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Title: Sprinting Towards Gomorrah
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Published: Dec 7, 2013
Author: Steve Deace
Post Date: 2013-12-07 11:39:35 by A K A Stone
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Have you ever wondered what it looks like when a culture collapses? Have you ever wondered if past cultures that collapsed throughout history knew what was about to happen to them? Did they see it coming, or were they blindsided by it?

I’ve often asked myself those questions, but now I’m also asking myself a new one. Provided the Lord chooses not to return and culminate history, I’m now wondering if future generations will ask the same questions about us?

There are several telltale signs of a culture in decline, or on the brink of collapse. One of which is when a culture fails to safeguard its future and ceases to be good stewards of its next generation. Wanting our children to have a better future than we had is one of the most basic instincts of those who are image-bearers of the Creator. Even some of the most cunning and ruthless men in human history were doting fathers. It takes an especially toxic and potent mixture of narcissism and self-loathing to produce a culture that no longer places the needs of its offspring above its most carnal desires.

Such a culture we have sadly become.

And I’m not even talking about abortion, which is the gravest moral injustice of our time. Tragically, anthropologists will tell you every culture in human history has eventually practiced some form of child sacrifice. Ours is just the next in line. The only difference is we’re not sacrificing our kids to a pagan deity for a bountiful harvest or eternal salvation. We sacrifice our babies on the altar of personal convenience instead.

But you can’t expect a culture to protect its unborn when it has so little regard for its already-born, and there are two recent stories that indicate we could seemingly care less about our children.

ABC News just did a story on the “gospel of polyamory,” which means having multiple romantic and sexual partners in an open relationship together. Titled “the end of marriage,” the story said “more couples are opting to become triples or fourples, with live-in lovers spicing up the marital bed and helping to raise the children.”

The natural human family (i.e. one man and one woman living together in holy matrimony) is one of the cornerstones of a civilized society, for its how we’re intended to procreate the species while also passing along our value system to the next generation. What kind of value system is being passed on to the children of such relationships? What kind of value system do you think they’ll champion once they become adults?

Probably one that looks sadly similar to what we saw during this year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade.

There was Snoopy, Spider-Man, SpongeBob, Hello Kitty, and cross-dressers. Wait? What? Were those actual cross-dressers? As in actual men dressed in drag?

You ain’t just whistling Robert Mapplethorpe.

It’s true. This year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade featured a performance from the cast of the hit Broadway musical Kinky Boots, complete in all their risqué cross-dressing regalia. Kinky Boots is about the “heroic” exploits of a “fabulous drag queen performer” (and is there any other kind?) named Lola, who teaches her stodgy Northern England village a politically-correct lesson about acceptance all the while saving a family shoe business. Two of the memorable songs from Kinky Boots are titled “Sex is in the heel” and “I am not my father’s son.”

Probably not what most Americans had in mind when they turned on the TV to watch the parade with their kids, I would imagine. Drag queens are now “TV-G” according to NBC. Of course, if you disagree you’re just a “hater” and a “bigot.” Some liberals on Twitter were actually excited that parents at the parade or watching it on TV might have to explain “trannies” to their children.

Adults caught in the tangled web of immorality used to put on a false front if it meant protecting the innocence of our children. Now we shamelessly flaunt our impurities and condemn those who don’t want to rob their children of their innocence. And I say this as someone who is not a prude, and I’m sometimes criticized by some of my fellow Christians for my willingness to discuss sexuality honestly.

But there’s having an all-too-honest discussion about the world we live in and the struggles we all face within it among fellow adults, and then there’s targeting children with beliefs and behaviors even pagan and humanistic societies knew enough to shield their children from.

The “red light district” is becoming “Main Street, USA” in our day and age.

Who knows, maybe we’ll escape the cultural catastrophe that has been the result of all other historic examples of “human nature gone wild.” But I doubt it. Ironically, this is all happening as politically correct Hollywood is gearing up its publicity machine for a movie next spring with an A-list cast about the great flood and Noah’s Ark, which is the first example in history of what happens to a civilization when fallen human nature refuses to be restrained.

However, at least one early reviewer of the film’s script says the movie bypasses all of that to espouse environmentalist propaganda instead. In a blog titled “Darren Aronofsky’s Noah: Environmentalist Wacko,” filmmaker Brian Godawa says, “If you were expecting a biblically faithful retelling of the story of the greatest mariner in history and a tale of redemption and obedience to God, you’ll be sorely disappointed.”

So on one hand our culture shows contempt and disdain for its future generations. And then is so narcissistic that it thinks it can unilaterally revise the standard for judgment and accountability for such heinous actions on the other.

Unless revival happens, that is probably a culture living on borrowed time.

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#133. To: sneakypete (#122)

I know some women of various ages that would love to hear you explain that to them.

Feel free to ask such ladies at you next BINGO session.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   14:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: meguro (#123)

What evidence specifically? What about homosexuality makes it a sin, besides, "God says so?"

Never mind the condemnation, I want to know what about homosexuality is sinful.

What if your deity "commanded" you to jump off a tall building. Would you just do it because he says so?

Round again here we go:)

The Hebrew Scriptures along with the NT makes up what we know today as the Bible.

The purpose of God communicating with man through direct intervention (miracles) and revealed Word is so mankind may be reconciled with Him. So in scriptures He gives His standards.

God "created them male and female." God defines his design for marriage often in scriptures as well. This is what Jesus said:

Matthew 19:

“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”(NASB)

That above is a clear standard from God. One man, one woman joined.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   14:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: meguro (#123)

What if your deity "commanded" you to jump off a tall building. Would you just do it because he says so?

Really? There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life. Interesting you use that example because someone else tried to suggest that in Bible and it was not God:

Matthew 4:

5 Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,

‘He will command His angels concerning You’;

and

‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   14:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: redleghunter, meguro (#131)

Careful now, you start that and you will have pete wanting to send her flowers:)

Where is that sweet young thing?

Not even up for a "hit it and get it" if she still lives in NYC,though.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2013-12-12   16:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: redleghunter (#133)

Feel free to ask such ladies at you next BINGO session.

I would,but I don't go to Bingo games,and neither do the women I am talking about. A couple of them are in their 20's.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2013-12-12   16:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: redleghunter (#132)

Nicea had nothing to do with the Biblical canon. In fact much earlier the Early fathers decided on the 27 NT books we have today.

Ok,so you are now admitting that it was mankind that wrote the bible and decided what would go into it.

Thanks.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2013-12-12   16:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: A K A Stone (#125)

Indeed.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   17:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: sneakypete (#138)

Ok,so you are now admitting that it was mankind that wrote the bible and decided what would go into it.

No I did not say that. If you study these matters as others do, you will find out the post-apostolic church fathers were very conservative. They accepted the OT canon of the Jews and set high standards for what would be the NT. Those standards included accepting only known apostolic works and the rest was good for study but not scripture.

If you study the history it is clear it is not a matter of the Gospel of Thomas vs. the Gospel of Matthew, rather in 21st century terms, it was more like comparing Shakespeare to MAD magazine. Not hard at all to determine.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   17:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: redleghunter, meguro (#135)

There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life.

That Old Testament God did a whole lot of smiting, not altogether involving preserving and protecting life.

[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:

[Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts.

Quotes taken from KJV.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-12-12   17:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: redleghunter (#131)

Really, including my now 75 year old mother? Careful now, you start that and you will have pete wanting to send her flowers:)

As usual, no answer to my question.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-12   17:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: A K A Stone (#128)

You forgot Menophobe

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."

CZ82  posted on  2013-12-12   17:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: redleghunter (#134)

Round again here we go:)

The Hebrew Scriptures along with the NT makes up what we know today as the Bible.

The purpose of God communicating with man through direct intervention (miracles) and revealed Word is so mankind may be reconciled with Him. So in scriptures He gives His standards.

God "created them male and female." God defines his design for marriage often in scriptures as well. This is what Jesus said:

Matthew 19:

“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”(NASB)

That above is a clear standard from God. One man, one woman joined.

I see a nice story, but no evidence.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-12   17:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: sneakypete (#136)

Where is that sweet young thing?

Not even up for a "hit it and get it" if she still lives in NYC,though.

She lives in New Jersey, and trust me, the feeling would be mutual. She's not into senile, old, redneck bigots.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-12   17:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: nolu chan (#141)

[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:

[Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts.

Quotes taken from KJV.

Is that bad though?

God being all knowing.

Wouldn't he have a reaspm for that.

For example maybe the extermination of the Jews and Jesus's bloodline destroyed. Making his prophecies and purpose withough effect.

No one saved.

So again is that necessarily "bad"?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-12-12   19:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: sneakypete (#120)

Wasn't it King Constantine that gathered all the various heads of the various Christian cults together in Constantinople so they could decide what to put in the Bible and what to reject?

And they tried to keep out the book or Revelation.

Something bigger was happening there then you know.

Prove that you don't exist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-12-12   19:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: A K A Stone (#146)

[Exodus 11:4] And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:

[Exodus 11:5] And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon the throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill, and all the firstborn on beasts.

Quotes taken from KJV.

Is that bad though?

God being all knowing.

Wouldn't he have a reaspm for that.

Whether deemed good or bad, I find it contrary to the generalized claim that "There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life."

It is surely taking the lives of innocent babies. It is difficult to see a good reason for accomplishing any end by that means. Perhaps one needs to be all knowing to rationalize that with preserving and protecting life.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-12-12   19:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#141)

Yeah that Pharaoh dude was bad news. He was given 9 other chances to come clean. Goes to show you it's bad business to cross the Almighty.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   23:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: meguro (#142)

What part of the original statement did you miss? You are living proof your mother at one point had the ability to get pregnant.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   23:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: meguro (#144)

That was sure evidence. Or do you have something dating back 2000-4000 years?

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   23:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: nolu chan (#148)

First the subject was "would you jump off a cliff if your diety told you to do so." What I communicated was God would not command a person to take their own lives.

The plagues of Egypt happened because Pharoah saw God's Power demonstrated and knew His demands (free My people). So Pharoah failed to come through and God punished Pharoah for being obstinate and lying to Him.

Moral lesson? Do what God tells you to do the first time He tells you.

The Canaan campaign? God is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. The Canaanites were wicked and were judged with the edge of the sword. They got exactly what they dished out to others.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-12   23:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: redleghunter (#152)

First the subject was "would you jump off a cliff if your diety told you to do so." What I communicated was God would not command a person to take their own lives.

What you communicated was, as I quoted:

There is no such command given it would most likely take a life and God is in the preserving and protection of life.

Killing innocent babies as related in Exodus, as attributed to God Himself, does not seem to be in the realm of justice, nor in the realm of preserving and protecting life.

Being all knowing, it would seem He could have chosen those He knew were sinners for His retribution. There might be a moral lesson in God taking retribution on sinners, but the moral lesson of slaughtering innocent babies is lost on me. Babies cannot learn any moral lesson.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-12-13   0:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: redleghunter (#149)

Yeah that Pharaoh dude was bad news. He was given 9 other chances to come clean. Goes to show you it's bad business to cross the Almighty.

Yeah, He will indiscriminately kill the first born children, including babies. I guess that's bad.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-12-13   0:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: nolu chan (#154)

You have asked some good fair questions. Here is something I found. It may shed some light for you.

Question:

In Exodus when the firstborn sons of all Egyptians die because of Pharaoh, why did God kill all the Egyptian sons for the sin of Pharaoh?


Answer:

It is easy to blame the leader and forget he wasn't the only one involved. He was by far the most prominent, but he wasn't working alone.

God told Abraham, "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years" (Genesis 15:13). This came about simply because the Israelites became numerous while living in the Egypt. "Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. And he said to his people, "Look, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we; come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and it happen, in the event of war, that they also join our enemies and fight against us, and so go up out of the land" (Exodus 1:8-10). Notice that this Pharaoh feared that the Israelites might join an enemy nation. There was no evidence of that, but his ideas were adopted by the Egyptians. "And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage-in mortar, in brick, and in all manner of service in the field. All their service in which they made them serve was with rigor" (Exodus 1:14). Worse, they turned their attacks on babies. "This man dealt treacherously with our people, and oppressed our forefathers, making them expose their babies, so that they might not live" (Acts 7:19).

After 400 years of this, God stepped in. "And the LORD said: "I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows"" (Exodus 3:7). Remember that Pharaoh was leading his people, but it was the Egyptians who were carrying out Pharaoh's plans.

Egypt was a country of idolatry. Each of the plagues showed God to be greater than the Egyptian gods. "For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD" (Exodus 12:12). David Padfield wrote, "This plague was directed against "all of the gods of Egypt" (Exodus 12:12) and would show the total inability of the gods of Egypt to protect their subjects. In the face of unparalleled tragedy, "all of the gods of Egypt" were silent. Where was Meskhenet, the goddess who presided at the birth of children? Where was Hathor, one of the seven deities who attended the birth of children? Where was Min, the god of procreation? Where was Isis, the goddess of fertility? Where was Selket, the guardian of life? Where was Renenutet, the cobra-goddess and guardian of Pharaoh?" [Against All The Gods Of Egypt]. You need to also know that the title "Pharaoh" means "the sun." All the kings of Egypt believed they were deity on earth. Pharaoh was powerless to do anything to stop God. This was proven not to just Pharaoh, but to every Egyptian and to everyone in the world.

Thus God took a cruel, arrogant, corrupt people and brought them to their knees. He also punished them by bringing upon them what they did to others -- killing babies -- though, with God all children would be brought to Him in heaven because of their innocence.

lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2011/08-30b.html

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-12-13   0:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: redleghunter (#150) (Edited)

What part of the original statement did you miss? You are living proof your mother at one point had the ability to get pregnant.

Well, now that you've added "at one point," you have in fact qualified your original statement and changed its meaning. At even then, your statement isn't entirely true. There are woman, who at any age, cannot bear children for various health reasons.

Your original statement was, "All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."

My mother has the same possibility of bearing children as any man does, namely none.

At any rate, that's irrelevant to the issue of gay marriage, or any marriage for that matter. Procreation is not a necessary condition for two people to enter into a marriage.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-13   10:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: redleghunter (#151)

That was sure evidence. Or do you have something dating back 2000-4000 years?

No, I have nothing, but then again, I'm not the one trying to prove something. What you have is a story, which may or may not be true, in part, or in its entirety. And you cannot prove that it's true. Again, that's why it's called faith.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-13   11:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone, Liberator, Don (#153)

Killing innocent babies as related in Exodus, as attributed to God Himself, does not seem to be in the realm of justice, nor in the realm of preserving and protecting life.

Being all knowing, it would seem He could have chosen those He knew were sinners for His retribution. There might be a moral lesson in God taking retribution on sinners, but the moral lesson of slaughtering innocent babies is lost on me. Babies cannot learn any moral lesson.

Yes that was my quote and it was in response to someone taking their own lives.

Now on the above commentary, I answered it in shorthand. However, if you want to take up such objections to God, He does have a "complaint department" it is called prayer. Ask Him. I might advise you, the answer you get will be something like this:

Job 38:Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

2 “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; 11 When I said, ‘This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!’

12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken.

16 “Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this.

19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, 20 That you may take it to its territory, That you may know the paths to its home? 21 Do you know it, because you were born then, Or because the number of your days is great?

22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow, Or have you seen the treasury of hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, For the day of battle and war? 24 By what way is light diffused, Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water, Or a path for the thunderbolt, 26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one, A wilderness in which there is no man; 27 To satisfy the desolate waste, And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass? 28 Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? 30 The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? 32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, That an abundance of water may cover you? 35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, ‘Here we are!’? 36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Or who has given understanding to the heart? 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven, 38 When the dust hardens in clumps, And the clods cling together?

39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 When they crouch in their dens, Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait? 41 Who provides food for the raven, When its young ones cry to God, And wander about for lack of food?

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   11:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: nolu chan (#154)

Yeah, He will indiscriminately kill the first born children, including babies. I guess that's bad.

Judgment, yes.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   11:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: A K A Stone (#155)

Good post and commentary.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   11:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: meguro (#156)

"All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."

The statement is still true regardless of age or medical condition. Women are the ones who carry the children in procreation. Men NEVER have that ability.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   11:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: meguro (#157)

No, I have nothing, but then again, I'm not the one trying to prove something. What you have is a story, which may or may not be true, in part, or in its entirety. And you cannot prove that it's true. Again, that's why it's called faith.

I am sure you know the difference between proof and evidence. I will say the burden of presenting evidence the scriptures are fable or false is on you. I have presented evidence, you dismiss it by saying you don't believe it without examination or presenting contrary evidence. In a court of law, you lose.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   11:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: redleghunter (#162) (Edited)

I will say the burden of presenting evidence the scriptures are fable or false is on you. I have presented evidence, you dismiss it by saying you don't believe it without examination or presenting contrary evidence. In a court of law, you lose.

Proof is based on evidence. Nope, in a court of law, I win. You have it backwards.

If I claim you're a child molester, is it up to you to prove that my claim is false in court?

BTW, how do you explain that there are so many gods and so many religions out there, all claiming to be the read mccoy? What makes yours right and the others wrong. All probably have their own scriptures that "prove" their god exists in the fashion they claim he/she/it exists, no?

meguro  posted on  2013-12-13   11:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: redleghunter (#161)

The statement is still true regardless of age or medical condition.

The statement is false, and all I have to do is produce one woman on the planet who cannot bear a child.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-13   11:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: meguro (#163)

Proof is based on evidence. Nope, in a court of law, I win. You have it backwards.

If I claim you're a child molester, is it up to you to prove that my claim is false in court?

Your claim would need to be based on evidence. You have presented NONE, NADA to refute the Scriptures.

If there are other religions out there that claim they have evidence of their god, let's see it so I can examine it.

You are offering subjective evidence or better known as opinion. I have offered evidence that can be examined objectively.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   13:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: meguro (#164)

The statement is false, and all I have to do is produce one woman on the planet who cannot bear a child.

On the contrary, it is true because females are born females. Unless you want to change that definition as well?

The fact that some females do not conceive does not negate the fact that females are the only gender who conceive. They are the only gender which conceives.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-13   13:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: redleghunter (#68) (Edited)

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Did I suitably answer your inquiry?

It jogged my memory of, faith without works is dead.

James 2:14-26

King James Version (KJV)

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

By your next post below Chick seems to have sobered up, and remembers that judgment day will come. By the grace of God he may eventually recall that faith without works is dead.

This really is a steaming load of steer manure!

From right to left, you could say that Muhammad inspired the reformation Illuminati/protestant/masons, and protestant Abe Lincoln communists, who inspred Hitler. Makes as much sense as Chick's jive... none whatsoever.


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Hondo68  posted on  2013-12-14   23:36:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: hondo68 (#167)

In fairness to Chick, he has 23 frames to work with. A tract is supposed to lead one to actually pick up the Bible and examine the scriptures like a good Berean.

He does have in frame #23 a note for "next steps." Which is a pamphlet on how to find a church, be baptized etc. That document IMO is lacking.

Also remember tracts present the Gospel as in Luke 24 and 1 Corinthians 15.

I love James epistle. It should be discipleship 101 for new believers.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-15   0:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: redleghunter (#166) (Edited)

On the contrary, it is true because females are born females. Unless you want to change that definition as well?

Let's see if I can spell it out so even you can understand. Your original statement, which you've now moved away from and changed (intentionally or not), was

"All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."

That is clearly false, as not all women have the possibility of bearing children. The fact that some females do not conceive is precisely what disproves your original statement. Those women who cannot conceive have the same possibility of conceiving as a man does, namely none.

QED.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-17   23:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: redleghunter (#165) (Edited)

Your claim would need to be based on evidence. You have presented NONE, NADA to refute the Scriptures.

I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the Scriptures are anything but a work of fiction.

If there are other religions out there that claim they have evidence of their god, let's see it so I can examine it.

Let's see... the Torah, Koran, Sama Veda, Rig Veda, Atharva Veda, Yajur Veda, among many others.

You are offering subjective evidence or better known as opinion.

As are you.

I have offered evidence that can be examined objectively.

And potentially rejected.

meguro  posted on  2013-12-17   23:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: hondo68 (#167)

Don't those girls double as Code Pink protesters on the weekends?

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."

CZ82  posted on  2013-12-18   7:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: meguro (#169)

"All women have the possibility of bearing children, men not."

All women DO have the possibility to bear children. Men have absolutely NO chance.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-18   12:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: meguro (#170)

I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the Scriptures are anything but a work of fiction.

Let's see... the Torah, Koran, Sama Veda, Rig Veda, Atharva Veda, Yajur Veda, among many others.

Here is the evidence. Refute it:

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-King-James-Version-NKJV-Bible/#copy

The Torah is in the Bible.

The Qur'an, et al. do not come with God's direct Words and Power.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-12-18   12:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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