scraping bottom.

Insanity.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   21:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#63. To: fallujah nuker (#47)

How many blacks are included in neonazis in America?

What is the definition of the master race... Aryians ? (hint: blonde, blue eyed)

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-11   22:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace  


#64. To: Goldi-Lox (#61)

The religion of historical Russia was the Eastern Orthodox CHURCH, a split off from early Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church.

They are more accurately Christian than Rome, as they only use icons, and the correct calendar.

As Earl Butz said of the Pope who condemned birth control; "You no playa the game, you no makea the rules."

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   22:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace  


#65. To: Goldi-Lox (#63)

What is the definition of the master race... Aryians ?

According to your Talmud it's you guys. The name of Iran means "Land of the Aryans," I wonder if that's why you guys are so hot for war against Iran?

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   22:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#66. To: Goldi-Lox. All Faux Christians (#61)

Get your history accurate ...

Few do and choose to ignore facts!

How many people have died in the name of Christ, Christianity and Catholicism?

VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

by Kelsos

"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"


Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)


 Ancient Pagans

  • As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

  • Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

  • Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.

  • Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]

  • Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]

  • Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
    According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."

  • In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

  • In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]

  • The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
    [DO19-25]


 Mission

  • Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]

  • Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]

  • Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]

  • 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]

  • 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]


 Crusades (1095-1291)

  • First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]

  • Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]

  • 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]

  • Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]

  • after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
    Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]

  • Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]

  • Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")

  • The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

  • Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]

  • Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

  • Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

  • Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

    Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.


 Heretics

  • Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]

  • Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]

  • Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
    The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
    Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]

  • Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]

  • subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]

  • After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]

  • Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]

  • Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).

  • Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]

  • John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]

  • University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]

  • Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.


 Witches

  • from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.

  • in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV]


 Religious Wars

  • 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]

  • 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]

  • 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]

  • 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]

  • 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]

  • 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]

  • 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]


 Jews

  • Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.

  • In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]

  • 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]

  • The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]

  • First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]

  • Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]

  • Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]

  • Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]

  • 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]

  • 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]

  • 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]

  • 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]

  • 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]

  • 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]

  • 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.

  • 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]

  • 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.


 Native Peoples

  • Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.

  • Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
    While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]

  • On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66]

  • Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]

  • In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]

  • On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]

  • The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish raids.

  • As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]

  • The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]

  • What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
    "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
    Or, on another occasion:
    "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83]

  • The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]

  • "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitln [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]

  • Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).

  • "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of Amerikkka.

  • Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]

  • In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
    "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105]

  • On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.

  • When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
    Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.
    The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114]

  • So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].

  • Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
    "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)

  • Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114]

  • Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by spanish methods of the time)
    In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119]

  • The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115]

  • Other tribes were to follow the same path.

  • Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
    "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA]

  • Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106]

  • In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107]

  • In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115]

  • To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.

  • All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.

  • A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.

  • In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.

More Glorious events in US history

  • Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]

  • Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
    From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
    More gory details.

  • By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]


 20th Century Church Atrocities

  • Catholic extermination camps
    Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

    In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]

  • Catholic terror in Vietnam
    In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]

    Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

    The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

    • "Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....

  • Rwanda Massacres
    In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-11   22:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#67. To: Goldi-Lox (#63)

How many blacks are included in neonazis in America?

Like Gabriel Diaz the taxi driver?

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   22:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#68. To: sneakypete (#40)

You say that you know a lot about Christianity. What does the Holy Bible say about who is a Christian?

Don  posted on  2014-10-11   22:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#69. To: Gatlin (#66)

Stalin's Jews (by Sever Plocker)

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-11   22:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace  


#70. To: Gatlin (#66)

All Faux Christians

Yukon and the rest of the phonies have been banned. Only the cream of the crop, genuine Christians remain.

Bring it on!

Booshbot666  posted on  2014-10-11   23:05:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace  


#71. To: ibjensen (#56)

Sober up and review the garbage YOU have vomited here!

Funny thing is, Goldi isn't even a real Jew. She's as much a Jew as Lizzy Warren is Indian.

arasina  posted on  2014-10-11   23:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#72. To: (#69)

The real lesson in all of this is that nobody ever forgets atrocities. However long ago they happened, the guilt and odor comes forward, and people seek justice, restitution or revenge.

God knew all of that, which is why he only gave the world three laws after the Flood:

(1) Eat anything you want, except still-living animals. (2) Do not shed blood.

That's it. Not committing adultery and not lying are good ideas, but the law God stated out loud for the world was just that.

Consider how little of what men do would exist in its present form if men obeyed God's prohibition of shedding blood. God prescribed the punishment too: he who sheds man's blood, by man his blood must be shed. That's why the historical injustices never die out, why people don't forget the crusades, or slavery, or the butchery of the Indians, or the Holocaust, or any of the other atrocities: the people who gained advantages from those demonic acts of bloodshed handed along those advantages to their heirs; and those who suffered handed along their resentment and desire for justice to theirs. And so the net result is that whatever was gained by bloodshed is never secure, not even after generations have passed. People don't forget anything. Time does not heal wounds. The English entered Ireland in about 1215, with warfare and bloodshed. Seven-hundred and three years later, they withdrew from most of Ireland after civil war against them spun out of control and further governance proved hopeless. Seven hundred years of grievance. The Jews were destroyed by the Romans in AD 69. The Jews returned to Israel in force in AD 1948. That which was gained by blood ends up requiring endless blood to keep. That one little commandment: don't shed blood, ends up being just as deadly to break as the one little commandment in the garden: don't eat the forbidden fruit. Indeed the shedding blood IS the forbidden fruit outside of the garden. It seems so much easier to obtain what one wants and establish one's rule of law through violence. But the net result is that whatever you build that way eventually slides into ruin.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-11   23:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace  


#73. To: All (#71)

P.S. Christians Who Helped Jews During The Holocaust

ONE example: The Hiding Place (YouTube Movie)

About The Ten Booms

In 1837, Willem ten Boom opened a clock shop. Dedicated Christians, the family home above the shop was always an "open house" for anyone in need.

After an inspiring Dutch Reformed worship service in 1844, Willem started a weekly prayer service to pray for the Jewish people and the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6). His son Casper continued the tradition of prayer with his own family. These prayer meetings continued for 100 years-until February 28, 1944, when Nazi soldiers arrested Casper and his entire family for harboring Jews.

During World War II, the ten Booms lived out their Christian faith by making their home a refuge--a hiding place--for Jews and members of the Dutch underground who were being hunted by the Nazis.

...

Four ten Booms gave their lives for this family's commitment, but Corrie came home from the death camp. She realized her life was a gift from God, and she needed to share what she and Betsie had learned in Ravensbruck: "There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still," and "God will give us the love to be able to forgive our enemies." At age 53, Corrie began a worldwide ministry that took her into more than 60 countries in the next 32 years! She testified to God's love and encouraged all she met with the message that "Jesus is Victor."

Corrie received many tributes because of her efforts.

Following the war, Corrie was honored by the Queen of Holland as a War Hero. In 1968, the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem asked Corrie to plant a tree in the Garden of Righteousness, in honor of the many Jewish lives her family saved. Corrie's tree stands there today. In the early 1970's, Corrie's book The Hiding Place became a best seller, and World Wide Pictures (Billy Graham Evangelistic Association) released the major motion picture "The Hiding Place." Corrie went on to write many other inspiring books. There are five evangelical videos about Corrie.

Corrie was a woman faithful to God. She died on her 91st birthday, April 15, 1983. It is interesting that Corrie's passing occurred on her birthday. In the Jewish tradition, it is only very blessed people who are allowed the special privilege of dying on their birthday!

Christians being Christian. Makes ya wanna vomit, doesn't it?

arasina  posted on  2014-10-11   23:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#74. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

Hundreds of thousands of those white Christian types stormed Normandy beach to put an end to Hitler's reign. So did thousands if not millions of Russian Orthodox Christians.

Still the "Jesus freaks" statements are odd for you and quite unfounded.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-11   23:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#75. To: Booshbot666 (#70)

Yukon and the rest of the phonies have been banned.

Gatlin sure made his anti-Christian agenda clear on this thread.

No criticism from him on muslim atrocities.

Infowarrior  posted on  2014-10-11   23:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#76. To: liberator (#4)

Yes the post was uncharacteristic in my opinion.

Such posts just confirm what Jesus told His disciples would happen then and through the ages.

Matthew 10:

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.(KJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-11   23:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#77. To: Booshbot666 (#70)

Only the cream of the crop, genuine Christians remain.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   0:05:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace  


#78. To: sneakypete, Don, liberator, GarySpFc (#10)

Well all listed minus Mormons are Christians.

Jesus left His followers the blessed hope...not brick and mortar buildings and not denominations. As the late Charles Spurgeon opined in the 19th century:

In all the truly Elect children of God who are called, and chosen, and faithful, there is a bond of Divine mysterious Love running right through the whole, and they are one and must be one, the Holy Spirit being the life which unites them.

There are tokens which evidence this union, and prove that the people of God are one. We hear much moaning over our divisions. There may be some who are to be deplored among ecclesiastical confederacies, but in the spiritual Church Unity in Christ of the Living God, I am really at a loss to discover the divisions which are so loudly proclaimed. It strikes me that the tokens of union are much more prominent than the tokens of division.

But what are they? First there is a union in judgment upon all vital matters. I converse with a spiritual man, and no matter what he calls himself, when we talk of sin, pardon, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and such like themes, we are agreed. We speak of our blessed Lord. My friend says that Jesus is fair and lovely - so do I. He says that he has nothing else to trust to but the precious blood; nor have I anything else. I tell him that I find myself a poor, weak creature; he laments the same. I live in his house a little while - we pray together at the family altar, you could not tell which it was that prayed, Calvinist or Arminian, we pray so exactly alike, and when we open the hymn book, very likely if he happens to be a Wesleyan he chooses to sing, "Jesus, lover of my soul." I will sing it, and then next morning he will sing with me, "Rock of Ages, cleft for me." If the Spirit of God is in us, we are all agreed upon great points.

...leave the letter and get to the spirit, crack the shells and eat the kernel of spiritual truth, and you will find that the points of agreement between genuine Christians are something marvelous. But this union is to be seen most plainly in union of heart . I am told that Christians do not love each other. I am very sorry if that is true, but I rather doubt it, for I suspect that those who do not love each other are not Christians. Where the Spirit of God is there must be love, and if I have once known and recognized any man to be my Brother in Christ Jesus, the love of Christ compels me no more to think of him as a stranger or foreigner, but a fellow citizen with the saints...

Believers address the Throne of Grace in the same style, whatever may be the particular form which their Church organization may have assumed. So is it with praise . There, indeed, we are as one, and our music goes up with sweet accord to the Throne of Heavenly Grace. Beloved, we are one in action; true Christians everywhere are all doing the same work. Here is a Brother preaching; I do not care about that white thing he has on, but if he is a genuine Christian, he is preaching Christ Crucified; and here am I, and he may not like me because I have not that white rag on, but still I delight to preach Christ Crucified. When you come to the real lifework of the Christian, it is the same in every case, it is holding up the Cross of Christ! - http://www.ccel.org/ccel/spurgeon/sermons12.titlepage.html

“Oh,” you say, “but there are many Christians in the world preaching this and that and the other.” I am saying nothing of them or about them; I am saying nothing about their ecclesiastical belongings; I am saying nothing about those who merely cling to the Church; I am speaking of the Elect , the precious ones, the simpleminded Christ-taught men and women, and their motive of action is the same, and there is among them a true union which is the answer to our Lord’s prayer. He did not plead in vain—what He sought He has obtained—and the truly quickened are this day one, and shall evermore remain so.

Although upon doctrines of grace our views differ from those avowed by Arminian Methodists, we have usually found that on the great evangelical truths we are in full agreement, and we have been comforted by the belief that Wesleyans were solid upon the central doctrines.

Now I hate High Churchism as my soul hates Satan; but I love George Herbert, although George Herbert is a desperately High Churchman. I hate his high Churchism, but I love George Herbert from my very soul, and I have a warm corner in my heart for every man who is like him. Let me find a man who loves my Lord Jesus Christ as George Herbert did, and I do not ask myself whether I shall love him or not; there is no room for question, for I cannot help myself; unless I can leave off loving Jesus Christ, I cannot cease loving those who love him. (Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Vol. 12, p. 6; http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs668.pdf)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   0:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace  


#79. To: liberator (#15)

Fundy

I know folks will start using the term loosely so I have provided a definition below to show what just exactly is a Christian fundamentalist (at least as originally defined in early 20th century and not by Saul Alinsky):

The term [Fundamentalism] was born when conservative Protestants in early-20th- century America committed themselves to defend the five "fundamentals" of their faith -- the inerrancy of the Bible, virgin birth and deity of Jesus, doctrine of atonement, bodily resurrection of Jesus, and His imminent return.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   0:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace  


#80. To: All (#78)

How do you spell "boredom"

Answer: P e o p l e 's s t u p i d d i s c o u r s e s o n w h y t h e y b e l i e v e i n C h r i s t i a n i t y o r j e w d a i s m.

RLKK  posted on  2014-10-12   0:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace  


#81. To: Goldi-Lox, liberator, GarySpFc, Don, TooConservative (#20)

Now try to justify the Inquisition!

That too was a murderous Christian pogram aimed at non- Christian people, specifically Jews. And routed out the Arabs.

Were their torture Chambers, stretching machines, iron maidens, boiling oil, and other perverted acts a symptom of a loving forgiving God.???

Well yes those who use a "name" or claim they are operating under "divine calling" to do the exact opposite of what Yeshua of Nazareth taught and exhibited are false teachers and evil. So the answer to your question is "no" a loving God would not condone the torture and death of non believers.

Yeshua of Nazareth spoke of such as recorded in the Brit HaHadashah (NT)

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Now on the issue of not finding savagery in the Hebrew Faith, you are correct. Those in history who followed Torah were commanded not to shed blood unless in self defense or commanded by YHWH for certain offenses in violation of Torah. But the Hebrew tribes are far from innocent of torture and murder. One only has to reference the historical books of TaNaKh to see accounts of pagan worship to include sacrificing infants to the false god Molech.

One such reference (the history of such is clear) is:

2 Kings 21:16 ESV

Moreover, Manasseh shed very much innocent blood, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another, besides the sin that he made Judah to sin so that they did what was evil in the sight of the Lord(ESV)

Back to Christians...No Yeshua of Nazareth NEVER gave the apostles the sword to impose or "convert" people. Yeshua also did not set up a theocracy. He established a church of believers and followers. So anyone or any entity invoking His Name and doing acts of torture and slaughter are not Yeshua's sheep but following the adversary and grand deceiver.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   1:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace  


#82. To: RLKK (#80)

Proverbs 26 King James Version (KJV)

26 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Sometimes it's difficult to determine if verse 4 or 5 is appropriate in responding.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   1:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace  


#83. To: listener (#22)

Excellent post. The best of the thread thus far.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   1:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace  


#84. To: Goldi-Lox (#23)

Goldi what exactly is a "Jesus only fanatic?"

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   1:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace  


#85. To: Vicomte13, listener (#17)

The only way to expunge that is for Christians to actually BE Christian, and that means putting the non-Christians OUT of their Churches. But that's not happening.

Oh it's happening Bro but not in the magnitude you would expect for those claiming they understand Matthew 18. The smaller churches and congregations do a good job of accountability. They are smaller and know each other well. So yes this would exclude the mega church experience where hundreds if not a few thousand don't know their pastors name or never had a personal encounter with such.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   2:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace  


#86. To: listener (#36)

Just like Sgt. Joe Friday "Just the Facts", but it is also a fact that charlatans and their lemmings existence do not disprove or prove the Facts about the Bible or God. Abuse of the powers of the Constitution do not make it false, does it?

Well you hit the plow to the earth in that statement. Plus you beat me to a similar point. We do see some opinions, personal observations expressed as "fact" or evidence here. That amounts to what is called an assertion which is not to be confused with an argument which is based on presented evidence bearing on the issue.

So glad you brought that up:)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   2:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#87. To: sneakypete, Don, listener, liberator, Goldi-Lox, GarySpFc (#38)

To be fair,he and the other fundies don't call it "The Inquisition".

They call it "The Good Old Days".

That too was a murderous Christian pogram aimed at non- Christian people, specifically Jews.

Not "fair" at all. Pete you are either ignoring some history or don't know about it. Your use of "fundy" is meant to be a funny or derogatory term, which I will agree is used today to demean theologically conservative Christians. When in fact in the early 20th century the term was used to identify those who did not succumb to liberal theology. See definition below in bold.

Thus such "fundies" separated from liberal beliefs such as replacement theology which promoted the notion that the Christian church replaced Israel for all blessings and promises recorded in the OT and as a result Jews were cursed. That theology was rejected by early 20th century "fundamentalists" who believe the promises made to Abraham are unconditional. Therefore you will see many of these churches praying for the Peace of Jerusalem and praying for the physical Hebrew people to believe in Yeshua of Nazareth as Messiah.

So pinning the blame of violent bad popes and Luther to believing Christians who never picked up spear or sword to God's people is not only unfair but very Alinskyite.

Oh and the very same liberal theologians who gave us replacement theology also denied the Deity of Jesus Christ. And these schools of thought took northern Europe by storm in the 19th century and OBTW were centered in Germany.

The term [Fundamentalism] was born when conservative Protestants in early-20th- century America committed themselves to defend the five "fundamentals" of their faith -- the inerrancy of the Bible, virgin birth and deity of Jesus, doctrine of atonement, bodily resurrection of Jesus, and His imminent return.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   2:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#88. To: Goldi-Lox (#60)

Do you think maybe Jesus was a zombie?

The walking dead?

No. The Pharisees believed in a physical resurrection of a glorified body. And here in John 20 of Brit HaHadashah is this account:

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”

26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”(NASB)

Try to not watch too much of AMC this weekend.

I do have to ask you why you are polluting your own site with bigoted remarks? There is plenty enough topics and posts here on LP you would never have allowed 2- 3 years ago. I love this site because you kept it classy. However, now you are contributing to the very unfounded invective you used to find abhorrent. My hope and prayers all is well with you.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   3:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace  


#89. To: Gatlin (#66)

Excellent history review. Now please show me where Jesus Christ commanded such or even hinted at such brutality. I'll accept any English version Bible in your response.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   3:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#90. To: arasina (#71)

How dare you!

Genetic testing verified I am an Askinazi jew, and I had an official mitzvah immersion to consecrate my official conversion.

Many Jews escaping persecution and death were forced to convert or hide their faith. I was fortunate to rediscover my roots.

I officially rejected Christianity because it contradicted itself and demanded me to pray to a human... Which I always rejected intuitively.

There is no way a human can be God. That is blasphemy.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-12   3:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace  


#91. To: arasina (#73)

About The Ten Booms In 1837, Willem ten Boom opened a clock shop.

Thank you for that wonderful reminder. And a most valid point to the discussion.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   3:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace  


#92. To: redleghunter (#74)

I'm just getting sick of the jesus only folks here constantly preaching to everyone how their way is the only right way, perfect, pure, and guiltless. Then they criticize others for being savages.

I think this thread demonstrates the past evils committed in the name of Christianity, putting their rhetoric and passion play to be a lie.

I do not condone, approve, or agree with the savage gruesome Muslim attacks. But for Christians to point fingers, as though they were without historical guilt is simply ludicrous. It is hypocritical.

I am just pointing out the truth.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-12   3:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#93. To: redleghunter (#84)

The ones who say one and over and over that you can only only only be saved if you believe on jesus, and make him the center of your life.

It's the ONLY'S.

Goldi-Lox  posted on  2014-10-12   3:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace  


#94. To: fallujah nuker (#47)

From her own post:

...Nazi White Christian Germany...

The second word there, it's "White!"

I had no idea all whites came from Germany.

That is what you are claiming,right?

ever notice how her fellow tribal member Meguro likes to call you "Arch?"

He's just a simple leftist,and that's all he has.

And I am no sure sure he is Jewish.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#95. To: listener (#51)

I guess that is a way of saying "better than nothing", maybe.:-)!

No,it is actually a way of saying I am not so arrogant as to think I have all the answers to every question,and that while *I* THINK God is a bogus construct of man that has been used as a tool to keep people in line though fear since the day of the cave man,there is a slim possibility that I could be wrong.

Do NOT be so quick to celebrate that as a victory and start claiming "sneakypete believes!"

What I also believe is that IF there is a God,the MoFo is criminally incompetent and should be fired because he is a worse God than Obomber is a President.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#96. To: Goldi-Lox (#92)

I'm just getting sick of the jesus only folks here constantly preaching to everyone how their way is the only right way, perfect, pure, and guiltless. Then they criticize others for being savages.

I think this thread demonstrates the past evils committed in the name of Christianity, putting their rhetoric and passion play to be a lie.

I do not condone, approve, or agree with the savage gruesome Muslim attacks. But for Christians to point fingers, as though they were without historical guilt is simply ludicrous. It is hypocritical.

I am just pointing out the truth.

Perhaps a truth based on incorrect facts and assuptions.

To indict Christianity based on actions of clearly evil people acting in contradiction to the very commands of Messiah Yeshua is bigotry. It is akin to stating "most blacks in prison are violent criminals so my black neighbors should own up to their violent past." Your premise is fallacious as to make your statement true you must have complete knowledge of the beliefs, motivations and actions of every Christian since 33 CE.

The TaNaKh is full of examples of Israelites either following Torah or horribly rejecting Torah. Which ones should we uphold as being "true" Hebrews? Of course that would be those who obeyed and did not commit atrocities. The Prophets tell us God rejected those who did not follow His Law. Apply the same model for Christians.

On the comparison of Christians and Muslims and your view of hypocrisy? Well yes IF someone upholds the murderous actions of Popes and other proclaimed Christians in the past as "justified" THEN they would be hypocrites to condemn Muslims. But no one is lifting up that past as "Christian." Jesus taught Torah and as such taught the love and peace of Torah. Those doing evil actions in His Name falsely are not His sheep are not His followers and thus do not truly believe in Him and are not Christians. So how can those who follow Christ have guilt for actions Jesus Christ never condoned nor commanded? They can't. Just as you should have no guilt in the evil kings of Israel and Judah who sacrificed babies in fire to false idols.

Also, as mentioned Jesus never commanded the sword to convert. Muhammad DID. The very difference which leaves behind the charge of hypocrisy is: when supposed Christians use the sword to behead and covert in the Name of God they are violating God's commands and are not Christians. On the other hand when Muslims do the same thing they ARE doing what Muhammad said Allah commanded. They are being "good" Muslims.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   4:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#97. To: Goldi-Lox (#63)

How many blacks are included in neonazis in America?

The correct answer to that depends on if you are limiting the Nazi frame of mind to only skin color,or if you are willing to open your mind to the FACT that being a Nazi is more a matter of mindset than skin color. If so,there are many,many black Nazi's.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#98. To: Gatlin (#66)

to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

And never will.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace  


#99. To: Don (#68)

What does the Holy Bible say about who is a Christian?

I don't remember. It has been decades since I read your rule book.

And why should I or anyone else pay any attention to what it says anyhow,when your God can't even follow his own rules?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace  


#100. To: Goldi-Lox (#93)

The ones who say one and over and over that you can only only only be saved if you believe on jesus, and make him the center of your life.

It's the ONLY'S.

Well dip me in the boiling oil because what you posted is almost the Gospel of Yeshua HaMashiach. And Yeshua of Nazareth preached such as did His fellow Jewish followers. This should be no surprise to you. Is there a Christian church preaching Buddha or the Dahli Lama as Messiah? Don't think so.

So is it you are so set against Christians proclaiming the Gospel in the supposed free marketplace of ideas that somehow they must own up to evil people who don't live said Gospel?

Frankly Goldi you have a theological axe to grind. That's fine of course as this is your site and apparently this is still a free country. But you are presenting your distaste for Christians and doctrines in a most uncharacteristic and baseless format.

Finally, the "Jesus only" crowd is not limited to evangelicals or "fundies" in that every Catholic and Eastern Orthodox creeds hold to salvation through Jesus Christ.

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-12   4:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace  


#101. To: fallujah nuker (#69)

I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Funny how that works out,ain't it?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#102. To: arasina (#71)

Funny thing is, Goldi isn't even a real Jew. She's as much a Jew as Lizzy Warren is Indian.

Are you really so ignorant you don't understand there are two different types of "official" Jews,those who were born from a Jewish mother,and religious Jews?

Judaism is both a religion and an ethnic group. Sometimes they are the same people,and sometimes they ain't. Which,granted,does make it confusing at time.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   4:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#103. To: redleghunter (#74)

Hundreds of thousands of those white Christian types stormed Normandy beach to put an end to Hitler's reign.

True.

So did thousands if not millions of Russian Orthodox Christians

True also,but they did nothing at all to stomp the life out of their own snake,who was worse than Hitler,and who started out as a Divinity student studying to be an Orthodox priest.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace  


#104. To: Infowarrior (#75) (Edited)

Gatlin sure made his anti-Christian agenda clear on this thread.

No criticism from him on muslim atrocities.

Was the point of this discussion Christian atrocities,or Muslim atrocities?

Everyone here has been commenting on Muslim atrocities all along,while damn few have been talking about Christian atrocities and many have been denying them.

You do NOT get to state your side of an argument and not allow different viewpoints and facts to be presented.

The old standard response of "Yeah,well just look at what the Muslims do!" as a way of deflecting criticisms of what self-described Christians do just ain't going to cut it anymore.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace  


#105. To: RLKK (#80)

How do you spell "boredom"

Answer: P e o p l e 's s t u p i d d i s c o u r s e s o n w h y t h e y b e l i e v e i n C h r i s t i a n i t y o r j e w d a i s m.

You mean we are not going to come up with a consensus viewpoint that pleases everyone?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace  


#106. To: redleghunter (#85)

The smaller churches and congregations do a good job of accountability.

They are the only ones able to do this because they are the only ones focused more on faith than wealth and political power.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#107. To: redleghunter (#87)

Your use of "fundy" is meant to be a funny or derogatory term, which I will agree is used today to demean theologically conservative Christians. When in fact in the early 20th century the term was used to identify those who did not succumb to liberal theology.

True,but it is also true that even though the past is very important,we are dealing with the problems of today more than we are investigating the past,and IMHO many of the problems in America today are DIRECTLY related to the fundie whackjob evangelicals getting involved in conservative politics. Which was the greatest gift the hard left has ever received,because more moderate/casual Christians look at the Hell on Earth THEY propose and after comparing it to the Hell on Earth the left proposes,find the leftist Hell as the lesser of two evils.

IMHO,the American left would be a part of the dustbin of history right now instead of in control over our whole government if these whackjobs hadn't of scared away voters whose natural inclination would have been to vote conservative.

BTW,these whackjob Bible Thumpers are NOT any closer to being "conservatives" than the left is to being "liberals". BOTH groups offer nothing more than a future police state where "unapproved thought" will be punished. They are the opposing sides of the same coin.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace  


#108. To: redleghunter (#89)

Now please show me where Jesus Christ commanded such or even hinted at such brutality. I'll accept any English version Bible in your response.

Are you restricting this to Jesus because you know that if it were open to God commanding atrocities and brutality the Old Testament,as opposed to the "New and Improved PC New Testament,would be exhibit number 1?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#109. To: Goldi-Lox (#92)

I am just pointing out the truth.

Yes,but nobody,including me,loves the truth when it is THEIR oxen being gored.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   5:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#110. To: fallujah nuker, sneakypete, Goldi-Lox (#101)

I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

I find it unacceptable that a person rejects the conventional linear and teleological view of historical facts to cite an isolated incident as justification for anything. You present one obvious event that did occur over a relatively short number of years. An estimated 5-7 million died during the Soviet-induced man made wheat famine as a result of Stalin’s attempt to force collectivization of wheat production in Ukraine. I presented chronological events that occurred over centuries.

I find it unacceptable that a Christian uses an isolated event in history and other Christians use the Bible to selectively choose certain verses and quote them to suit and adjust to their prejudices while they totally ignore the verses they aren’t following to live by. Then when they are confronted on this, they always claim those verses somehow mean something else. They do this so very conveniently and are shocked when others are always questioning them.

I find it unacceptable that there are those who think they precisely can and cannot call themselves or others as a follower of the “Prince of Peace” while not admitting that no other religion is history has had such a bloody history … however in recent times fanatical Muslims are moving to rapidly close the gap. The concept and the use of the term “Holy War” has its origin traced to Christianity. It was the dynamic doctrine set forth by Pope Urban II so as to appeal to the motivational desires of the early Crusades.

I find it unacceptable that a Christian can claim the right to be spiritually arrogant and be so quick to categorize and stereotype those with whom they disagree. It is unfortunate there are so many Faux Christians on LP who are spiritually arrogant and find it necessary to chastise and condemn rather than reach out with a helping hand. They have developed a superiority complex with their holier-than-thou and always being right attitudes towards others

I find it unacceptable that faux Christians are hypocrites with no humility and have developed a feeling of superiority with conceit that they are “saved” and all others are damned.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   6:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace  


#111. To: redleghunter (#89)

Excellent history review. Now please show me where Jesus Christ commanded such or even hinted at such brutality. I'll accept any English version Bible in your response.

I never said that Jesus Christ commanded anything, I simply presented an “excellent history review” that listed “only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity.” Now you please show me where such events did not occur. I’ll accept any factually documented rebuttals in your response.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   6:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#112. To: sneakypete (#99)

Pete, you do enough asking about the "evil" Christians and the Bible. I thought you might know something about it.

Don  posted on  2014-10-12   7:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#113. To: arasina (#71)

Goldi isn't even a real Jew. She's as much a Jew as Lizzy Warren is Indian.

Goldi told me sometime ago that she was a convert to Judaism.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#114. To: Gatlin (#59)

What's holding you here then?

About ten habitants who share my views.

Are you one or both?

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#115. To: liberator (#4)

Yes, and you've just indiscriminately spit on and insulted EVERY Christian here, while vomiting all over your own post, thread, and forum.

What an absolute and utter disgrace and embarrassment this is. I am ashamed to be associated with an anti-Christian bigot and hater all these years.

You have summed up in these two sentences exactly how I felt upon reading the insane harangue.

Let's form our own CONSERVATIVE website that welcomes Christians AND Jews, but tosses leftist loons, homos and assorted other perverts under the train.

I'm glad I went back and re-read you posting.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#116. To: ibjensen, Goldi-Lox (#114)

What's holding you here then?

About ten habitants who share my views.

Are you one or both?

I don't share your views and I am definitely not holding you here.

Goldi has you pegged correctly!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace  


#117. To: ibjensen, liberator (#115)

Let's form our own CONSERVATIVE website ...

Excellent idea, worthy of IMMEDIATE action ... like RIGHT NOW!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#118. To: Goldi-Lox, ibjensen (#2)

Your fanatic jesus only position is JUST AS bad as fanatic Islam.

True!

It is statistically incorrect for Christians to ever think or say that they are more virtuous and less blood thirsty than followers of Islam. In the past 100 years, about 120 million people have been killed in wars and acts of war … while only a small fraction of that figure has been the result of Muslim killings. Most will react with dismay to this fact. It will take a particular type of blindness to see Christians as “nice” and Muslims as always being inherently violent considering the twentieth century death toll.

There are fanatics is all groups. The fanatic Christians are found to be preaching the simplistic forms of what they believe in. They will go to the extreme side while avoiding the middle-ground and will never compromise or moderate their views. These Christian fanatics will condemn everyone who is not “like” them and constantly disagree even in the slightest sense. They constantly try to force their views and methods on others to act and believe as they do. They will often quote scripture while taking dogma and teachings literally based on misquotes and bent meanings.

Fanatical Christians are irrational, stubborn, cannot answer a question directly and will obnoxiously quote and misquote scripture in an attempt to support their view. When backed into a corner with logic, they will regress into name calling.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#119. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

YOU have no moral authority here.

Since you've slipped into a state of mind that can only be termed insane, you have apparently forgotten that you and I had a conversation some time ago about Judaism.

You told me that you were a convert to the Jewish faith and I told you that although I am a practical, practicing Traditional Roman Catholic (who worships using the old Tridentine Rite), ethnically I am a Jew as was my 'sainted' mother.

I am reviewing this thread on Sunday morning and I am still shocked at your lowering yourself into an anti-Christian tirade that sounds like the ranting of a poor soul in torment who belongs in a mental institution.

I am a doctor, but the wrong kind. My education and work has been of the scientific field, but I am still capable of understanding when a person has lost sanity.

If I am wrong and you truly believe your indiscernible blathering, then you are indeed a lost soul.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#120. To: Gatlin (#118)

Fanatical Christians

Name a few.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#121. To: Gatlin (#117)

Excellent idea, worthy of IMMEDIATE action ... like RIGHT NOW!

Send me $100 so we can get started.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#122. To: Gatlin (#116)

Oh, now I remember who you are.

You're that homeless person with a typewriter who hates any religion excepting that one he is currently cozying up to.

Further, I would dare say, that you are an atheistic, leftist loon who denigrates everything good and embraces all that is evil and bad.

Begone, you imp of Satan! Begone, I say!

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   8:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace  


#123. To: ibjensen arasina, Goldi-Lox (#113)

Goldi isn't even a real Jew. She's as much a Jew as Lizzy Warren is Indian.

Goldi told me sometime ago that she was a convert to Judaism.

“There you go again!”

Goldi didn't tell you that she was a "convert."

Go back and check to find where Goldi said that a DNA test provided her with clear evidence of her Jewish roots.
The specific genetic characteristics were able to identify that she was of Jewish descent.

Is this correct, Goldi?

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace  


#124. To: ibjensen (#121)

Excellent idea, worthy of IMMEDIATE action ... like RIGHT NOW!

Send me $100 so we can get started.

Post you name and address.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#125. To: ibjensen (#120)

Fanatical Christians

Name a few.

I'll just name one ... ibjensen!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   8:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace  


#126. To: sneakypete, Y'ALL (#105)

You mean we are not going to come up with a consensus viewpoint that pleases everyone?

Arthur Koestler once shed a little light on fanaticism: ---

"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self- preservation. We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion."

tpaine  posted on  2014-10-12   9:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace  


#127. To: Goldi-Lox (#2)

Your fanatic jesus only position is JUST AS bad as fanatic Islam.

The only difference is the beheading... But you and your ilk would likely resort to that as well given the opportunity.

After all, you jesus only freaks murdered and / or looked the other way when Nazi White Christian Germany gassed, shot, and slaughtered 13 MILLION non Christians, including six million JEWS.

YOU have no moral authority here.

YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT.

Oh yeah, Goldie. I'm sharpening my scimitar as we speak, just awaiting the day when I can behead people like you. YES...I'll stone, murder, maim and torture the whole world because they don't believe like I do.

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING US OF! How dare you! It is vile and beneath contempt! So much for LOVE from the JEWISH PEOPLE and their faith!

First, the world is full of CINOs and has been for centuries, just like the Jewish faith has its "secular" Jews/JINOs. See Soros. Should WE consider ALL JEWs to be like that evil man? Should we???

Apparently, YOU think of us in that vile manor! Nazis! Jihadis! Killers of life!

Christians helped the Jews, putting their lives on the line to save them from the gas chambers and Nazis wherever they could. Christians did that.

Islam is BACK with a vengeance and has been growing once again since the late 1880s. Killing Christians and Jews alike. Christians are now being slaughtered in nation after nation and where are the Jews? If they are like YOU, they are sitting home and cheering for our demise just like the terroists did on 911!

Where are the Jewish voices condemning the ME slaughter of Christians?! Where! Have you tried to save any Christians? Why not? Oh right. I keep forgetting that you are on their side. Where are the voices of the Jewish people supporting Christians thru this horrific nightmare???

In fact, ONLY Benjamin Netanyahu has said a word in support! Where are you?! Are YOU just standing by doing nothing like you accuse Christians of doing and having done??! Or are you on a website giving aid and comfort to the enemy!

I came on here and read your vile, ugly comment. You broke my heart, Goldie. You crushed me with your contempt!

I have considered you a friend, a sister after my heart. Someone I would be proud to stand with. You broke that. Your unprovoked attack against the Christians here is utterly contemptable.

I have loved and supported Israel and it's people all of my days! And I still do, despite your hatred of me and my faith.

Goodbye.

out damned spot  posted on  2014-10-12   9:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace  


#128. To: sneakypete (#94)

She was the one who used the word "White" in her post. You should address your question to Goldi, since she used the Nazis to attack the White race.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   9:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#129. To: ibjensen, Goldi-Lox, ALL LP's Christians (#115)

You have summed up in these two sentences exactly how I felt upon reading the insane harangue.

Let's form our own CONSERVATIVE website that welcomes Christians AND Jews, but tosses leftist loons, homos and assorted other perverts under the train.

Yup.

Because of such disgrace and insult, I CAN NOT, NOR WILL NOT in good conscious be returning to Liberty Post -- I'll leave it to those who can stomach the hate and bigotry of its own and various militant atheists and anti-Christian loons.

Liberty Post: Now just a Forum to which Goldi-Lox has dedicated trashing Christians and comparing them to barbarian Muslims.

One option of a forum is Liberty's Flame, a forum that once was quite active.

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi

Buh-bye, Goldi. Vomit to your black heart's content.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   9:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace  


#130. To: Gatlin (#110)

I find it unacceptable that faux Christians are hypocrites with no humility and have developed a feeling of superiority with conceit that they are “saved” and all others are damned.

IMHO this happens because "Sunday Morning Christians" are a majority,and they follow the "If you don't expose me as a poser I will pretend you aren't a poser" philosophy.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace  


#131. To: Don (#112)

Pete, you do enough asking about the "evil" Christians and the Bible. I thought you might know something about it.

I do know something about it. I'm just not your personal recording device that can comment off the top of my head about cherry-picked Biblical quotes.

If you can't refute anything I have written,either say so or leave it alone. Don't try to snipe at me for obscure quotes.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#132. To: Goldi-Lox (#90)

There is no way a human can be God. That is blasphemy

Sure there is: if God chooses to be a human.

Remember when God and two angels met Abraham at Sarah at their tent? This was when God and the two angels were on their way to Sodom and Gemorrah, to destroy it.

All three were humans. Abraham fed them. Even fed them meat and milk, together (something that later Hebrew tradition forbids, although God never forbade it, and even partook of it at Abraham's table). God and the angels ate food, chewed it up and swallowed it.

The two angels were sent on by God to meet Lot in Sodom and destroy the cities of the plain. But God lingered and spoke face to face to Abraham, and did so as a man.

There is too a way that God can be a human. And he in fact did present himself in human form to Abraham. Not as a ghost, but as a flesh and blood human who ate and swallowed food and who had feet to wash.

Likewise, going back earlier in Genesis, we have the account of the angels coming to earth, taking human wives, copulating with them and begetting children by them, the Nephilim, both before and after the Flood. When the Hebrews came into Canaan, they found the Rephaim and Anakin there, who were nephilim or the descendants of nephilim.

God is God. If God wants to be in human form, he takes human form.

Indeed, the human form was patterned by God to be the form that it apparently pleases God to take. Genesis emphasizes that God made us "in his image, after his likeness" - a repetition that emphasizes the point that God is making. The identical language is used later of human children, who are said to be in their father's image, after his likeness.

God has an appearance and a likeness, and men look like God because we are MADE to look like him.

God walked as a man when he spoke with Abraham.

Angels walked as men frequently.

And when God fathered his own child through a human woman, that child was Jesus and shared his father's divinity.

If there were no Shroud of Turin with that muraculous, naturally and technologically impossible image on it, it would be possible to doubt. But God sealed the deal by leaving a document: Jesus' image impossibly formed on that cloth.

So yes, there is a way that God can be human. Angels too. And they've done it several times in Scripture.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-12   9:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace  


#133. To: ibjensen (#113)

Goldi told me sometime ago that she was a convert to Judaism.

So what? Since when are converts to Judaism not Jews?

Are you also implying that converts to Islam are not Muslims?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#134. To: ibjensen, liberator, Bob Celeste, redleghunter, stoner, listener, Don, byeltsin, fallujah nuker, RISU, Chuck and others, *Prayer List*, *Judeo-Christian Persecution*, *Immigration Issues-Borders*, *Prayer Request* (#0)

To my brothers and sisters in Christ,

I love you. Stay strong. I want you to know that I do appreciate you and your contributions. They help to strengthen me against the atheists and other haters on this site. Prayers up for you and yours.

I may or may not be back. I am so hurt and angry that I need time away from this. I will miss you sorely. Keep on keeping on, my beloved undocumented border patrol patriots.

Out Damned Spot, Jesus freak and proud of it

out damned spot  posted on  2014-10-12   9:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace  


#135. To: liberator (#129)

Buh-bye, Goldi. Vomit to your black heart's content.

Switching back to F16Fighter now, chump?

meguro  posted on  2014-10-12   9:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace  


#136. To: ibjensen (#115)

Let's form our own CONSERVATIVE website that welcomes Christians AND Jews, but tosses leftist loons, homos and assorted other perverts under the train.

You can't,because you are NOT conservatives. Conservatives in America believe in equal rights and treatment under the law for ALL Americans,and believe in keeping religion out of government.

You can form your own superstitious right-wing religious loons website,though.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#137. To: sneakypete (#133)

So what? Since when are converts to Judaism not Jews?

I think that perhaps you're a bit deranged yourself. You appropriately nicknamed yourself Sneaky and you hit your head on the nail with that one.

No one said what you stated above and you very well know it.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   9:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace  


#138. To: Gatlin (#125)

I'll not miss you and your fellow pervert, Neguro!

It's all yours now you horse's ass.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   9:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#139. To: Gatlin (#118)

Fanatical Christians are irrational, stubborn, cannot answer a question directly and will obnoxiously quote and misquote scripture in an attempt to support their view. When backed into a corner with logic, they will regress into name calling.

I am a fanatical Christian.

I am brutally rational, scientifically so in my presentation of the facts of Christianity.

I am stubborn because I know directly that I am right.

I answer every question about the faith directly, and I am perfectly pleased to prove the truth of Christianity without mentioning the Bible or quoting everything. I start my proof with physical objects.

I can't be backed into a corner with logic, because the facts are on my side and I know it. What happens instead is that those who do not want to believe refuse to look at the facts - to actually look at them. They make a categorical denial of the facts, find some shoddy unscientific website that has not examined the forensics, pretend that they have refuted the facts, and then continue on as before, invincibly ignorant.

I am more than happy to prove Christianity to anybody, without ever quoting the Bible or any Church, just using physical objects and events that have been exhaustively studied and heavily scientifically documented.

The best one can do coming out of that museum of miracles is be stubborn and bitter and say "Well, those things are mysterious, and they're not scientifically explicable, yet, but they still don't prove God."

But of course they DO prove God, and the person who says that is just being irrational and stubborn because he doesn't want to admit that what he doesn't want to believe in is in fact provable.

I never regress into namecalling as a strategy. I never fire the first shot. Once I am called names I respond in kind, because I am angry. Then later I feel bad about it because I remember that God doesn't want me to do that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-12   9:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace  


#140. To: out damned spot, ibjensen, Bob Celeste, redleghunter, stoner, listener, Don, byeltsin, fallujah nuker, RISU, Chuck and others, (#134)

To my brothers and sisters in Christ,

I love you. Stay strong. I want you to know that I do appreciate you and your contributions. They help to strengthen me against the atheists and other haters on this site. Prayers up for you and yours.

I may or may not be back. I am so hurt and angry that I need time away from this. I will miss you sorely. Keep on keeping on, my beloved undocumented border patrol patriots.

Out Damned Spot, Jesus freak and proud of it

Amen, sistah...

I'll be posting at Liberty's Flame. NO way would I return to an anti-Christian forum. You may as well be posting at Nero's Roman Colosseum or Muzzie Central.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   9:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#141. To: Gatlin (#123)

Goldi didn't tell you that she was a "convert."

Go back and check to find where Goldi said that a DNA test provided her with clear evidence of her Jewish roots. The specific genetic characteristics were able to identify that she was of Jewish descent.

Is this correct, Goldi?

She is both. The way *I* understand what she has been saying for years is that she was NOT a religious Jew until recent years,when she converted to Judaism. Which implies,but does not necessarily mean that up to that point she had been a follower of Christ.

Now she is saying that relatively recent DNA tests have proven she is also a genetic Jew,which can be,but is NOT the same thing as a religious Jews.

There are many genetic Jews who never go to Temple or follow and believe in any of the religious tenants of Judaism. Until they need a shield to hide behind,that is. Then,like the Sunday Morning Christians,they "find God".

The whole "who is a Jew" thing can be really confusing for everybody.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace  


#142. To: Gatlin (#124)

Post you name and address.

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

I wouldn't want you on any website that I helped sponsor! You are indicative of what's wrong with our nation.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   9:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace  


#143. To: sneakypete (#106)

They are the only ones able to do this because they are the only ones focused more on faith than wealth and political power.

You make a good point here.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-10-12   9:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace  


#144. To: ibjensen (#142)

You [Gatlin] are indicative of what's wrong with our nation.

Gatlin is a proud member of the ACLU. All you need to know about this POS.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   9:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace  


#145. To: out damned spot (#127)

Christians helped the Jews, putting their lives on the line to save them from the gas chambers and Nazis wherever they could. Christians did that.

To be completely fair,more than a few Muslims have done the same.

Saddam Hussein was one of them before Abdullah of Saudi Arabia paid the Bush Crime Family to have him dethroned and hanged. Right up to that point both Christian Churches and Jewish Temples were not only allowed to operate in Iraq,they had government police guarding them.

It's amazing how quickly people forget this,isn't it?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace  


#146. To: sneakypete (#136) (Edited)

You are NOT conservatives.

Sez the militant athiest, pro-homo mutant, and hater/bigot of Christians?

You're a damned lunatic, and medicated hypocrite.

Conservatives in America believe in equal rights and treatment under the law for ALL Americans,and believe in keeping religion out of government.

Of which leaves you OUT. Atheist.

You support "Special Rights" for your gay brethren. That is a violation of the 14th Amendment, Atheist.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   9:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace  


#147. To: fallujah nuker (#128)

She was the one who used the word "White" in her post. You should address your question to Goldi, since she used the Nazis to attack the White race.

She also used the word "Germans". You chose to focus on the word "White" instead of the word "German",which is/was practically a synonym for the word "Nazi".

Which is why *I* focused on the word "German" instead of the adjective "White".

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace  


#148. To: liberator (#144)

I've registered at Liberty's Flame and am reposting this article and selected comments now.

ibjensen  posted on  2014-10-12   9:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace  


#149. To: liberator (#129)

One option of a forum is Liberty's Flame, a forum that once was quite active.

I'm guessing you will fit right in over there.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace  


#150. To: ibjensen (#137)

No one said what you stated above and you very well know it.

You clearly implied it,even though you are probably too stupid to even understand what YOU write.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#151. To: Vicomte13, Gatlin (#139)

I am a fanatical Christian.

Yes,but you are also an exception to the rule that Gatlin was expressing. Even you have to recognize that he had a valid point.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace  


#152. To: Vicomte13 (#143)

You make a good point here.

Thanks.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace  


#153. To: liberator (#146)

You're a damned lunatic, and medicated hypocrite.

ROFLMAO! That's rich,coming from you!

Conservatives in America believe in equal rights and treatment under the law for ALL Americans,and believe in keeping religion out of government.

Of which leaves you OUT. Atheist.

See? You even furnished me proof of this in the same rant.

You support "Special Rights" for your gay brethren.

WHAT "special rights"? Name them.

And I have many happy friends,but even they aren't my brethren because I am not a member of any cult.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   9:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace  


#154. To: ibjensen (#115)

Let's form our own CONSERVATIVE website that welcomes Christians AND Jews

The problem is that the many of the latter will act as a fifth column, and a lot of Whites are not religious people. I don't think it is a good idea to impose a litmus test based upon religion, and that would include accepting or not accepting Jesus or supporting Israel. People should be free to practice the religion of their choosing, but they have no right to impose their beliefs on others. And the big imposition of religion forced upon America has been the wars waged on behalf of Israel, most notably in Iraq. Separation of church and state is a good idea, but what's good for the goose is sauce for the gander. What we really need is separation of synagogue and state, think of the tragedy we would have avoided in the Middle East had we done so?

I think the founding fathers got it right, were I to impose a litmus test at a website it would be based upon the prescient warning given by George Washington in his farewell address:

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

He worked mightily to extract us from the alliance with France, and was hampered by those who would have betrayed our national interest at the behest of foreign agents like Citizen Genet. The Israel lobby is everything George Washington warned against, AIPAC is worse that Citizen Genet in that their subversion has succeeded where his failed.

Anyone can pass this litmus test regardless of religion, if they do not wish to impose their religion upon others. A Jewish person can be a good American nationalist as demonstrated by Edwin Rubenstein, but a lot of them are looking to betray America to their religious wars. Goldi is a good example, she betrayed Pat Buchanan in 2000 when she discerned (correctly) that he would not betray America to the wars of Israel. Pat Buchanan had discerned (correctly) that invading Iraq on behalf of Israel would be bad for America and was unwilling to sell out for her. The George Washington litmus test would screen out the AIPAC fifth columnists.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   9:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace  


#155. To: ibjensen (#148) (Edited)

I've registered at Liberty's Flame and am reposting this article and selected comments now.

A word of advice. While Stone mostly agrees with your viewpoints,he does have occasional moments of mental clarity,and he isn't shy about insisting on being able to hear opposing viewpoints. If you think you can turn LF into a neo-con/neo-Nazi echo chamber,chances are you are going to be very disappointed in the long run.

Maybe you should go with the original idea of starting your own web site? You could name it something like "www.weezloons.com" and attract all sorts of posters with identical viewpoints.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace  


#156. To: sneakypete (#147)

You chose to focus on the word "White" instead of the word "German"

Because I'm white, not German, had she left it at Germans she would have left me out of it. But she lumped my race into it. I will defend my race. I'm not all that interested in the religious aspect of this thread, but I would like her to practice what she preaches. I am sick and tired of their race/religion imposing the wars of Israel upon America, and then screaming "OY VEH, ANTI-SEMITE" at anyone who does not want to go kill a bunch of Semitic Arabs on behalf of Israel.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   10:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace  


#157. To: fallujah nuker (#154)

I don't think it is a good idea to impose a litmus test based upon religion, and that would include accepting or not accepting Jesus or supporting Israel.

You make very good sense,but talk about pissing on somebody's parade! If you register over there you are going to have to use "buzzkill" as your screen name.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#158. To: fallujah nuker (#156) (Edited)

Because I'm white, not German, had she left it at Germans she would have left me out of it. But she lumped my race into it. I will defend my race. I'm not all that interested in the religious aspect of this thread, but I would like her to practice what she preaches.

You do understand that the majority of the people in this country that call themselves Jews are actually of white European stock,right? Semitic Jews are a minority of the Jewish population all over the world these days,maybe even in Israel.

I am sick and tired of their race/religion imposing the wars of Israel upon America, and then screaming "OY VEH, ANTI-SEMITE" at anyone who does not want to go kill a bunch of Semitic Arabs on behalf of Israel.

That makes two of us,brother,but let's put the blame where it belongs,and that is NOT on the shoulders of Israel or Jews,but directly on the shoulders of our own treasonous politicians.

Can you honestly blame Israel and the Israeli lobby for hitting America up for political support and free stuff,when they know they need it to survive and can have it for the asking? It's not THEIR fault we give it to them,it's our own damn fault for giving it.

I am personally more than a little tired of seeing American blood and wealth being squandered fighting wars for Saudi Arabia,too!

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace  


#159. To: out damned spot, ibjensen, Infowarrior, Bob Celeste, redleghunter, stoner, Uncle Siggy, RISU, GarySpFc, listener, Don, byeltsin, fallujah nuker, RISU, Chuck _Wagon, arasina, Vicomte13, murron, Slavik_Avenger, JustUsealittleBrainPower, APole, Tea Party Rev (#134)

I may or may not be back. I am so hurt and angry that I need time away from this.

Come on over to LF.

Why frequent a forum whose owner is an unabashed Christian basher? One who regards YOU and NO different than a Muslim? An owner who blames YOU and Jesus Christ for past Evil?

You just been the obvious subject of contempt, disdain, AND disrespect. YOU make Goldi VOMIT!! (Her own words.)

See ya at Liberty's Flame -- a forum at which we can still discuss the issues of the day.

P.S. -- It's owner is Christian-friendly, Conservative, and opposes militant Atheism's Statist agenda, Police State Fascism, as well as the Statist agenda of Homofascist tyranny.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   10:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace  


#160. To: ibjensen (#148) (Edited)

Good. See ya there, brutha.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   10:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#161. To: sneakypete, ibjensen (#155)

Maybe you should go with the original idea of starting your own web site? You could name it something like "www.weezloons.com" and attract all sorts of posters with identical viewpoints.

Sounds good.

I especially like the name!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace  


#162. To: liberator (#159) (Edited)

Come on over to LF.

You didn't invite ME?

I'm hurt.

I realize it was probably a mistake on your part,and you meant to invite me of,so I may still visit you over there to keep you from getting lonely. You can apologize to me then.

I've been registered over there for years.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace  


#163. To: sneakypete (#149)

I'm guessing you will fit right in over there.

I'm guessing you and your unhinged lunacy and nonsensical posting will fit like a glove at MilitantAtheistHypocrite.com...as well as HomoFascistEnabler.net....and VomitOnChristianPosters.org. OH WAIT!! That's what Liberty Post has become. Never Mind.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   10:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace  


#164. To: sneakypete (#162)

I've been registered over there for years.

Nobody cares. No, REALLY, Atheist-Fascist.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   10:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace  


#165. To: ibjensen (#142)

Post you name and address.You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

I wouldn't want you on any website that I helped sponsor!

You are indicative of what's wrong with our nation.

I didn't ask you to send me a hundred dollars ... you did.

I would NEVER be on any Website you sponsor ... you have no problem there.

You are indicative with an asshole that has a PhD ... book smart, worldly dumb.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#166. To: sneakypete (#149) (Edited)

I'm guessing you will fit right in over there.

He/she/it will just start posting his/her/its filth here as F16Fighter.

But stoner the crazed homophobe will love him/her/it over at el Pee Lite.

meguro  posted on  2014-10-12   10:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace  


#167. To: sneakypete (#155)

If you think you can turn LF into a neo-con/neo-Nazi echo chamber,chances are you are going to be very disappointed in the long run.

So not wanting to invade other nations is Nazi? Wow! I thought you guys kept saying that neo-con was a code word for Jew. Neo-cons want the US to invade Israels enemies, and we know the Nazis knew a thing or two about invading other nations. There seems to be a fine line to this whole invasion thing, if we invade were Nazis, but if we don't invade then we are Nazis? We're white, it seems that by your definition we're Nazis if we invade, and we're Nazis if we don't invade. Reductio ad sneakypetium seems to be that to be white is to be Nazi.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   10:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#168. To: Goldi-Lox (#159)

Posted by liberator:

Come on over to LF.

Why frequent a forum whose owner is an unabashed Christian basher? One who regards YOU and NO different than a Muslim? An owner who blames YOU and Jesus Christ for past Evil?

You just been the obvious subject of contempt, disdain, AND disrespect. YOU make Goldi VOMIT!! (Her own words.)

See ya at Liberty's Flame -- a forum at which we can still discuss the issues of the day.

P.S. -- It's owner is Christian-friendly, Conservative, and opposes militant Atheism's Statist agenda, Police State Fascism, as well as the Statist agenda of Homofascist tyranny.

Liberator is PIMPING again.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#169. To: liberator, ibjensen, Goldi-Lox, (#129) (Edited)

Leaving AGAIN ... are you?

How many times does this make and how many of your various screen names are you taking with you?

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace  


#170. To: liberator (#159)

See ya at Liberty's Flame -- a forum at which we can still discuss the issues of the day.

P.S. -- It's owner is Christian-friendly, Conservative, and opposes militant Atheism's Statist agenda, Police State Fascism, as well as the Statist agenda of Homofascist tyranny.

Where does the site stand on support of Israel? If you heed Washington's Farewell Address are you a Nazi over there like you are here? I'm not big on religion myself but when I shave in the morning I see a white guy in the mirror. According to the owner of this site I should have been on trial at Nuremberg for such a crime.

I'm not looking to attack any nation on the AIPAC hit list, does the site regard that as heresy or hate speech?

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   10:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace  


#171. To: meguro, sneakypete, liberator, (#166)

I'm guessing you will fit right in over there.

He/she/it will just start posting his/her/its filth here as F16Fighter.

But stoner the crazed homophobe will love him/her/it over at el Pee Lite.

Yep!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace  


#172. To: liberator, sneakypete (#164)

I've been registered over there for years.

Nobody cares. No, REALLY, Atheist-Fascist

Wrong!

I care to read what Pete posts.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#173. To: Gatlin (#123)

"Goldi said that a DNA test provided her with clear evidence of her Jewish roots."

There's a Jew gene?

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   10:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace  


#174. To: liberator, ibjensen (#144)

You [Gatlin] are indicative of what's wrong with our nation.

Gatlin is a proud member of the ACLU. All you need to know about this POS.

WRONG!

Never have been ... never plan to be.

Just another of your Faux Christian lies ...

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace  


#175. To: sneakypete (#158)

Can you honestly blame Israel and the Israeli lobby for hitting America up for political support...

The lobby is a fifth column, no better than the Nazi Bund of Fritz Kuhn. It is understandable that Israel would make use of a fifth column to serve their own interest, just as Hitler did. But the fifth column is a fifth column, I don't care if the uber alles ideology used to justify their treason comes from Mein Kampf or the Talmud, they're a both alien to America and contrary to our national interest.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   10:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace  


#176. To: misterwhite (#173)

"Goldi said that a DNA test provided her with clear evidence of her Jewish roots."

There's a Jew gene?

Google "Jewish DNA Test" ...

If it's on the Internet, then it true ... so I read on the Internet.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#177. To: sneakypete (#141)

I agree with what you say.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace  


#178. To: Gatlin (#176)

"Google "Jewish DNA Test" ..."

I don't think so. Judaism is a chosen religion, not a race.

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace  


#179. To: liberator (#164)

I've been registered over there for years.

Nobody cares. No, REALLY, Atheist-Fascist.

Kiss! Kiss!

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace  


#180. To: liberator (#159)

"P.S. -- It's owner is Christian-friendly, Conservative, and opposes militant Atheism's Statist agenda, Police State Fascism, as well as the Statist agenda of Homofascist tyranny'

But you are doing a real good job of trashing it up.

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   10:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace  


#181. To: meguro (#166)

But stoner the crazed homophobe will love him/her/it over at el Pee Lite.

Not entirely. He does seem to go into that mode when he gets pissed at somebody,but you know as well as anyone that he likes to hear opposing viewpoints and from people he doesn't agree with. After all,he keeps letting you post there.

IMHO,stone is a good guy that sometimes lets his emotions overpower his intellect. Yeah,we all do this,but we don't all own and manage web sites.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace  


#182. To: sneakypete (#162)

"I've been registered over there for years."

Me too. Been there recently? Looks like the forum has been taken over by A K A Stone (aka liberator) who has a tremendous hard-on for you.

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   10:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#183. To: fallujah nuker (#167) (Edited)

If you think you can turn LF into a neo-con/neo-Nazi echo chamber,chances are you are going to be very disappointed in the long run.

So not wanting to invade other nations is Nazi? Wow!

I was addressing ibjensen with that comment,not you.

I have no idea why you pulled that comment out of your ass and addressed it to me.

I thought you guys kept saying that neo-con was a code word for Jew. Neo-cons want the US to invade Israels enemies, and we know the Nazis knew a thing or two about invading other nations. There seems to be a fine line to this whole invasion thing, if we invade were Nazis, but if we don't invade then we are Nazis? We're white, it seems that by your definition we're Nazis if we invade, and we're Nazis if we don't invade. Reductio ad sneakypetium seems to be that to be white is to be Nazi.

Ok,I had you confused with someone with an actual working intellect. My apologies.

WHERE did you get the idea that everything was about "white"? Don't give me that "I am white" BS answer,because that is irrelevant unless you really are so stupid you don't think non-whites,including Jews,blacks,Asians,and Semites can be fascists.

I'm going to type this slowly so maybe you can understand it. The fact that MOST Nazi's were and are white is irrelevant. That is nothing but a matter of appearance. The important factor is that they were and are fascists,and a fascist is nothing but a communist control freak that has evolved. WHITE people didn't murder all those millions of innocent people during WW-2,left-wing fascists and communists did the murdering,and skin color had nothing to do with it.

It is ideas and actions that are politically important,not physical appearances.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   10:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace  


#184. To: misterwhite (#178)

"Google "Jewish DNA Test" ..."

I don't think so. Judaism is a chosen religion, not a race.

Of course it is not a race ... but DNA testing is used to reveal "Jewish Ancestry,"

How DNA Testing Can Reveal Jewish Ancestry and Bolster the Zionist Narrative. Source.

Netanyahu may require DNA tests to prove immigrants have a Jewish ‘bloodline’ Source.

Many other articles on Google ...

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace  


#185. To: Vicomte13 (#139)

I am a fanatical Christian.

And a very "GOOD" one ... you are.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   10:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace  


#186. To: fallujah nuker, ALL (#170) (Edited)

Where does the site [LF] stand on support of Israel? If you heed Washington's Farewell Address are you a Nazi over there like you are here?

Lol...Nope, I believe there a "NO VOMIT" policy on those scores. The TRUTH will be discussed, statist/homosexual fascism discouraged...and Washington's Farewell Address IS considered a proud American moment. And NOT considered mere Goebbellian/NAZI propaganda.

Where does the site stand on support of Israel?

No egg shells to watch. I suppose that will depend on the individual respective posters and issues. NO nation, nationality, race, creed, or color gets a free ride in debate. The same exchange of pro-con ideas and debate will be considered. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Can't ask for more than that at any forum.

I'm not big on religion myself but when I shave in the morning I see a white guy in the mirror. According to the owner of this site I should have been on trial at Nuremberg for such a crime.

Ja, das vas unt odd criteria (were you hit with any vomit in the process, Herr Nuker? ;-) Not an exclusive "Christian" forum per se, but definitely NOT a militant, strident pro-Atheist/anti-Christian forum. An America-First, conservative forum.

I'm not looking to attack any nation on the AIPAC hit list, does the site regard that as heresy or hate speech?

I happen to despise Muzzie anything, but don't believe anything is verboten over there -- especially THE TRUTH. Leftist/Statist propaganda, lies and blame of Christians, Whitey, and the Founding Fathers ARE frowned upon.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#187. To: ibjensen (#138) (Edited)

It's all yours now you horse's ass.

It was never YOURS to give me ... you dog turd.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#188. To: Gatlin, ibjensen (#174)

Jensen, pathological liar Gatlin has OFTEN defended the ACLU -- even cut & past a HUGE list of the ACLU "accomplishments" that supposedly benefit America.

And btw, Gilligan -- who let you out of your Crypt? (Or is your frozen glass-jarred head doing the "posting"?)

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace  


#189. To: misterwhite (#173) (Edited)

There's a Jew gene?

There is/are genes that identify people of Semitic origins. Which is where Jews and their Arab brothers came from. Arabs weren't always Muslims.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace  


#190. To: fallujah nuker (#175)

I don't care if the uber alles ideology used to justify their treason comes from Mein Kampf or the Talmud, they're a both alien to America and contrary to our national interest.

Then blame the people who are actually at fault for supporting them,our professional political class.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace  


#191. To: sneakypete (#179)

Kiss! Kiss!

HA! You and meguro ARE one.

May I be the first to congratulate the two of you. I trust your Turnpike Exit 13 Truckstop wedding was lovely? Did you and Homo-San BOTH wear a garter? Who caught it? (or did you flip it to each other?)

*snicker*

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace  


#192. To: misterwhite (#182)

Been there recently?

Nope.

Looks like the forum has been taken over by A K A Stone (aka liberator) who has a tremendous hard-on for you.

I guess everybody needs a hobby,and if it keeps him out of the State Farm for Fools,it is time well spent.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace  


#193. To: sneakypete (#130)

I find it unacceptable that faux Christians are hypocrites with no humility and have developed a feeling of superiority with conceit that they are “saved” and all others are damned.

IMHO this happens because "Sunday Morning Christians" are a majority,and they follow the "If you don't expose me as a poser I will pretend you aren't a poser" philosophy.

IMHO I find the faux Christians are those who use God to fit their own desires and are self-proclaimed believers by labeling themselves Christians but shed all ties to traditional beliefs and practices. They cut their faith to fit their personal preferences.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace  


#194. To: sneakypete (#183)

WHERE did you get the idea that everything was about "white"?

Goldi, she used the word "White." She interjected my race into her screed, her attack specified my race. Goldi is the one who used "White" in her post, but you seem to have no problem with that.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace  


#195. To: Gatlin (#172) (Edited)

I care to read what Pete posts.

Aaw, how quaint. One Statist-fascist cares for the anti-Christian, pro-homo rantings of the other. Did YOU catch pete's garter from his and meguro Ex. 13 NJ Turnpike truckstop ceremony?

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace  


#196. To: Gatlin (#184)

"but DNA testing is used to reveal "Jewish Ancestry,"

Why? To get into some secret club? How about if I just get a letter from a Jewish guy I know saying that he's my friend?

Would it make any difference if the great-great-grandfather of some Islamic jihadist was a Jew?

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   11:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#197. To: liberator (#191)

Kiss! Kiss!

HA! You and meguro ARE one.

Admit it,you got a little excited,didn't you?

Maybe even more than a little.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace  


#198. To: fallujah nuker, sneakypete (#194)

Goldi, she used the word "White." She interjected my race into her screed, her attack specified my race. Goldi is the one who used "White" in her post, but you seem to have no problem with that.

Pete has a VERY select memory.

He missed Goldi's specific "white" comment (as though she's NOT??), and probably missed the word, "VOMIT!!" as well.

Of course he hasn't a problem with ANY of it. It proves he's accepted his lot an another White Guilter.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace  


#199. To: fallujah nuker (#194)

She interjected my race into her screed, her attack specified my race.

You own the white race?

Or maybe you were elected to represent whites?

When did all this happen?

I'm beginning to think everything is about race with you,not conservative governing.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace  


#200. To: misterwhite (#196)

"but DNA testing is used to reveal "Jewish Ancestry,"

Why? To get into some secret club? How about if I just get a letter from a Jewish guy I know saying that he's my friend?

Why? I don't know ... I didn't design the DNA test.

Would it make any difference if the great-great-grandfather of some Islamic jihadist was a Jew?

Not to me.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace  


#201. To: liberator (#195)

Did YOU catch pete's garter from his and meguro Ex. 13 NJ Turnpike truckstop ceremony?

What happens there,libby? It sure sounds like one of your favorite places.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#202. To: Gatlin (#193)

IMHO I find...

...YOU to be a boring Statist/ACLU tool, anti-Christian ignoramus, and badge-licking shIt-stirring propagandist.

You may now perform you usual tri-daily colonic then lie back into your crypt.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#203. To: sneakypete (#190)

Then blame the people who are actually at fault for supporting them,our professional political class.

You're putting the cart before the horse. They're the ones who have a lot to do with our political class being elected. Look at how they grovel before Sheldon Adelson to betray America to wars against Israel's enemies. Their fifth column lobby has a lot of clout, it is used to elect a political class that will betray America on their behalf, and they get what they pay for to the detriment of the other ninety-eight percent of America.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#204. To: misterwhite (#196)

"but DNA testing is used to reveal "Jewish Ancestry,"

Why?

Because that sort of thing is important to some people. They just want to know where they come from genetically.

It's obviously not important to you,so quit gnawing on it like a dog with a bone,and let it go.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace  


#205. To: sneakypete (#189)

"There is/are genes that identify people of Semitic origins"

Sure. I could understand a "semitic" gene. But that covers almost two dozen nationalities.

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   11:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#206. To: liberator (#202)

You may now perform ...

Nah!

I do what I want to and say what I want to ... both, when I want to.

You should know that by now ... retard!

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:21:55 ET  Reply   Trace  


#207. To: sneakypete (#201)

What happens there,libby?

I guess I didn't get an invite, Arch. Wha happened, racist/anti-Christian 24/7??!

Oh...I guess you two eloped. (I guess Turnpike exit truckstops 11 and 12 were already scheduled for gay "wedding" ceremonies?)

:-(

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace  


#208. To: liberator (#198)

Of course he hasn't a problem with ANY of it. It proves he's accepted his lot an another White Guilter.

Ahhh,it is good to see you are as astute as ever!

If there is one thing I am known for,it is being shy and retiring,and not standing up for myself.

I just LOVE being burdened with undeserved guilt by people I don't know.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace  


#209. To: liberator (#202)

You may now perform you usual tri-daily colonic then lie back into your crypt.

You seem to have some strange fantasies,libby.

Does all that happen at exit 13? Is that why you go there?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace  


#210. To: sneakypete, liberator (#209)

Does all that happen at exit 13? Is that why you go there?

He does appear to have "intimate" knowledge of the place ...

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#211. To: liberator (#198)

Pete has a VERY select memory.

He missed Goldi's specific "white" comment...

That stands out in his posts. We had a dog once that loved to chase cats, the local feed store had an enormous cat, thing was like the size of a bobcat, I had no idea cats could get that big. When I'd take our dog in, she would never see the cat even if he was two feet in front of her!. Dogs have an obligation to chase cats it seems, but if they do not see the cat they are relieved from their obligation. So she would "not see" the cat, although normally she could spot a cat a hundred yards off when she wanted to. Pete is really reminding me of that dog, he does not see the word "White" that Goldi posted and then acts as as though it is a red herring that I interjected into the debate. "White, white, who said anything about white?" "Cat, what cat, where?"

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace  


#212. To: misterwhite (#182)

misterwhite, aka LP's resident gubmit Police State propagandist, enabler of ALL police brutality and fascism, and all around Julius Streicher wanna-be.

Nice legacy, Herr Paulsen.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace  


#213. To: fallujah nuker (#203)

You're putting the cart before the horse. They're the ones who have a lot to do with our political class being elected. Look at how they grovel before Sheldon Adelson to betray America to wars against Israel's enemies.

You can't see that what the globalists,NOT entirely Jewish or from Israel, are doing is in their own best interests,and you can't blame them for acting in their best interests?

On the other hand,you also can't seem to understand that the ones that are TRULY guilty of harming America and deserving of your hatred are our own elected and appointed political classes that have ALL taken oaths to defend the US Constitution?

Do you also blame America for doing things that are in America's best interests on those rare occasions this happens?

Maybe I'm not doing a very good job of expressing my thoughts? Does anyone else have trouble understanding the point I am making?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#214. To: misterwhite (#205)

Sure. I could understand a "semitic" gene. But that covers almost two dozen nationalities.

I believe that the conventional orthodoxy at play here is that you are supposed to hate all the other Semitic peoples and worship the one Goldi joined up with, and if you do not hate the great majority of Semitic peoples then you are considered an anti-Semite.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace  


#215. To: liberator (#212) (Edited)

"misterwhite, aka LP's resident gubmit Police State propagandist, enabler of ALL police brutality and fascism, and all around Julius Streicher wanna-be."

How ya doin'?

I thought you were leaving.

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   11:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#216. To: misterwhite (#205)

Sure. I could understand a "semitic" gene. But that covers almost two dozen nationalities.

You obviously don't care,so why keep harping on it?

People have been trying to track down their ancestors and points of origin ever since written records were invented. This is just the most modern version.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#217. To: fallujah nuker (#211)

Pete is really reminding me of that dog, he does not see the word "White" that Goldi posted and then acts as as though it is a red herring that I interjected into the debate. "White, white, who said anything about white?" "Cat, what cat, where?"

Lol...Well stated analogy that nails the select memory and habit of posting red herring by pete when he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

There was NO reason for Goldi to include "White" into her unhinged anti-Christian screed. To miss it (like pete) wasn't an oversight; It was conspicuous by its mention AND ignoring it purposely. Goldi managed at least three disses-in-one post.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace  


#218. To: liberator (#207)

I guess I didn't get an invite, Arch.

Is that why you are so focused on it? Would you feel better about yourself if you do get invited to any of those turnpike exits?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace  


#219. To: misterwhite (#215)

Defending the FEMA Concentration Camps yet at Dachau, Herr Strricher? (Oh, you must be soooo sad that they aren't up and running yet :-(

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace  


#220. To: misterwhite (#215)

Nice edit. DOPEY.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace  


#221. To: sneakypete (#216)

"You obviously don't care,so why keep harping on it?"

I was simply curious about this so-called "Jew gene". Is there a Catholic gene, too?

misterwhite  posted on  2014-10-12   11:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace  


#222. To: fallujah nuker (#211)

Pete is really reminding me of that dog, he does not see the word "White" that Goldi posted and then acts as as though it is a red herring that I interjected into the debate.

I just don't care about "white" any more than I care about any of the other colors.

It's obviously of prime importance to you,so take that ball and keep running with it if it makes you happy,but I'm just not going to play your game.

BTW,I kind of vaguely remember Goldie being described as having blonde hair. She may well be "whiter" than you are.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace  


#223. To: sneakypete, liberator (#218)

Is that why you are so focused on it?

Unfortunately lubey is one who claims to follow the teaching of Jesus but his messages reflect poorly on Christianity.
He is one of the many who have shown themselves to behave quite the opposite to the messages they wish to espouse.
I usually dismiss his type as being insane or seeking attention.
He is comical. The funniest part is that he is convinced he is always right.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#224. To: sneakypete (#213)

You can't see that what the globalists,NOT entirely Jewish or from Israel

How did they go from not being the problem at all, to not being 100% of the problem? I never said they were 100% of the problem, a lot of patrician NE WASP's have sold out America too. But I'm not going to ignore someone who attacked my race, who is in turn a hypocrite who demands that America go abroad to fight the wars of here race/religion/tribe or whatever they are. She was perfectly willing to stab Pat Buchanan in the back and embrace the globalism of Jorge Arbusto, who could be counted upon to sell out America and invade Iraq. In your hatred of the New Testament of Liberator you seem to embrace the Old Testament of Goldi and Marguerite, or at least unwilling to allow that what's good for the goose is sauce for the gander.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace  


#225. To: fallujah nuker (#214)

I believe that the conventional orthodoxy at play here is that you are supposed to hate all the other Semitic peoples ......

You would have been golden if you had stopped there,but just had to ruin it by focusing entirely on the Jews again.

In fact,it seems to me that nobody hates Semites more than Semites from another tribe. They were happily murdering each other just like they have been doing for the last few thousand years,and then we had to stick our noses into what had been a family fight,and give them someone else to focus on and a reason to (temporarily) unite.

Maybe the dumbest damn thing this country has ever done,and the prime assholes to blame for this are the male whores in the Bush Crime Family.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace  


#226. To: misterwhite, sneakypete (#221)

Is there a Catholic gene, too?

Nope, but the Catholic Church welcomes genetic testing.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   11:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace  


#227. To: misterwhite (#221)

I was simply curious about this so-called "Jew gene". Is there a Catholic gene, too?

If that's what it takes to shut you up about this nonsense,let's just assume there is. You are clearly too thick to understand the concept that a Jew can be an adjective that can describe either or both a religion as well as a group of people who share bloodlines.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace  


#228. To: sneakypete (#222)

I just don't care about "white" any more than I care about any of the other colors.

Right? And yet for some strange reason Meguro likes to call you "Arch." Hers's just one example of how you don't "are about any of the other colors."

shebe at seben leben buy-in Skittles and Colt 45's to wash de tase ob crack out ob her mouf.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace  


#229. To: sneakypete (#225)

You would have been golden if you had stopped there,but just had to ruin it by focusing entirely on the Jews again.

In fact,it seems to me that nobody hates Semites more than Semites from another tribe. They were happily murdering each other just like they have been doing for the last few thousand years,and then we had to stick our noses into what had been a family fight,and give them someone else to focus on and a reason to (temporarily) unite.

They're the ones who want to make their racial/religious/tribal or whatever wars my business. I do not have a dog in that fight. The other Semitic peoples would welcome American neutrality in that conflict, it is only one branch of that tree that works to drag America into their wars of blood, tongue and faith. I do not want to be dragged into their wars, I am going to focus on those trying to drag me in, and there is one group that does that.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   11:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace  


#230. To: fallujah nuker, Goldi-Lox (#214)

I believe that the conventional orthodoxy at play here is that you are supposed to hate all the other Semitic peoples and worship the one Goldi joined up with...

+100

Additionally, there is the even more sad orthodoxy at play here -- that EVERYONE who is not in Goldi's/Marguerite's Cult Circle is an outsider AND their Enemy. That is how and why she concluded that Muslims = Christians.Note that now BOTH of them have been critical/distruting of a US military ops that bled, died, and helped free Europe (yes, with its remaining Jews) during WWII.

Biting the hand that feeds you (or vomiting on it) is never a wise move. Goldi's open contempt for Evangelists and other Christians as more than odd -- as THEY STILL actively support, lobby for, AND defend Israel with money and in DEED -- unlike elite Hollywood and New York Jewish Leftists and Militant Atheists (usually one and the same.)

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace  


#231. To: fallujah nuker, sneakypete (#228)

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=346777&Disp=1#C1

Oh, Meg's poor color-blind "Arch." Busted...AGAIN.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace  


#232. To: fallujah nuker (#224)

How did they go from not being the problem at all, to not being 100% of the problem?

They didn't. They have been behind wars and other troubles worldwide since the beginning of recorded time. They have been caught and slapped down (executed or imprisoned) many,many times over the centuries,and have always managed to come back and try once again to work in the background. Their goal is to own and control the world,and their God is Greed.

True,this started out with the Jews because due to Catholic biases Catholics were barred from lending money and charging interest,but for the last several hundred years it has been people of all colors and nationalities working behind the scenes.

They are more dangerous now than ever before because of the instant communications we have today,and because of instant communications they are now able to join forces and work as one large mega corporation.

Ruling the world was a hollow dream before instant communications including satellite "eyes in the sky" were developed.

IMHO,what they are going for today is nothing less than the entire world ran by "Worldwide Government,Inc",with the multi-billionaire bankers from all over the world having seats on the board as they divy up the economic zones they will control.

I don't know if you are familiar with the term "company town" or not,but if not look it up on the internet,and then invision "company world" and you will understand the total control they will have over everyone's life if they are ever allowed to succeed.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace  


#233. To: Gatlin (#223)

The funniest part is that he is convinced he is always right.

The funniest part is exposing you as a disgrace to the uniform you sullied all those years, a cut & paste BS artist and plagiarist, a Big Gubmint ACLU tool, a boot-licking Major Burns, and a crypo-Stalinist.

Have a nice day, Crypt Keeper.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   11:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace  


#234. To: fallujah nuker (#228)

Right? And yet for some strange reason Meguro likes to call you "Arch."

Don't blame ME because meg is a leftist that is obsessed with race.

shebe at seben leben buy-in Skittles and Colt 45's to wash de tase ob crack out ob her mouf.

So what? I correctly identified a black thug and highlighted the mindset of such creatures.

I guess that means in YOUR mind that I hate all blacks,not just black thugs?

I also do the same with retarded whites,yellows,etc,etc,etc.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   11:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace  


#235. To: fallujah nuker (#229)

The other Semitic peoples would welcome American neutrality in that conflict,

I guess by this you must think the Saud Royal Family are Jewish?

I'm betting that comes as a shock to them.

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   12:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#236. To: Gatlin (#168)

Gatlin": "MOMMY!!!!"

(shades of yu-klown...lol)

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   12:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace  


#237. To: liberator (#231) (Edited)

Oh, Meg's poor color-blind "Arch." Busted...AGAIN.

WHERE have I ever claimed to be color-blind,you idiot?

I slam stupid superstitious backwards crackers like you,just like I slam the gangbanger set. You are both at about the same level of value to the world.

It is interesting to see you taking Meg's side in those debates,though.

Does this mean the two of you are going steady now? Are you his bitch?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   12:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace  


#238. To: liberator (#233)

Have a nice day ...

That was not necessary ... every day is a wonderful day for me.

Gatlin  posted on  2014-10-12   12:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace  


#239. To: liberator (#233)

The funniest part is exposing you as a disgrace to the uniform you sullied all those years, a cut & paste BS artist and plagiarist, a Big Gubmint ACLU tool, a boot-licking Major Burns, and a crypo-Stalinist.

Does insanity run in your family,or are you the only one?

sneakypete  posted on  2014-10-12   12:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace  


#240. To: ibjensen (#0)

This is one more thread that's going down memory hole...better save it.

liberator  posted on  2014-10-12   12:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace  


#241. To: sneakypete (#235)

I guess by this you must think the Saud Royal Family are Jewish?

They want us to defend their stash from their Persian neighbors, and before that the USSR. The thing I dislike about them, and the other Gulf monarchs is that they are corrupt, but far worse they corrupt. And their regimes do not hold any sort of loyalty from the diaspora of Arabs abroad, so you do not have the same sort of ethnic fifth column demanding we support them. And as much as I revile them, they do at least have the saving grace of actually paying for the weapons they buy, unlike the tribute we are forced to tithe by the AIPAC fifth column.

fallujah nuker  posted on  2014-10-12   12:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace  


#242. To: out damned spot (#134)

out damned spot, I hope you will return.

Remember the words of Winston Churchill: Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, surrender!!!!!

GodSpeed old friend !!!!!!!

stoner  posted on  2014-10-12   12:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace  

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