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Title: Sprinting Towards Gomorrah
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Published: Dec 7, 2013
Author: Steve Deace
Post Date: 2013-12-07 11:39:35 by A K A Stone
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Have you ever wondered what it looks like when a culture collapses? Have you ever wondered if past cultures that collapsed throughout history knew what was about to happen to them? Did they see it coming, or were they blindsided by it? I’ve often asked myself those questions, but now I’m also asking myself a new one. Provided the Lord chooses not to return and culminate history, I’m now wondering if future generations will ask the same questions about us? There are several telltale signs of a culture in decline, or on the brink of collapse. One of which is when a culture fails to safeguard its future and ceases to be good stewards of its next generation. Wanting our children to have a better future than we had is one of the most basic instincts of those who are image-bearers of the Creator. Even some of the most cunning and ruthless men in human history were doting fathers. It takes an especially toxic and potent mixture of narcissism and self-loathing to produce a culture that no longer places the needs of its offspring above its most carnal desires. Such a culture we have sadly become. And I’m not even talking about abortion, which is the gravest moral injustice of our time. Tragically, anthropologists will tell you every culture in human history has eventually practiced some form of child sacrifice. Ours is just the next in line. The only difference is we’re not sacrificing our kids to a pagan deity for a bountiful harvest or eternal salvation. We sacrifice our babies on the altar of personal convenience instead. But you can’t expect a culture to protect its unborn when it has so little regard for its already-born, and there are two recent stories that indicate we could seemingly care less about our children. ABC News just did a story on the “gospel of polyamory,” which means having multiple romantic and sexual partners in an open relationship together. Titled “the end of marriage,” the story said “more couples are opting to become triples or fourples, with live-in lovers spicing up the marital bed and helping to raise the children.” The natural human family (i.e. one man and one woman living together in holy matrimony) is one of the cornerstones of a civilized society, for its how we’re intended to procreate the species while also passing along our value system to the next generation. What kind of value system is being passed on to the children of such relationships? What kind of value system do you think they’ll champion once they become adults? Probably one that looks sadly similar to what we saw during this year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade. There was Snoopy, Spider-Man, SpongeBob, Hello Kitty, and cross-dressers. Wait? What? Were those actual cross-dressers? As in actual men dressed in drag? You ain’t just whistling Robert Mapplethorpe. It’s true. This year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade featured a performance from the cast of the hit Broadway musical Kinky Boots, complete in all their risqué cross-dressing regalia. Kinky Boots is about the “heroic” exploits of a “fabulous drag queen performer” (and is there any other kind?) named Lola, who teaches her stodgy Northern England village a politically-correct lesson about acceptance all the while saving a family shoe business. Two of the memorable songs from Kinky Boots are titled “Sex is in the heel” and “I am not my father’s son.” Probably not what most Americans had in mind when they turned on the TV to watch the parade with their kids, I would imagine. Drag queens are now “TV-G” according to NBC. Of course, if you disagree you’re just a “hater” and a “bigot.” Some liberals on Twitter were actually excited that parents at the parade or watching it on TV might have to explain “trannies” to their children. Adults caught in the tangled web of immorality used to put on a false front if it meant protecting the innocence of our children. Now we shamelessly flaunt our impurities and condemn those who don’t want to rob their children of their innocence. And I say this as someone who is not a prude, and I’m sometimes criticized by some of my fellow Christians for my willingness to discuss sexuality honestly. But there’s having an all-too-honest discussion about the world we live in and the struggles we all face within it among fellow adults, and then there’s targeting children with beliefs and behaviors even pagan and humanistic societies knew enough to shield their children from. The “red light district” is becoming “Main Street, USA” in our day and age. Who knows, maybe we’ll escape the cultural catastrophe that has been the result of all other historic examples of “human nature gone wild.” But I doubt it. Ironically, this is all happening as politically correct Hollywood is gearing up its publicity machine for a movie next spring with an A-list cast about the great flood and Noah’s Ark, which is the first example in history of what happens to a civilization when fallen human nature refuses to be restrained. However, at least one early reviewer of the film’s script says the movie bypasses all of that to espouse environmentalist propaganda instead. In a blog titled “Darren Aronofsky’s Noah: Environmentalist Wacko,” filmmaker Brian Godawa says, “If you were expecting a biblically faithful retelling of the story of the greatest mariner in history and a tale of redemption and obedience to God, you’ll be sorely disappointed.” So on one hand our culture shows contempt and disdain for its future generations. And then is so narcissistic that it thinks it can unilaterally revise the standard for judgment and accountability for such heinous actions on the other. Unless revival happens, that is probably a culture living on borrowed time. 
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#1. To: sneakypete, Fred Mertz (#0)
But you just shrug your shoulders and say it doesn't matter. Just like Obama.
It's doesn't matter to me because I never watch these lame-ass parades,and if I had any children I assure you they would have better things to do than sit in the house and watch a parade on tv. In fact,I had never even heard of that cross-dressing musical until YOU brought it up. Since you obviously did watch the whole parade on tv,was there NOTHING of interest to you in the parade? Nothing that promoted the values or the interests you have? Or is your only interest related to others sexual activity?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't watch parades either. The point is it permeates the society. Partially because of immoral indifference from people like you.
Stoned seems fixated on others' sexuality and religion. I'll bet he'd ban beer and booze if he were dictator. I'm not sure if dancing would be authorized either. And missionary position only!
That's what happens when you're a frustrated, closet gay who hates himself, can't come to grips with his own sexuality, and doesn't have any sex himself. I know, been there, done that. It's no way to live life. I pity him and hope he manages to overcome it someday.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
That sure is some nice God you worship. The SOB sets fire to a whole city of people because they don't worship him,and you see nothing wrong with that?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Isaiah 55: 6 Seek the Lord while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the Lord, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. 8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Cool. I was there.
To: redleghunter That sure is some nice God you worship. The SOB sets fire to a whole city of people because they don't worship him,and you see nothing wrong with that? His deity is a sick masochist.
From some of the comments I've read it sounds like having a little bit of morality in ones life is something that's just too hard to live with, and they think themselves to be adults. tsk, tsk, tsk.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Since when do YOU get to define MY morality? Are you saying I should help you set fire to the pots of oil you want to dunk the "immoral" into? BTW,adults are people with the maturity to think for themselves,not mindless children that have to blindly follow a superstitious doctrine.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I didn't know morality was a superstitious doctrine? I always thought it was something to strive for kinda like integrity, honesty, loyalty or being a law abiding citizen. People lacking these qualities is what seems to be bringing civilization down.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Of course it is when it comes as a part of a religious doctrine. And it always does because nobody on the planet thinks they are more moral than the followers of any religion. And the truth is nothing is more immoral than organized religions because they want nothing less than total control over everybody on the planet,and every nation. I always thought it was something to strive for kinda like integrity, honesty, loyalty or being a law abiding citizen. If you have to strive for it,you will never have it. People lacking these qualities is what seems to be bringing civilization down Nobody has killed off more civilizations that the Catholic Church.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Damn Pete. This explains it all to us. Morality is morality. You don't get to define it. You don't know right from wrong. All these years and you haven't figured that simple truth out.
Damn. You sink lower. You hate the constituion and Declaration of Independance. You certainly aren't a cultural American. More like a cultural marxist in many many respects. You haven't a clue.
The Iowa GOP caucus.
Of course I know right from wrong,and I don't need a book to instruct me. For example,I know it is morally wrong to try to deny the same rights you enjoy to other American citizens.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ahhh,the irony! I guess you think it is Constitutional to have different classes of citizens with different rights,and that our rights are dependent on the approval of others? BTW,Bubba,Marxists are people that demand everybody follow the company line. Like you,they considered homosexuals to be sub-citizens,and jailed them or locked them away in mental institutions. Now,care to tell us all who is more of a Marxist,you,or me?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No one is for denying anyone any rights. Fags don't have a right to pretend to be married. You're into the fag culture just like Obama. You're like Obama in several ways.
Fags don't have a right to pretend to be married. ROFLMAO! I guess you are a follower of the Stalin/Hitler/every other dictator line of "reason" that nobody has any rights you aren't willing to grant them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
What you have no standards? God has standards.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
There was a man from Germany who said similar things not too long ago.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
And the truth is nothing is more immoral than organized religions because they want nothing less than total control over everybody on the planet,and every nation. Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord. 5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous. 6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the Lord is his refuge. 7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the Lord bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Atheists • Atheists and agnostics comprise 9% of adults nationwide (2007); 6% of souls over 61, 9% of those ages 42-60, 14% of those 23-41, and 19% of those 18-22. Indications from the past indicate that these beliefs stay fairly constant through life. http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx? Page=BarnaUpdateNarrowPreview&BarnaUpdateID=272 • In 2008, 70% of Americans believed in a personal God, roughly 12% of Americans are atheist (no God) or agnostic (unknowable or unsure), and another 12% are deistic (a higher power but no personal God). The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) 2008. http://www.americanreligionsurvey- aris.org/reports/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf • Among 5 groups, American atheists and agnostics were the segment most likely to describe themselves as being politically liberal (32%) and were the group least likely to describe themselves as being conservative (4%) http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/66-american-faith-is- diverse-as-shown-among-five-faith-based-segments? tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • Protestants constitute 51% of the total US adult population, with Catholics being 24%, and Jewish, Mormon, Atheist and Agnostic all being 2%. Total Unaffiliated: 16%. Orthodox, “Jehovah's witnesses” (so-called) and Buddhist were at 1%, while “Other Christian, Hindus and Other World Religion were 0.5%. All figures rounded off. http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious- landscape-study-full.pdf ' • 42% of American atheists and agnostics (who make up approx. 8% of the American adult population) claimed to be stressed out,and 14% said they were lonely. 68% were concerned about the moral condition of th country, versus 98% of evangelicals, and 4% describe themselves as being conservative, versus 64% of evangelicals, but 71% of the former said they have traditional or family- oriented values., with 96% of the latter group concurring. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/80-peoples-faith- flavor-influences-how-they-see-themselves • Evangelicals averaged 6% participation in each of eight behaviors, (exposure to pornography, using profanity in public, gambling, gossiping, engaging in sexual intercourse with someone to whom they were not married, retaliating against someone, getting drunk, and lying.) http://www.barna.org/barna- update/article/16-teensnext-gen/25-young-adults-and-liberals-struggle-with- morality Note : unlike other pollsters, Bara evangelicals, being a movement, are not identified by religious denomination or self-identification, but according to responses to basic criteria: See http://www.barna.org/barna- update/article/13-culture/111-survey-explores-who-qualifies-as-an-evangelical? tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= and http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC- Stats_vs._Evang.html • Skeptics (atheist or agnostic) averaged five times the level (29%) of evangelicals. Common acts among skeptics included exposure to pornography (50%), gossip (34%) and drunkenness (33%) http://www.barna.org/barna- update/article/16-teensnext-gen/25-young-adults-and-liberals-struggle-with- morality • While only representing 10% of the population, the segment of the prison population which self-identifies as non-religious is approximately twice as large as found in the general population.” http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html • Among 5 groups, American atheists and agnostics were the segment most likely to describe themselves as being politically liberal (32%) and were the group least likely to describe themselves as being conservative (4%) http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/66-american-faith-is- diverse-as-shown-among-five-faith-based-segments? tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • 70% of self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics affirmed abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances, while 60% approve of clergy performing gay marriages, and 90% approve of cohabitation. ^ • More than three out of four of self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics embrace pornography as a moral behavior; and 66% deem drunkenness and using profanity to be morally acceptable acts. ^ • 75% of the above say that all moral truth is relative to the person and circumstances; only 10% believe in absolute moral truth. ^ • Self-proclaimed American atheists and agnostics were the group that is least concerned (41%) about the moral condition of the nation. ^ • 30% of atheists and agnostics grew up regularly attending Christian churches. Just 10% believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches; only 25% say their religious faith is very important in their life; and 15% reject belief in the existence of Satan; 13% do not believe in the reality of the Holy Spirit, and 20% reject that Jesus led a sinless life. ^ • A major survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that only 14% of atheists and 10% of agnostics believe that homosexuality is a way of life that should be discouraged by society, versus 51% of of Protestant churches (64% of Evangelical) and 30% of Catholics. http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-key- findings.pdf • Just 13% of atheists and 14% of agnostics believe abortion should be illegal in most cases, versus 49% of Protestant churches (61% of Evangelical) and 45% of Catholics. ^ • Only 19% of atheists said their values are threatened by Hollywood, versus 53% of those in evangelical churches , 46% of Protestant churches and 43% of Catholics. ^ • Atheists and agnostics religious skeptics were also much less likely to be driven to have a clear sense of purpose in life (55%, compared to 77% of all American adults) or to want just one marriage partner for life (58% versus an 80% U.S. average). They were also less interested in making a difference in the world (45%, versus 56% nationally) and in having close friendships, http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-congregations/29-survey-reveals- the-life-christians-desire (2008) and the least likely to look forward to spending time with friends http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/13- culture/145-americans-just-want-a-good-night-of-sleep? tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • 56% atheists and agnostics believe that “radical Christianity” is just as threatening in America as is radical Islam. http://www.barna.org/barna- update/article/12-faithspirituality/102-atheists-and-agnostics-take-aim-at- christians?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • 22% of those who self-identified as having No Religion in 2001 were living together with a partner outside marriage (fornication), versus 6% or less of those in Catholic or Protestant denominations. ARIS 2001, p. 27 http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf However, the 2008 Pew study shows the first category as 10%: http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report- religious-landscape-study-full.pdf • 51% of atheists and 42% of adults who associate with a faith other than Christianity had co-habited. http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/atheists_divorce.htm • Based upon the percentage of single adults from the The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) 2001, atheists are 58.7 percent more likely to get divorced than Pentecostals and Baptists, the two born-again Christian groups with the highest rate of divorce, and more than twice as likely to get divorced than Christians in general. Stated in “The Irrational Atheist," by Vox Day, (Dallas, TX: BenBella Books, Inc., 2008). http://www.scribd.com/doc/7682654/The- Irrational-Atheist-by-Vox-Day based upon (ARIS) 2001 http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf • The percent currently divorced or separated varies from a low of 6% (Jehovah’s Witnesses) to a high of 14% (Pentecostals), with Catholics and No Religion being 9%. ^ • At 19%, the No Religion group showed the lowest incidence of marriage of all twenty-two groups. In sharp contrast, those identifying with the Assemblies of God or Evangelical/Born Again Christians showed the highest proportions married, 73% and 74% respectively. ^ • In the U.S. population as a whole, 48 percent of adults are male, as are 47 percent Catholic adults. By comparison, males account or 56 percent of the no- religion group, 70 percent of Atheists, and 75 percent of Agnostics. ^ Also, the Pew Research Landscape study finds 70% of atheists and 64% of agnostics are male, and 30% and 34% respectively, are female. http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf • While Pentecostals, Baptists, and Mainline Christians are 56%-58% female, those who profess no religion or self-identified as atheists or agnostics have a ratio of 60 males to 40 females. (ARIS) 2001 http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf • 37 percent of all Americans, and 55 percent of atheists are are under age 35. Only 20 percent of the latter are 50 and over. http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf ^ • As regards voter registration (2001), those with No Religion were 43% Independent, 30% Democrat, and 17% Republican. Those identifying as Evangelical/Born Again were 58% Republican, 20% Independent and 12% Democrat. ^ • Self-proclaimed American atheists and agnostics were the group most likely to define themselves as “mostly liberal” on current issues in 2002. They were also least likely to donate any money to a religious center or non-profit organization. Among those who did donate funds to non-profits, atheists and agnostics gave away the least amount of money during the year. 5 http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/66-american-faith-is- diverse-as-shown-among-five-faith-based-segments? tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page • 78% of atheists and agnostics were registered to vote, versus 89% of active- faith Americans. 20% of the former volunteer to help a non-church-related non- profit, and 41% of said they personally helped or served a homeless or poor person versus 30% and 61%, respectively, of active-faith Americans. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/102-atheists-and- agnostics-take-aim-at-christians?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • The typical no-faith American donated $200 in 2006, versus $1500 contributed by the prototypical active-faith adult. Even when church-based giving is subtracted from the equation, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars last year as did atheists and agnostics, and only 7% of active-faith adults failed to contribute any personal funds in 2006, versus 22% among the no-faith adults. ^ • 12% of atheists and agnostics were focused on living a comfortable, balanced lifestyle, versus 4% of Christians in general. to be 10% of the former class were focused on acquiring wealth, versus 2% of the latter. ^ • 25% of atheists and agnostics said the phrase "deeply spiritual" accurately describes them, while 67% described themselves as being "at peace,” a state 90% of Christians affirmed. ^ • About 40% of skeptics were registered as Democrats, 40% as independents and just 20% as Republicans. 76% of atheists and agnostics gave their vote to Sen. Obama, while only 23% backed Sen. McCain. That is a step up from the level of support Democrats have previously received from skeptics. In 2004, 64% of atheists and agnostics voted for Democratic challenger John Kerry. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/13-culture/18-how-people-of-faith- voted-in-the-2008-presidential-race?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= • On average, weekly churchgoers donate 3.8% of their income to charity, compared to 0.8% for those who never go. Independent Sector (charitable clearing house): Atheists won’t save Europe by Don Feder; http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27937 • Religious citizens who make $49,000 gave away about 3.5 times as much money as secular citizens with the same income. They also volunteered twice as often, are 57 percent more likely to help homeless persons, and two-thirds more likely to give blood at their workplace. Arthur C. Brooks' Who Really Cares. http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2008/001/8.11.html • On questions about Christianity in 2010, which included various questions about the Bible, Mormons (7.9 out of 12 right on average) and white evangelical Protestants (7.3 correct on average) showed the highest levels of knowledge. Jews (7.9 out of 11) and atheists/agnostics (7.4) had the best grades on questions about other world religions, including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism. White mainline Protestants scored 5.8 and 4.9 respectively, and white Catholics scored 5.9 and 5.1. The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, “U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey,” Spet. 28. 2010 Back Sources collected from http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
There you go again. ALWAYS confusing the Catholic church with Christianity. It isn't. Catholicism is codified paganism courtesy of Roman emperor Constantine. Constantine was a pagan til the day he died.
war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
So, are you saying homosexuality is a disgusting perversion? Or just when it is practiced by the GOP? How come meguro doesn't get on your case, 'judging' his chosen defining character trait? Politics does make for some strange bedfellows.
war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
You mean the former Catholic that created a new religion? Seems like he and his BFF prior to the invasion of the USSR were both religious. Stalin went to seminary school to become a priest.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Repeating words written in a book of fiction is a meaningless exercise. Although it is one step above posting propaganda cartoons to brainwash the children.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There IS no confusion about this because prior to Martin Luther and the Reformation,the Catholic Church WAS the Christian religion. Protestants are nothing more than a offshoot of Catholicism.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Show me the evidence.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Go tell that to the Eastern Orthodox among others in the East who refused to kiss the bishop of Rome's ring. I think the Waldensians would have been surprised too.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Really Hitler and Staliin were practicing Christians? Where's the evidence? The evidence is stacked against both of them. The fruit must match the tree ya know. But since you mentioned that, there is a Chick tract for that too.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Indeed: 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
In some circumstances I think that's true, but I think that's a small minority of religious followers. (At least of the ones I know). The way I see the Bible is it's a book of expectations and warnings. It says what you should expect if you live your life as a decent person and it's a warning to those who live like an immoral POS. It's just reinforcement to lessons you should have learned from friends and family as you grew up.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Pete lets see. You don't know right from wrong. You make stuff up. Hillary and Obama are the stalinists. You agree with them about sex perverts. Society doesn't have to let sex perverts change the meanings of words in order to make them feel accepted. Carrying your stupidity to its conclusion would meant that Mike Tyson could have been on the womans Olympic boxing team. Like I said. You're stupid.
Protestants are nothing more than a offshoot of Catholicism. Like I said. YOu're stupid.
Of course I have standards. But mine are clearly defined at least somewhat differently than yours. Yours comes from your religious faith, while mine doesn't. And do you really still cling to that rather conceited notion that only religious people can have standards? What utter nonsense. As sneaky states, you wish to impose your standards and morality on every one else. And as I stated before, you wish to dictate to everyone else, and even use the government as a vehicle to do so. The cartoon is very appropriate, and accurate.
Sure thing. God has never showed up for a book signing. Prove me wrong.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Catholic Church preceded both of them,and was the only Christian religion for hundreds of years. If they had their way,they would still be the only Christian religion.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not even the Bible? LOL.
As children,anyhow. Stalin went to divinity school as a young man with the intention of becoming a priest. Hell,"Priest" was a career field for KGB officers in the old USSR.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Because meguro choses his battles wisely, and ignores the rest.
You make stuff up. Hillary and Obama are the stalinists. You agree with them about sex perverts. Correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't YOU the one that agrees with Stalin and Hitler that homosexuals are criminals who are insane,and need to be imprisoned or killed? Or am I wrong and you think homosexual Americans are citizens of this country and have the same civil rights as the rest of us,including the right to get married in a civil ceremony?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Like I said. YOu're stupid. Really? Ever heard of a dude named Martin Luther? Where do you think he came from?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yawn. Your propaganda bores me.
Or am I wrong and you think homosexual Americans are citizens of this country and have the same civil rights as the rest of us,including the right to get married in a civil ceremony? Why are you so right about this, and so wrong about everything else? :-)
Sounds like you live in an unhealthy world with AIDS/HIV on the rise, again. You may die based on your own decisions about your own personal health.
Have faith in Jesus, and party like a wiccan!.. and you'll go to heaven? Good and evil is so old school, and Catholic like. That's one hell of a loophole that the protestants found! Chick is reading far more into those two verses, than is there. I wonder if the prots even bother to read the ten commandments, and the rest of the bible. The only part of the bible that matters, in the palm of your hand
The may be true, but have little to do with my being gay. Probably more to do with my lousy diet.
I'm right about everything else too,but you can't see it because this is the only issue important to you. This is personal,or you would disagree with me on this,too. For example,you must have read dozens of posts by me where I say blacks have the same rights as the rest of us,and you still insist on calling me a racist. Which is one reason why I say you have shit for brains.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Uh huh. Yet there you are, denigrating the black race, mocking them, accusing them of being racists all while making racial slurs yourself.
They ARE racists,you shithead. If you actually knew any of them you would know this. Racism against whites is ACCEPTABLE and commonplace amongst blacks. Then again,you have shit for brains,so how would you know?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Oh yeah, each and every one of them, but there are NO white racists, eh? You betcha, Arch!
WHERE and WHEN did I make that claim,shithead? In FACT,I have stated that EVERYBODY is a racist according to the modern definition,regardless of skin color or the lies they tell to claim any different. Preferring to be with and associate with those who look and think like you is the most natural thing in the world. Today,that is called racism if you are white,but not mentioned at all if you aren't white.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I have not stated such. God has standards and He gave them to us. NO ONE can ever meet those standards even close to 100%. That's the point. Only God can make us a new creature spiritually (clean the inside) to where our focus and desire becomes wanting to obey Him because we love Him. When Jesus Christ healed people they were fully healed and restored. He can do the same for all of us and fully heal and restore our decaying and dying souls. With the promise of bodily resurrection as well. Here's the beauty of it. Romans 5: Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Prove me wrong. What is better than a book signing? How about showing up alive with a resurrected body three days after witnesses put the same Man in a tomb who was dead. Then of course He did not just appear to a few. He appeared to hundreds after His resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15: Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Ah, I think A Pole would beg to differ as well as all Eastern Orthodox.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Well God has: Exodus 24: 12 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.” 13 So Moses arose with his assistant Joshua, and Moses went up to the mountain of God. 14 And he said to the elders, “Wait here for us until we come back to you. Indeed, Aaron and Hur are with you. If any man has a difficulty, let him go to them.” 15 Then Moses went up into the mountain, and a cloud covered the mountain. Exodus 31: 18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God. Exodus 34: And the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke. 2 So be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself to Me there on the top of the mountain. I would consider that "autographed copies" at the least.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Will have to have A Pole comment on the KGB being full of RO priests.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Have you visited the Meguro parasite museum? 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Given that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, gays have just as much a right of getting "married" as a man demanding to become pregnant.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
That's one hell of a loophole that the protestants found! Chick is reading far more into those two verses, than is there. I wonder if the prots even bother to read the ten commandments, and the rest of the bible. Some do ignore the Big 10 and preach a mental ascent as "good enough." In fact the tradition of tracts is to get the point across so those who are led by the Holy Spirit will examine the scriptures presented. So your impression that "just say the words" and party on to sin city is a common retort. However, one of which shows a reprobate mind and heart. For one who has saving faith it is a gift from God. The God induced regeneration of the heart, mind and soul leads the sinner to godly sorrow, which leads to repentance (a change of mind which turns from sin) which leads to salvation. 2 Corinthians 7: 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. Through Christ Jesus we are made a new creature: 2 Corinthians 5: 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. As a new creature in Christ Jesus we now love His Way, His Law and our desire through the Power of the Holy Spirit is to please Him because we love Him: Ephesians 2: 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. And we are told by Paul what exactly Christian conduct should be and if you are familiar with the Torah, he is giving the Gentiles a crash course on the Law: Ephesians 4: 17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; 19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. 20 But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. 25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. 29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Kind of telling isn't it. Paul is confirming what Jesus Christ said about "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." So those with saving faith and walk on down the river to get baptized to proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior don't get a back stage pass to the next Lady Gaga porn show. No, we are new creatures created for righteous works. Our works are not accounted to us for righteousness because even those works are a "Work" of God. So you will have to search elsewhere to find a "hedonistic" antinomian 'christian.' I am sure there are some out there who follow the teaching of Anne Hutchinson and the like. Did I suitably answer your inquiry?
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Really? Perhaps this one will interest you: 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Sounds good to me! Trot him out! He walks out of a tomb and tosses a few thunderbolts around,and I'm a believer. BTW,wasn't it Jesus that is supposed to have done this,not the big kahuna himself?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Exodus 24: 12 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.” You have ZERO evidence of this ever happening,other that was was written by people who didn't see it hundreds of years after it happened. Which is zero proof. You are just accepting it as an article of faith.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ok,then why do you get so worked up about it?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you really think cartoons are proof of anything? Batman and Robin are two cartoon characters,and they are as queer as a 3 dollar bill.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Have you visited the Meguro parasite museum? I have actually. Fascinating museum.
Nope, sorry.
From Oxford dictionary marriage Pronunciation: /Èmarjd’/ 1 the formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife: a happy marriage the children from his first marriage [as modifier]: marriage vows (in some jurisdictions) a formal union between partners of the same sex. [mass noun] the state of being married: they were celebrating 50 years of marriage 2a combination or mixture of elements: her music is a marriage of funk, jazz, and hip hop
Because he doesn't like giving up his sense of entitlement to dictate what gays can and cannot do in their lives. He realizes that that is happening and it rocks his world.
Jesus Christ is God. Truly God, Truly Man. Son of God, Son of Man. Yeshua HaMashiach...It is all there in the Name. So 500 eyewitnesses not good enough evidence?
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
How did you come up with 100s of years later? Where's that evidence? Exodus testifies that Moses also wrote down everything God told him. You will have to present evidence which shows someone is bearing false witness.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Because as it is absurd for a man to bear a child so is "gay marriage." You could demand to be called Maestro even though you never played an instrument nor conducted.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Why? Because you say so? Some would say it's absurd for a man to worship a deity that he can't prove exists, but we don't ban you from doing it.
Politically correct dictionaries can't change an absolute. If someone passes a law in Idaho saying a square now has 5 sides, does not change that it actually still has four sides. Rulers make straight lines not crooked lines.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Well men are disenfranchised for not being able to bear children. So let's pass a law to change that. Absurd.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Oxford dictionary political correct? That's a new one. So now you know the English language better than Oxford? And yes, if a state or jurisdiction passes a law legalizing gay marriage, gay marriage does indeed exist in that state or jurisdiction, and gays can legally marry their partners. Someday, you're going to have to come to that realization... or not.
You could always try. Good luck with it.
There is plenty of evidence for God's existence. You proved in the past to refuse to examine the evidence.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
What evidence? Those cartoons you post? The Bible, which could have been written by anyone? Sorry, there's a reason why it's called "belief" or "faith." Look up those words in the "politically correct" dictionary if they confuse you.
Faith is not based on a leap in the dark. Again you refused in the past to examine the Scriptures and immediately dismiss them.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Sure it is. It exists to explain the unexplainable via science. I find your religion as absurd as you find gay marriage. You refuse to acknowlege that members of the same sex can love each other just like members of the opposite sex. You refuse to even consider it. That's absurd to me. I asked you many times why homosexuality is such a sin. Not once could you answer the question, aside from "God says so." Sorry, that's just not good enough for anyone but your fellow fundamentalists. You ever wonder why gay marriage is being legislated in more and more places around the world? Because more and more people see through the bullshit of your religion.
Ok,prove it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
OHHHHH,the irony! Exodus testifies that Moses also wrote down everything God told him. Exodus didn't read anything. People read Exodus,and I have read that Bill Clinton was the first black president,and that Obummer is a genius. You will have to present evidence which shows someone is bearing false witness. It doesn't work that way. Nobody can prove a negative. Your problem is you can't prove your positive unless the Big Guy wants to make a personal appearance,and we both know that's not going to happen.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
So,women who can't conceive for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to marry?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yes,it is. That's why all that is required is faith,not proven facts.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
A better explanation would be legislators see it as a way of getting re-elected by the dumb masses, even though they know it's bullshit!
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
No dumb ass. But you should go to your witch doctor and have him stick an ice pick up the side of your eye sockets. See if he can reconnect something that is missing. You're not a real American. Certainly not a cultural one.
Only dumb asses thing you can't prove a negative. Of course you can. Proving to everyone that you don't have a logical mind. Scatter brained. You hit and miss.
Sneakypete can't prove that he is non existant. Think about what sneaky said. He asserted a negative as it is a fact. Then said you can't prove it. Totally contradicting what I'm sure he thought was a ground breaking "fact" that only he was aware of. Lol. He thought he was enlightening you. What a joke of a mind the old timer has.
Is that some more of your brilliant thinking? ROTFLOL. Exodus is a book. The book testifies to what it does. Exodus wasn't a person silly. Go back to third grade and learn some vocabulary words and some reading comprehension.
Why would anyone acknowledge sometihng that is not true. A figment of the demented's imagination. Homosexuality is a sin because God said so. Some proof is that a penis fits in a vagina withough getting shit all over it.
What's bullshit? Religion?
Question for you ice pick. What facts are required to not believe in the obvious. Yes the obvious because the creation declares that it was made by God. You don't see any evolution happening do you? Or are you just one of those monkey fuckers?
History repeats itself. Soddom and Gommorah. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Just because you are afraid of girls. You don't have to try to make yourself feel better by being with some freak who is afraid of girls. Why are you afraid of girls. You're a sissy aren't you.
Homosexuality is a sin because God said so. Some proof is that a penis fits in a vagina withough getting shit all over it. You might actually be the dumbest, most mentally retarded person on the face of the planet.
Just because you are afraid of girls. You don't have to try to make yourself feel better by being with some freak who is afraid of girls. Why are you afraid of girls. You're a sissy aren't you. When are you coming out of the closet dipshit?
No dumb ass. Then make up your mind because you had just written "Given that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, gays have just as much a right of getting "married" as a man demanding to become pregnant." yesterday. Which is it? Should homosexual marriages be forbidden because they can't have children,or should they? You clearly imply that non-fertile women can get married,and since I know you are over 8 years old you surely understand the concepts of logic and not being able to have it both ways. But you should go to your witch doctor and have him stick an ice pick up the side of your eye sockets. See if he can reconnect something that is missing. I'm not the one that believes in spooks and demons. That's you,but please feel free to follow your own advise if you feel guilty and feel the need to be punished. You're not a real American. Certainly not a cultural one. NOW you are going to try to make the claim that *I* am not an American because I'm not a member of your superstitious religious cult. Good thing you don't get to decide the law in this country,or you would have me as well as members of religious cults other than your own punished for being "unbelievers". And yet you STILL wonder why people say you are the same as the fundie Muslims or the Taliban? "Gentle follower of the Prince of Peace",heal thyself before you go throwing accusations around about others.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You wrote that without even thinking about it,didn't you? YOU can't even prove the positive that is the basis of your faith,and you have a head thick enough to accuse someone else of not having a logical mind because they can't prove that God exists? Even your God can't prove he exists. WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR RELIGION IDENTIFIES ITSELF AS A FAITH,dumbass?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That's nothing. YOU can't prove God does exist.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No shit. Figure that out all by yourself,did you? The book testifies to what it does. Books don't testify. Or do much of anything but just lay there. Only people testify. Exodus wasn't a person silly. Therefore it can't testify. Or maybe you believe every word in the books Obummer had written for him? After all,in YOUR mind they "testify".
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
His illegitimate son,the one he had with someone else's wife,said "Love your fellow man",and hung around with nobody but a bunch of hairy-assed men. Seems to me like if you want to be the True Believer you claim to be,you would be a homo yourself.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
What's scary is you actually believe that makes sense. Facts are needed to PROVE something. The LACK of facts is what disproves any claim. Or at least disproves it as far as anything can be disproven. You don't see any evolution happening do you? Are you so ignorant that you think evolution happens overnight? Never mind. The answer is obvious. Or are you just one of those monkey fuckers? No,but you would fuck a monkey if somebody wrote that God wanted you to fuck monkeys or your cult leader told you it was Godly to do so.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
As you should know, proof is subjective. What you seek is objective evidence. Here it is: http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-American-Standard-Bible-NASB/
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Again, here is the evidence I present. I have others as well that show an unbroken chain throughout history. First you must debunk the evidence presented. Here it is. It is a long read but if you do so a moderate pace you can finish examining the evidence in less than a year. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
"Faith is an action, or a readiness to act, based on the evidence one has in the object or person of their belief." A leap in the dark is when you believe something without any evidence.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
The evidence for the condemnation of all sin is in Scriptures. You seem to reject that evidence because it does not meet your opinion. The 'fact' that you reject said evidence does not make it go away.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
gay marriage "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
I think you're underestimating him. "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
The Bible is proof of nothing.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No, but you're free to believe that if it helps legitimize your homophobia in your mind.
I have no doubt at all that you believer that crap with all your heart,but it just ain't so. Wasn't it King Constantine that gathered all the various heads of the various Christian cults together in Constantinople so they could decide what to put in the Bible and what to reject? It's the work of a freaking committee.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Really, including my now 75 year old mother? She can have children at her age?
I know some women of various ages that would love to hear you explain that to them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
What evidence specifically? What about homosexuality makes it a sin, besides, "God says so?" Never mind the condemnation, I want to know what about homosexuality is sinful. What if your deity "commanded" you to jump off a tall building. Would you just do it because he says so?
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
You 2 need to move to India.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
That is a word that some sex perverts made up to try and make themselves feel good. It just makes you sound stupid. But you are a normaphobe and a pussyphobe.
But you are a normaphobe and a pussyphobe. When are you coming out of the closet?
So anyone not on board with you perverts is a pervert. That is even dumber then your made up homophobe word. You pussyphobe. Why are you afraid of pussy? Only mentally ill men don't like pussy.
Careful now, you start that and you will have pete wanting to send her flowers:)
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
It's the work of a freaking committee. According to Hollywood you mean? Perhaps look it up pete. Nicea had nothing to do with the Biblical canon. In fact much earlier the Early fathers decided on the 27 NT books we have today.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Feel free to ask such ladies at you next BINGO session.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Never mind the condemnation, I want to know what about homosexuality is sinful. What if your deity "commanded" you to jump off a tall building. Would you just do it because he says so? Round again here we go:) The Hebrew Scriptures along with the NT makes up what we know today as the Bible. The purpose of God communicating with man through direct intervention (miracles) and revealed Word is so mankind may be reconciled with Him. So in scriptures He gives His standards. God "created them male and female." God defines his design for marriage often in scriptures as well. This is what Jesus said: Matthew 19: “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”(NASB) That above is a clear standard from God. One man, one woman joined.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Really? There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life. Interesting you use that example because someone else tried to suggest that in Bible and it was not God: Matthew 4: 5 Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Where is that sweet young thing? Not even up for a "hit it and get it" if she still lives in NYC,though.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I would,but I don't go to Bingo games,and neither do the women I am talking about. A couple of them are in their 20's.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ok,so you are now admitting that it was mankind that wrote the bible and decided what would go into it. Thanks.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Indeed.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
No I did not say that. If you study these matters as others do, you will find out the post-apostolic church fathers were very conservative. They accepted the OT canon of the Jews and set high standards for what would be the NT. Those standards included accepting only known apostolic works and the rest was good for study but not scripture. If you study the history it is clear it is not a matter of the Gospel of Thomas vs. the Gospel of Matthew, rather in 21st century terms, it was more like comparing Shakespeare to MAD magazine. Not hard at all to determine.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
That Old Testament God did a whole lot of smiting, not altogether involving preserving and protecting life. [Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts. Quotes taken from KJV.
As usual, no answer to my question.
You forgot Menophobe
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
The Hebrew Scriptures along with the NT makes up what we know today as the Bible. The purpose of God communicating with man through direct intervention (miracles) and revealed Word is so mankind may be reconciled with Him. So in scriptures He gives His standards. God "created them male and female." God defines his design for marriage often in scriptures as well. This is what Jesus said: Matthew 19: “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”(NASB) That above is a clear standard from God. One man, one woman joined. I see a nice story, but no evidence.
Not even up for a "hit it and get it" if she still lives in NYC,though. She lives in New Jersey, and trust me, the feeling would be mutual. She's not into senile, old, redneck bigots.
[Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts. Quotes taken from KJV. Is that bad though? God being all knowing. Wouldn't he have a reaspm for that. For example maybe the extermination of the Jews and Jesus's bloodline destroyed. Making his prophecies and purpose withough effect. No one saved. So again is that necessarily "bad"?
And they tried to keep out the book or Revelation. Something bigger was happening there then you know. Prove that you don't exist.
[Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts. Quotes taken from KJV. Is that bad though? God being all knowing. Wouldn't he have a reaspm for that. Whether deemed good or bad, I find it contrary to the generalized claim that "There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life." It is surely taking the lives of innocent babies. It is difficult to see a good reason for accomplishing any end by that means. Perhaps one needs to be all knowing to rationalize that with preserving and protecting life.
Yeah that Pharaoh dude was bad news. He was given 9 other chances to come clean. Goes to show you it's bad business to cross the Almighty.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
What part of the original statement did you miss? You are living proof your mother at one point had the ability to get pregnant.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
That was sure evidence. Or do you have something dating back 2000-4000 years?
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
First the subject was "would you jump off a cliff if your diety told you to do so." What I communicated was God would not command a person to take their own lives. The plagues of Egypt happened because Pharoah saw God's Power demonstrated and knew His demands (free My people). So Pharoah failed to come through and God punished Pharoah for being obstinate and lying to Him. Moral lesson? Do what God tells you to do the first time He tells you. The Canaan campaign? God is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. The Canaanites were wicked and were judged with the edge of the sword. They got exactly what they dished out to others.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
What you communicated was, as I quoted: Killing innocent babies as related in Exodus, as attributed to God Himself, does not seem to be in the realm of justice, nor in the realm of preserving and protecting life. Being all knowing, it would seem He could have chosen those He knew were sinners for His retribution. There might be a moral lesson in God taking retribution on sinners, but the moral lesson of slaughtering innocent babies is lost on me. Babies cannot learn any moral lesson.
Yeah, He will indiscriminately kill the first born children, including babies. I guess that's bad.
You have asked some good fair questions. Here is something I found. It may shed some light for you. In Exodus when the firstborn sons of all Egyptians die because of Pharaoh, why did God kill all the Egyptian sons for the sin of Pharaoh? It is easy to blame the leader and forget he wasn't the only one involved. He was by far the most prominent, but he wasn't working alone. God told Abraham, "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years" (Genesis 15:13). This came about simply because the Israelites became numerous while living in the Egypt. "Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. And he said to his people, "Look, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we; come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and it happen, in the event of war, that they also join our enemies and fight against us, and so go up out of the land" (Exodus 1:8-10). Notice that this Pharaoh feared that the Israelites might join an enemy nation. There was no evidence of that, but his ideas were adopted by the Egyptians. "And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage-in mortar, in brick, and in all manner of service in the field. All their service in which they made them serve was with rigor" (Exodus 1:14). Worse, they turned their attacks on babies. "This man dealt treacherously with our people, and oppressed our forefathers, making them expose their babies, so that they might not live" (Acts 7:19). After 400 years of this, God stepped in. "And the LORD said: "I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows"" (Exodus 3:7). Remember that Pharaoh was leading his people, but it was the Egyptians who were carrying out Pharaoh's plans. Egypt was a country of idolatry. Each of the plagues showed God to be greater than the Egyptian gods. "For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD" (Exodus 12:12). David Padfield wrote, "This plague was directed against "all of the gods of Egypt" (Exodus 12:12) and would show the total inability of the gods of Egypt to protect their subjects. In the face of unparalleled tragedy, "all of the gods of Egypt" were silent. Where was Meskhenet, the goddess who presided at the birth of children? Where was Hathor, one of the seven deities who attended the birth of children? Where was Min, the god of procreation? Where was Isis, the goddess of fertility? Where was Selket, the guardian of life? Where was Renenutet, the cobra-goddess and guardian of Pharaoh?" [Against All The Gods Of Egypt]. You need to also know that the title "Pharaoh" means "the sun." All the kings of Egypt believed they were deity on earth. Pharaoh was powerless to do anything to stop God. This was proven not to just Pharaoh, but to every Egyptian and to everyone in the world. Thus God took a cruel, arrogant, corrupt people and brought them to their knees. He also punished them by bringing upon them what they did to others -- killing babies -- though, with God all children would be brought to Him in heaven because of their innocence.
Well, now that you've added "at one point," you have in fact qualified your original statement and changed its meaning. At even then, your statement isn't entirely true. There are woman, who at any age, cannot bear children for various health reasons. Your original statement was, "All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not." My mother has the same possibility of bearing children as any man does, namely none. At any rate, that's irrelevant to the issue of gay marriage, or any marriage for that matter. Procreation is not a necessary condition for two people to enter into a marriage.
No, I have nothing, but then again, I'm not the one trying to prove something. What you have is a story, which may or may not be true, in part, or in its entirety. And you cannot prove that it's true. Again, that's why it's called faith.
Being all knowing, it would seem He could have chosen those He knew were sinners for His retribution. There might be a moral lesson in God taking retribution on sinners, but the moral lesson of slaughtering innocent babies is lost on me. Babies cannot learn any moral lesson. Yes that was my quote and it was in response to someone taking their own lives. Now on the above commentary, I answered it in shorthand. However, if you want to take up such objections to God, He does have a "complaint department" it is called prayer. Ask Him. I might advise you, the answer you get will be something like this: Job 38:Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; 11 When I said, ‘This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!’ 12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken. 16 “Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. 19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, 20 That you may take it to its territory, That you may know the paths to its home? 21 Do you know it, because you were born then, Or because the number of your days is great? 22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow, Or have you seen the treasury of hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, For the day of battle and war? 24 By what way is light diffused, Or the east wind scattered over the earth? 25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water, Or a path for the thunderbolt, 26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one, A wilderness in which there is no man; 27 To satisfy the desolate waste, And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass? 28 Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? 30 The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen. 31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? 32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? 34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, That an abundance of water may cover you? 35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, ‘Here we are!’? 36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Or who has given understanding to the heart? 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven, 38 When the dust hardens in clumps, And the clods cling together? 39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 When they crouch in their dens, Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait? 41 Who provides food for the raven, When its young ones cry to God, And wander about for lack of food? 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Judgment, yes.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Good post and commentary.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
The statement is still true regardless of age or medical condition. Women are the ones who carry the children in procreation. Men NEVER have that ability.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
I am sure you know the difference between proof and evidence. I will say the burden of presenting evidence the scriptures are fable or false is on you. I have presented evidence, you dismiss it by saying you don't believe it without examination or presenting contrary evidence. In a court of law, you lose.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Proof is based on evidence. Nope, in a court of law, I win. You have it backwards. If I claim you're a child molester, is it up to you to prove that my claim is false in court? BTW, how do you explain that there are so many gods and so many religions out there, all claiming to be the read mccoy? What makes yours right and the others wrong. All probably have their own scriptures that "prove" their god exists in the fashion they claim he/she/it exists, no?
The statement is false, and all I have to do is produce one woman on the planet who cannot bear a child.
If I claim you're a child molester, is it up to you to prove that my claim is false in court? Your claim would need to be based on evidence. You have presented NONE, NADA to refute the Scriptures. If there are other religions out there that claim they have evidence of their god, let's see it so I can examine it. You are offering subjective evidence or better known as opinion. I have offered evidence that can be examined objectively.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
On the contrary, it is true because females are born females. Unless you want to change that definition as well? The fact that some females do not conceive does not negate the fact that females are the only gender who conceive. They are the only gender which conceives.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Did I suitably answer your inquiry? It jogged my memory of, faith without works is dead. James 2:14-26 King James Version (KJV) 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. By your next post below Chick seems to have sobered up, and remembers that judgment day will come. By the grace of God he may eventually recall that faith without works is dead. This really is a steaming load of steer manure! From right to left, you could say that Muhammad inspired the reformation Illuminati/protestant/masons, and protestant Abe Lincoln communists, who inspred Hitler. Makes as much sense as Chick's jive... none whatsoever.
In fairness to Chick, he has 23 frames to work with. A tract is supposed to lead one to actually pick up the Bible and examine the scriptures like a good Berean. He does have in frame #23 a note for "next steps." Which is a pamphlet on how to find a church, be baptized etc. That document IMO is lacking. Also remember tracts present the Gospel as in Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15. I love James epistle. It should be discipleship 101 for new believers.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Let's see if I can spell it out so even you can understand. Your original statement, which you've now moved away from and changed (intentionally or not), was "All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not." That is clearly false, as not all women have the possibility of bearing children. The fact that some females do not conceive is precisely what disproves your original statement. Those women who cannot conceive have the same possibility of conceiving as a man does, namely none. QED.
I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the Scriptures are anything but a work of fiction. If there are other religions out there that claim they have evidence of their god, let's see it so I can examine it. Let's see... the Torah, Koran, Sama Veda, Rig Veda, Atharva Veda, Yajur Veda, among many others. You are offering subjective evidence or better known as opinion. As are you. I have offered evidence that can be examined objectively. And potentially rejected.
Don't those girls double as Code Pink protesters on the weekends?
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
All women DO have the possibility to bear children. Men have absolutely NO chance.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
Let's see... the Torah, Koran, Sama Veda, Rig Veda, Atharva Veda, Yajur Veda, among many others. Here is the evidence. Refute it: http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-King-James-Version-NKJV-Bible/#copy The Torah is in the Bible. The Qur'an, et al. do not come with God's direct Words and Power.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
But you just shrug your shoulders and say it doesn't matter.
#3. To: sneakypete (#2)
It's doesn't matter to me because I never watch these lame-ass parades,and if I had any children I assure you they would have better things to do than sit in the house and watch a parade on tv.
#4. To: sneakypete (#2)
Or is your only interest related to others' sexual activity?
#5. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
Stoned seems fixated on others' sexuality and religion.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#7. To: redleghunter (#6)
#8. To: sneakypete (#7)
#9. To: meguro (#5)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#11. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#7)
#12. To: All (#0)
#13. To: CZ82 (#12)
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From some of the comments I've read it sounds like having a little bit of morality in ones life is something that's just too hard to live with, and they think themselves to be adults.
#14. To: sneakypete (#13)
#15. To: CZ82 (#14)
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I didn't know morality was a superstitious doctrine?
#16. To: sneakypete (#13)
Since when do YOU get to define MY morality?
#17. To: sneakypete (#15)
And the truth is nothing is more immoral than organized religions
#18. To: redleghunter (#6)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)
You don't know right from wrong.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#17)
You hate the constituion and Declaration of Independance. You certainly aren't a cultural American. More like a cultural marxist in many many respects. You haven't a clue.
#21. To: sneakypete (#19)
For example,I know it is morally wrong to try to deny the same rights you enjoy to other American citizens.
#22. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#21)
Fags don't have a right to pretend to be married.
#23. To: redleghunter (#8)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
No one is for denying anyone any rights.
#25. To: meguro (#11)
#26. To: sneakypete (#13)
"...adults are people with the maturity to think for themselves,not mindless children that have to blindly follow a superstitious doctrine."
#27. To: sneakypete, CZ82, Don (#15)
And it always does because nobody on the planet thinks they are more moral than the followers of any religion.
#28. To: meguro, A K A Stone, Don, sneakypete (#22)
#29. To: meguro (#23)
#30. To: A K A Stone (#21)
#31. To: sneakypete (#15)
Nobody has killed off more civilizations that the Catholic Church.
#32. To: hondo68 (#18)
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#33. To: redleghunter (#26)
There was a man from Germany who said similar things not too long ago.
#34. To: redleghunter (#27)
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#35. To: Rudgear (#31)
There you go again. ALWAYS confusing the Catholic church with Christianity.
#36. To: sneakypete (#34)
words written in a book of fiction
#37. To: sneakypete (#35)
There IS no confusion about this because prior to Martin Luther and the Reformation,the Catholic Church WAS the Christian religion.
#38. To: sneakypete (#33)
Seems like he and his BFF prior to the invasion of the USSR were both religious. Stalin went to seminary school to become a priest.
#39. To: Rudgear, sneakypete, A K A Stone, Don, Liberator (#31)
There you go again. ALWAYS confusing the Catholic church with Christianity. It isn't. Catholicism is codified paganism courtesy of Roman emperor Constantine. Constantine was a pagan til the day he died.
#40. To: sneakypete (#15)
And it always does because nobody on the planet thinks they are more moral than the followers of any religion.
#41. To: sneakypete (#24)
I guess you are a follower of the Stalin/Hitler/every other dictator line of "reason" that nobody has any rights you aren't willing to grant them.
#42. To: sneakypete (#35)
Church WAS the Christian religion.
#43. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#25)
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What you have no standards?
#44. To: redleghunter (#36)
Show me the evidence.
#45. To: redleghunter (#37)
Go tell that to the Eastern Orthodox among others in the East who refused to kiss the bishop of Rome's ring. I think the Waldensians would have been surprised too.
#46. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#44)
God has never showed up for a book signing.
#47. To: redleghunter (#38)
Really Hitler and Staliin were practicing Christians?
#48. To: Rudgear (#32)
How come meguro doesn't get on your case, 'judging' his chosen defining character trait?
#49. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Pete lets see. You don't know right from wrong.
#50. To: A K A Stone (#42)
Protestants are nothing more than a offshoot of Catholicism.
#51. To: redleghunter (#29)
#52. To: sneakypete (#49)
Correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't YOU the one that agrees with Stalin and Hitler that homosexuals are criminals who are insane,and need to be imprisoned or killed?
#53. To: meguro (#48)
Because meguro choses [sp]chooses his battles wisely, and ignores the rest.
#54. To: redleghunter (#39)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#55. To: buck (#53)
You may die based on your own decisions about your own personal health.
#56. To: meguro (#52)
Why are you so right about this, and so wrong about everything else? :-)
#57. To: sneakypete (#56)
(Edited)
For example,you must have read dozens of posts by me where I say blacks have the same rights as the rest of us,and you still insist on calling me a racist.
#58. To: meguro (#57)
#59. To: sneakypete (#58)
(Edited)
They ARE racists,you shithead. If you actually knew any of them you would know this. Racism against whites is ACCEPTABLE and commonplace amongst blacks.
#60. To: meguro (#59)
Oh yeah, each and every one of them, but there are NO white racists, eh?
#61. To: meguro, A K A Stone, Don, Liberator (#43)
And do you really still cling to that rather conceited notion that only religious people can have standards? What utter nonsense.
#62. To: sneakypete, Don, Liberator, A K A Stone, rowdee, BorisY, GarySpFc (#44)
Sure thing. God has never showed up for a book signing.
#63. To: sneakypete, A Pole (#45)
The Catholic Church preceded both of them
#64. To: meguro, sneakypete, Don, Liberator, GarySpFc, A K A Stone, BorisY (#46)
God has never showed up for a book signing. Not even the Bible? LOL.
#65. To: sneakypete, A Pole (#47)
,"Priest" was a career field for KGB officers in the old USSR.
#66. To: meguro (#48)
#67. To: sneakypete, Don, A K A Stone (#49)
Or am I wrong and you think homosexual Americans are citizens of this country and have the same civil rights as the rest of us,including the right to get married in a civil ceremony?
#68. To: hondo68, A K A Stone, Don, Liberator (#54)
Have faith in Jesus, and party like a wiccan!.. and you'll go to heaven? Good and evil is so old school, and Catholic like.
#69. To: meguro, Don, A K A Stone (#51)
Yawn. Your propaganda bores me.
#70. To: redleghunter (#62)
How about showing up alive with a resurrected body three days after witnesses put the same Man in a tomb who was dead.
#71. To: redleghunter (#64)
Well God has:
#72. To: redleghunter (#67)
Given that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, gays have just as much a right of getting "married" as a man demanding to become pregnant.
#73. To: redleghunter (#69)
#74. To: redleghunter (#66)
#75. To: redleghunter (#69)
Really? Perhaps this one will interest you:
#76. To: redleghunter (#67)
(Edited)
Given that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, gays have just as much a right of getting "married" as a man demanding to become pregnant.
#77. To: redleghunter (#67)
(Edited)
Given that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, gays have just as much a right of getting "married" as a man demanding to become pregnant. Ok,then why do you get so worked up about it?
#78. To: sneakypete (#70)
#79. To: sneakypete (#71)
#80. To: sneakypete (#72)
#81. To: redleghunter (#80)
(Edited)
Because as it is absurd for a man to bear a child so is "gay marriage."
#82. To: meguro (#76)
#83. To: meguro (#77)
#84. To: redleghunter (#82)
(Edited)
Politically correct dictionaries can't change an absolute.
#85. To: redleghunter (#83)
Well men are disenfranchised for not being able to bear children. So let's pass a law to change that. Absurd.
#86. To: meguro (#81)
#87. To: redleghunter (#86)
(Edited)
There is plenty of evidence for God's existence. You proved in the past to refuse to examine the evidence.
#88. To: meguro (#87)
#89. To: redleghunter (#88)
(Edited)
Faith is not based on a leap in the dark. Again you refused in the past to examine the Scriptures and immediately dismiss them.
#90. To: redleghunter (#78)
Jesus Christ is God. Truly God, Truly Man. Son of God, Son of Man.
#91. To: redleghunter (#79)
Where's that evidence?
#92. To: redleghunter (#80)
Because as it is absurd for a man to bear a child so is "gay marriage."
#93. To: redleghunter (#88)
Faith is not based on a leap in the dark.
#94. To: meguro (#89)
You ever wonder why gay marriage is being legislated in more and more places around the world? Because more and more people see through the bullshit of your religion.
#95. To: sneakypete (#92)
So,women who can't conceive for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to marry?
#96. To: sneakypete (#91)
(Edited)
Nobody can prove a negative.
#97. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#91)
(Edited)
#98. To: sneakypete (#91)
Exodus didn't read anything. People read Exodus,
#99. To: meguro (#89)
You refuse to acknowlege that members of the same sex can love each other just like members of the opposite sex.
#100. To: CZ82 (#94)
(Edited)
A better explanation would be legislators see it as a way of getting re-elected by the dumb masses, even though they know it's bullshit!
#101. To: sneakypete (#93)
Yes,it is. That's why all that is required is faith,not proven facts.
#102. To: meguro (#100)
What's bullshit?
#103. To: A K A Stone (#99)
Why would anyone acknowledge sometihng that is not true. A figment of the demented's imagination.
#104. To: A K A Stone (#102)
(Edited)
History repeats itself. Soddom and Gommorah. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
#105. To: A K A Stone (#95)
So,women who can't conceive for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to marry?
#106. To: A K A Stone (#96)
Only dumb asses thing you can't prove a negative. Of course you can. Proving to everyone that you don't have a logical mind. Scatter brained.
#107. To: A K A Stone (#97)
Sneakypete can't prove that he is non existant.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#98)
Exodus is a book.
#109. To: A K A Stone (#99)
Homosexuality is a sin because God said so.
#110. To: A K A Stone (#101)
(Edited)
What facts are required to not believe in the obvious.
#111. To: sneakypete (#90)
Ok,prove it.
#112. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone, Don, Liberator (#91)
It doesn't work that way. Nobody can prove a negative. Your problem is you can't prove your positive unless the Big Guy wants to make a personal appearance,and we both know that's not going to happen.
#113. To: sneakypete (#92)
So,women who can't conceive for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to marry?
#114. To: sneakypete (#93)
Yes,it is. That's why all that is required is faith,not proven facts.
#115. To: meguro (#89)
I asked you many times why homosexuality is such a sin. Not once could you answer the question, aside from "God says so." Sorry, that's just not good enough for anyone but your fellow fundamentalists.
#116. To: meguro (#100)
What's bullshit?
#117. To: redleghunter (#115)
The 'fact' that you reject said evidence does not make it go away.
#118. To: redleghunter (#111)
#119. To: CZ82 (#116)
gay marriage
#120. To: redleghunter (#112)
I have others as well that show an unbroken chain throughout history.
#121. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#113)
All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not.
#122. To: redleghunter (#113)
All women have the possibility of bearing children,
#123. To: redleghunter (#115)
(Edited)
The evidence for the condemnation of all sin is in Scriptures. You seem to reject that evidence because it does not meet your opinion.
#124. To: meguro, redleghunter (#123)
#125. To: redleghunter (#86)
#126. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#124)
#127. To: meguro (#119)
#128. To: meguro (#119)
to believe that if it helps legitimize your homophobia in your mind.
#129. To: A K A Stone (#128)
That is a word that some sex perverts made up to try and make themselves feel good. It just makes you sound stupid.
#130. To: meguro (#129)
When are you coming out of the closet?
#131. To: meguro, sneakypete (#121)
Really, including my now 75 year old mother?
#132. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#120)
Wasn't it King Constantine that gathered all the various heads of the various Christian cults together in Constantinople so they could decide what to put in the Bible and what to reject?
#133. To: sneakypete (#122)
I know some women of various ages that would love to hear you explain that to them.
#134. To: meguro (#123)
What evidence specifically? What about homosexuality makes it a sin, besides, "God says so?"
#135. To: meguro (#123)
What if your deity "commanded" you to jump off a tall building. Would you just do it because he says so?
#136. To: redleghunter, meguro (#131)
Careful now, you start that and you will have pete wanting to send her flowers:)
#137. To: redleghunter (#133)
Feel free to ask such ladies at you next BINGO session.
#138. To: redleghunter (#132)
Nicea had nothing to do with the Biblical canon. In fact much earlier the Early fathers decided on the 27 NT books we have today.
#139. To: A K A Stone (#125)
#140. To: sneakypete (#138)
Ok,so you are now admitting that it was mankind that wrote the bible and decided what would go into it.
#141. To: redleghunter, meguro (#135)
There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life.
[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
#142. To: redleghunter (#131)
Really, including my now 75 year old mother? Careful now, you start that and you will have pete wanting to send her flowers:)
#143. To: A K A Stone (#128)
#144. To: redleghunter (#134)
Round again here we go:)
#145. To: sneakypete (#136)
Where is that sweet young thing?
#146. To: nolu chan (#141)
[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
#147. To: sneakypete (#120)
Wasn't it King Constantine that gathered all the various heads of the various Christian cults together in Constantinople so they could decide what to put in the Bible and what to reject?
#148. To: A K A Stone (#146)
[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
#149. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#141)
#150. To: meguro (#142)
#151. To: meguro (#144)
#152. To: nolu chan (#148)
#153. To: redleghunter (#152)
First the subject was "would you jump off a cliff if your diety told you to do so." What I communicated was God would not command a person to take their own lives.
There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life.
#154. To: redleghunter (#149)
Yeah that Pharaoh dude was bad news. He was given 9 other chances to come clean. Goes to show you it's bad business to cross the Almighty.
#155. To: nolu chan (#154)
Question:
Answer:
#156. To: redleghunter (#150)
(Edited)
What part of the original statement did you miss? You are living proof your mother at one point had the ability to get pregnant.
#157. To: redleghunter (#151)
That was sure evidence. Or do you have something dating back 2000-4000 years?
#158. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone, Liberator, Don (#153)
Killing innocent babies as related in Exodus, as attributed to God Himself, does not seem to be in the realm of justice, nor in the realm of preserving and protecting life.
#159. To: nolu chan (#154)
Yeah, He will indiscriminately kill the first born children, including babies. I guess that's bad.
#160. To: A K A Stone (#155)
#161. To: meguro (#156)
"All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."
#162. To: meguro (#157)
No, I have nothing, but then again, I'm not the one trying to prove something. What you have is a story, which may or may not be true, in part, or in its entirety. And you cannot prove that it's true. Again, that's why it's called faith.
#163. To: redleghunter (#162)
(Edited)
I will say the burden of presenting evidence the scriptures are fable or false is on you. I have presented evidence, you dismiss it by saying you don't believe it without examination or presenting contrary evidence. In a court of law, you lose.
#164. To: redleghunter (#161)
The statement is still true regardless of age or medical condition.
#165. To: meguro (#163)
Proof is based on evidence. Nope, in a court of law, I win. You have it backwards.
#166. To: meguro (#164)
The statement is false, and all I have to do is produce one woman on the planet who cannot bear a child.
#167. To: redleghunter (#68)
(Edited)
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#168. To: hondo68 (#167)
#169. To: redleghunter (#166)
(Edited)
On the contrary, it is true because females are born females. Unless you want to change that definition as well?
#170. To: redleghunter (#165)
(Edited)
Your claim would need to be based on evidence. You have presented NONE, NADA to refute the Scriptures.
#171. To: hondo68 (#167)
#172. To: meguro (#169)
"All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."
#173. To: meguro (#170)
I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the Scriptures are anything but a work of fiction.
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