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Title: Army Manual Outlines Plan To Kill Rioters, Demonstrators (“dissidents”) In America
Source: Infowars
URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/army-manual ... an-to-kill-rioters-in-america/
Published: Jul 6, 2012
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2012-07-06 17:04:13 by Hondo68
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Keywords: internees “re-educated”, appreciation of U.S. policies, unauthorized gatherings
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A newly leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” outlines how military assets are to be used domestically to quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.

The document (PDF), which is dated 2006 and was used for a self-learning course at the U.S. Army Military Police School at Fort McClellan, makes it clear that the operations described in the manual apply to both “CONUS and OCONUS,” meaning inside the Continental United States and outside the Continental United States.

The document outlines how military assets will be used to “help local and state authorities to restore and maintain law and order” in the event of mass riots, civil unrest or a declaration of martial law.

The primary function of military assets will be focused around, “breaking up unauthorized gatherings and by patrolling the disturbance area to prevent the commission of lawless acts,” states the document, adding, “during operations to restore order, military forces may present a show of force, establish roadblocks, break up crowds, employ crowd control agents, patrol, serve as security forces or reserves, and perform other operations as required.”

The manual also describes how prisoners will be processed through temporary internment camps under the guidance of U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations, which as we reported earlier this year, outlines how internees would be “re-educated” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States.

On page 20 of the manual, rules regarding the use of “deadly force” in confronting “dissidents” are made disturbingly clear with the directive that a, “Warning shot will not be fired.”

The manual includes lists of weapons to be used against “rioters” or “demonstrators,” including “antiriot grenades.” It also advises troops to carry their guns in the “safe port arms” stance, a psychological tactic aimed at “making a show of force before rioters.” Non-lethal weapons and water cannons are also included.

The document also explains how the military will be involved in spying on and gathering information on dissidents to identify the, “Existence of persons, groups, or organizations which have distinctively threatened or are creating disturbances.”

“Crowd control agents” will also be deployed for the purpose of “reducing resistance,” states the manual, which also implies that troops will be used to confiscate firearms.

“Restrictions on the sale, transfer, and possession of sensitive material such as gasoline, firearms, ammunition, and explosives will help control forces in minimizing certain forms of violence,” states the document on page 40.

“Consideration may be given to evacuating sensitive items, such as weapons from stores,” the manual also states on page 27.

The document emphasizes how troops should make every effort, “to avoid appearing as an alien invading force and to present the image of a restrained and well-disciplined force whose sole purpose is to help to restore law and order with a minimum loss of life and property.”

This 115 page manual represents a shocking new insight into how the U.S. military will be used domestically to violently quell unrest in the aftermath of a total economic collapse or other national emergency.

Preparations for using troops to deal with mass civil unrest on U.S. soil have been in the works for years.

Back in 2008, U.S. troops returning from Iraq were earmarked for “homeland patrols” with one of their roles including helping with “civil unrest and crowd control”.

In December 2008, the Washington Post reported on plans to station 20,000 more U.S. troops inside America for purposes of “domestic security” from September 2011 onwards, an expansion of Northcom’s militarization of the country in preparation for potential civil unrest following a total economic collapse or a mass terror attack.

A report produced that same year by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute warned that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it termed “strategic shock.”

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” stated the report, authored by [Ret.] Lt. Col. Nathan Freir, adding that the military may be needed to quell “purposeful domestic resistance”.

Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was established under the pretext of a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border.

During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, however, it was revealed that the program was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the federal government to suspend the Constitution, declare martial law, assign military commanders to take over state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens determined by the government to be “national security threats.”

With many Americans now becoming “pre-revolutionary” as a result of their fury at the Obama administration and equally unpopular lawmakers in Washington, potential civil unrest could spring not just from a poverty-stricken underclass, but also the shrinking middle class.

Perhaps that’s why the Department of Homeland Security is increasingly focusing its anti-terror apparatus on white middle class Americans, portraying them as domestic terrorists in a series of PSA videos. In addition, ‘Occupy’ protesters are also now being characterized as terrorists.

Hat Tip: Public Intelligence, Hong Pong.


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Army Course Manual Trains Soldiers to Confiscate Constitutionally-protected Firearms

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Police and military confiscated weapons in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

In addition to revealing how the federal government and the Pentagon will respond to civil disturbances – in violation of the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act – the United States Army Military Police School’s Civil Disturbance Operations document instructs the military to confiscate weapons from American citizens.

Earlier today, Paul Joseph Watson examined how the military will be used to “quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.” The military course document outlines how military assets will be used to “help local and state authorities to restore and maintain law and order” in the event of mass riots, civil unrest or a declaration of martial law.

The document instructs soldiers to deny Americans – specifically, “rioters” and “dissidents” – the right to exercise the Second Amendment during a government declared “civil disturbance”:

A main consideration in the conduct of civil disturbance operations is to prevent liquor, drugs, weapons, and ammunition from falling into the hands of rioters. Therefore, liquor stores, drug stores, sporting good shops, pawn shops, and hardware stores are main targets for looters and must be kept under close observation by means of foot and motorized patrols. Normally, businesses of this type must be identified in advance and included in emergency plans. (Emphasis added.)

Moreover, the document instructs soldiers to protect “control force personnel and civilian dignitaries in the disturbed area” from the violent behavior of “radical or extremist elements” by denying access to “armories, arsenals, hardware, and sporting good stores, pawnshops, and gunsmith establishments, or other places where weapons or ammunition are stored. To conserve manpower, consideration may be given to evacuating sensitive items, such as weapons from stores and storing them in a central facility.”

In other words, during martial law or a government declared civil disturbance in reaction to “radical or extremist elements,” guns will be confiscated and held by the military.

In 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the New Orleans Police, National Guard troops, and U.S. Marshals confiscated firearms. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns,” New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass declared as he prepared to violate the Second Amendment. The National Guard conducted warrantless house-to-house searches in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Katrina served as a beta test and was codified in course material the following year by the Pentagon and published in Civil Disturbance Operations document (released in April of 2006). The instructional document, however, does not use a natural disaster as a premise to confiscate constitutionally-protected firearms, but rather "civil disturbance planning" as did earlier documents under Operation Garden Plot, otherwise known as United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2.

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” stated the report, authored by [Ret.] Lt. Col. Nathan Freir, adding that the military may be needed to quell “purposeful domestic resistance”.

Purposeful? As opposed to random?

That the term 'resistance' is used is interesting. Nothing the difference between criminal behavior and that of citizens not wanting martial law, thereby 'resisting'.

We are well armed. And there are not enough military to handle us. Even here in Mexifornia, the gun dealers have done such a great business, that our favorite one has quit his day job and is opening a huge shop behind his house. If we get to go to a 'red-necked' state, I imagine the odds are even better.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-06   17:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Serenissima Venezia (#1)

If we get to go to a 'red-necked' state

It's possible that AZ, NV, and Oregon may close their borders and we'll be trapped.

Stand your ground! The notion of hopping the fence into Mexico doesn't appeal to me, although I'm very close to the border.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-07-06   17:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Serenissima Venezia (#1)

We are well armed. And there are not enough military to handle us.

The total number of uniformed law-enforcement and military- combined- is only 3.2 million. That includes overseas troops, BTW.

Compare that to the total gun sales over the past 10 years:

Even if you write off... say... 4 million weapons via the "Fast and Furious" scandal, you still have 140 million weapons in the hands of civilians, versus a piddley 3.2 million worth of cannon-fodder. That works out to ~44 weapons for every cop/soldier!

They don't stand a chance. Which is why they use intimidation, propaganda and ridiculous "anti-terrorist proclamations [the "see something say something" campaign says it all] to try to whip up the public into a frenzy.

It's having the opposite effect, IMO. They're looking more silly, more desperate as they try to find bogey-men under every rock, behind every tree... and at the local Starbucks paying cash for a cup of Java. They're a joke, and only the completely stupid even pay them any mind...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-06   18:06:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#3)

They're a joke, and only the completely stupid even pay them any mind...

More like totally braindead but anyway there sure is enough of them out there to elect/re-elect them.... Prime example is Charlie Rangel!!

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   18:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#3)

Even if you write off... say... 4 million weapons via the "Fast and Furious" scandal, you still have 140 million weapons in the hands of civilians, versus a piddley 3.2 million worth of cannon-fodder. That works out to ~44 weapons for every cop/soldier!

Nice chart - thank you.

Even considering that most gun owners have more than one gun, when the time comes, they WILL be sharing those with friends and family to protect their homes/neighborhoods/compounds.

Yes, they do look silly and paranoid with their proclamations.

(I guess we CAN agree on something!)

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-06   18:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#2)

It's possible that AZ, NV, and Oregon may close their borders and we'll be trapped.

that's a horrible thought -and not one I've considered.

Yet.

Thanks for the nightmare scenario ;(

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-06   18:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Serenissima Venezia (#5)

It would seem, after reading some of your posts, that we agree on quite a bit.

The 'veteran' posters of this forum tend to pigeon-hole others. Some are easy to understand- Brian S (propagandist), mctoejam (socialist who writes as if he's seriously high on weed), lucysmom/mininggold (dual screen-names for an old and bitter woman), and of course Stone (avowed holy-roller, but moral coward).

Others are quite consistent in their posts and apparent beliefs- hondo68, buckeroo, murron, sneakypete, CZ82 and wethepeople come to mind. I think these posters have their heads screwed on straight.

The moral-relativism crowd basically can't stand me... The holy- roller/helpless-sinner crowd views me as a pariah; the neocons call me a liberal, the liberals think I'm a fascist, etc. All rather amusing labels, so they can dismiss what they don't understand. ;)

BTW, I'm in the Inland Empire, work in Alhambra. Close enough, to the left- coast belly of the beast... sometimes I think too close. Have a good weekend.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-06   23:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#0)

Buy hollow points and learn to hit the enemy in the head. Head shots are great.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-06   23:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Head shots are great.

Yeah, the world's finest military couldn't find Obama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein for many years after Americans PAID TRILLIONS of tax-dollars to find the two. Now, look at where we are at ... we could have just found the pair of culprits playing dueling banjoes without all the fuckin' political and military hype without the cost or time or misery.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-07-06   23:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

They only decided Osama wasn't one of theirs when their expansionist world dominion was being thwarted by their CIA boy.

SJN  posted on  2012-07-07   0:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)

Hey, I rather gravitate to your philosophical propensity.

Even though, I'm a fundy holy roller. : )))))

SJN  posted on  2012-07-07   0:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SJN (#11)

LOL.

Wellllllllllllllll..................

I suppose I should explain myself further, with regard to this particular term...

I don't have any problem with those who find value in religion or some other vehicle for spiritual awakening. In my opinion, even those (like sneaky, I believe) who call themselves "agnostic" can have a sense of spirituality; it seems to me that the people who fall into this unique category simply dislike the trappings of organized religion. And yes, I would fall into this group, as strangely chaotic as it sounds.

The "holy-rollers," as I term them, are those that are scrambling to sit in the front row of pews, who (through words or actions) demonstrate pride in knowing the hymns by heart, and can say "amen" at just the right moment... And they're the same ones who flip each other off in the parking lot, as they jockey for position to leave the church at the end of services...

In other words, they mouth the words, they profess a superb knowledge of the holy books (whichever version they use), yet the completely miss the point of the whole thing...

I've had quite a few examples where I was the only one to stop and help people in trouble- once pulling a family from a burning car. Nobody stopped to help. A couple of weeks later, one of my customers asked me if that was me with the burning car (and my wife had no idea what it was about)... I said yes. He was one of those proudly religious people, yet his actions showed his true colors.

I don't attend any church, nor do I profess knowledge of the Bible (beyond general stuff), but it seems that when the SHTF, I'm the one to act, while everyone else stands around and watches.

Which leads me to have little use for organized religion.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes.

Good night...

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-07   1:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Capitalist Eric (#12)

Well, attending a church and faith in Christ and the Gospel has little to do with "organized religion". Many people I've met have left their churches because they were not teaching Biblical truth, or because they hadn't toed the line within those churches.

Theology and the study of the scriptures used to be considered one of the sciences. Now, it's been relegated to a big zero and been ridiculed and drummed out of our Universities and Schools. Which tells me how sorely our world has sunk that they have no philosophical desire to delve beyond what society has decided is the "highbrow intelligence." Even though history, archeology, etc. constantly throw the truth of Gospel back in the faces of the deniers.

How do you know that there were Christians around you when you acted? Besides that, people, whether Christian or not, do not always act when needed. (Flight or fight is not relegated to one or the other).

SJN  posted on  2012-07-07   2:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)

Others are quite consistent in their posts and apparent beliefs- hondo68, buckeroo, murron, sneakypete, CZ82 and wethepeople come to mind. I think these posters have their heads screwed on straight.

You need to edit this before my wife sees it or she just might get a logon and cuss you out... :}

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-07   10:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Capitalist Eric (#7)

We're just a few hours apart - are you getting triple digits this week too?

Well, even though you don't like labels for yourself (but don't mind applying them to others), how would you categorize your political views?

BTW, label me all you want. Being worthy of a label just means I have consistent principles, something rare these days I'm afraid ;)

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-09   12:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#0)

A newly leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” outlines how military assets are to be used domestically to quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.

This is so secret, I don't know about it:) I would be more concerned with federal law enforcement. The Services military police are ill equipped to do what is feared. Plus, each service member takes an oath to support and defend the Constitution, not help others trash it. The difference in the enlisted and commissioned officer oaths tell us something.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-09   12:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Serenissima Venezia (#15)

We're just a few hours apart - are you getting triple digits this week too?

98 yesterday. Was sanding my '68 Camaro in the heat- the wife said I'm nuts... LOL.

Well, even though you don't like labels for yourself (but don't mind applying them to others), how would you categorize your political views?

I tend to categorize people based on their behaviors- though nearly everyone breaks such easy delineations, from time to time. For example, while Brian S posts nearly-incessant propaganda pieces, he occasionally posts some article that is highly original, and thought-provoking (which, by definition, is the exact opposite of propaganda). So, perhaps my approach isn't quite the best...

As to my views, I'm a a recovering "Republican." When they GOP went neo-con, and swung left (socially and fiscally), with imperialist ambitions, they lost me.

I finally realized that the political "spectrum" that we're currently presented with, is a false dichotomy. Our current crop of elected "representatives," regardless of what letter is behind their name, pushes the inexorable trend toward a command economy. Sadly, few posters on this forum have recognized this fact, and instead exhibit normalcy biases, in the vain belief that we don't have tyranny... when, by any objective measure, our government is now completely out of control...

I would most accurately be described as a Constitutional Republican, as defined here.

BTW, label me all you want. Being worthy of a label just means I have consistent principles, something rare these days I'm afraid ;)

Sometimes, being consistent in your beliefs can be a detriment. Witness the devout followers of the GOP, even as the party stabs its supporters in the back, repeatedly. Witness the support of mcRomney as the "electable" candidate, because he's the Republican nominee... even though he's the penultimate example of "speaking with a forked tongue."

My views have changed greatly, over time... Going from being a hard-core Republican, to ultimately rejecting the entire GOP establishment. I've learned more about history on my own, than I was ever taught in school... and what I've learned, has made me disillusioned with our government and its policies.

And having a strong understanding of economics, and what our government has done to us... makes me bitter and angry, over the corruption and in- your-face theft done by the government of the people.

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, and the government knows that the backlash, when the truth comes out, may be quite severe... which is why the DHS (o'Bungler's de facto private army) ordered 400 million rounds of hollow-point .40-caliber ammunition. If you weren't aware, this type of ammo is not used for target-practice; it's to maximize soft-tissue damage of "soft" targets- that is, people who aren't wearing body-armor (i.e., civilians).

Witness the Executive Orders that o'Bungler has signed, the use of drones in American cities, the willingness to designate Americans as "terrorists" and then execute them without any charges (much less a trial).

The government is preparing for war... against the American citizens.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-09   13:38:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)

Sometimes, being consistent in your beliefs can be a detriment. Witness the devout followers of the GOP, even as the party stabs its supporters in the back, repeatedly.

But you are confusing being a consistent follower with keeping consistent principles. If one were to call themselves a devout Republican over the last forty years or so, then I would say that their principles have wavered since the party has changed. To paraphrase Reagan "I didn't leave the Republican Party, it has left me."

I am with you 120% that our government is out to wage war on us - those that refuse to follow along and practice any sort of resistance. We are as prepared as we can be, living in a metropolitan city in a border state. I sure hope we are able to escape to a safer area when all this comes to fruition... You as well ;) we need as many as possible that are willing to face reality.

That said, I will still vote for Romney as the lesser of evils. I think the end result is the same, but the Republicans will slow down the country's demise which will hopefully give me more time to relocate.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-09   14:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Serenissima Venezia (#18)

but the Republicans will slow down the country's demise which will hopefully give me more time to relocate.

Yes the current "choice" is between a full arterial bleed out or putting on a pressure bandage.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-09   14:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#19)

Yes the current "choice" is between a full arterial bleed out or putting on a pressure bandage.

Sometimes, I think it's just best to get it overwith - destroy the county and then the rebuilding can commence.

Problem is, I'm on the wrong side of the fence right now and don't want to be stuck with all these idiot liberals! I need time to get to my rural, red- necked hideaway...

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-09   17:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Serenissima Venezia (#20)

Problem is, I'm on the wrong side of the fence right now and don't want to be stuck with all these idiot liberals! I need time to get to my rural, red- necked hideaway...

It is now time to execute the "red neck option." Drop everything and find a real estate agent in the Ozark MTS:) Starter kit includes corn pipe, straw hat, bib overalls, shot gun, rifle, pistol and bango. All properties come with a rusting auto hulk on the front lawn:)

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-10   11:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#21)

It is now time to execute the "red neck option." Drop everything and find a real estate agent in the Ozark MTS:) Starter kit includes corn pipe, straw hat, bib overalls, shot gun, rifle, pistol and bango. All properties come with a rusting auto hulk on the front lawn:)

LOL!

Actually, sounds like my version of paradise. As long as I get a tin roof, a front porch, and a dirt road too.

Am looking as hard as I can for a job for hubby - and he's finally willing to relocation ASAP too ;) Just need to do this prudently, in case the crash is delayed. Don't want to have to learn to cook slugs or anything..

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-10   12:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Serenissima Venezia (#22)

LOL!

Actually, sounds like my version of paradise. As long as I get a tin roof, a front porch, and a dirt road too.

Am looking as hard as I can for a job for hubby - and he's finally willing to relocation ASAP too ;) Just need to do this prudently, in case the crash is delayed. Don't want to have to learn to cook slugs or anything..

That is part of the catch of moving to "greater areas." Not much in the line of work that you would see in a city. My boss did some retirement/second career research. If you move to "the sticks" and want to have the same job income from living close to a city:

1. can you do your business off the internet?

2. are you willing to drive 2-3 hours one way each day to go to work

3. or are you willing to take a pay cut and find honest local work doing what they do there?

When driving through the Ozarks taking my family to Branson, I saw some wonderful lake front property and wondered about the prices. I was shocked at how low the prices were, but then realized that unless you worked in timber, farming, dairy, or open a local store, there was not much there.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-10   12:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#23)

When driving through the Ozarks taking my family to Branson, I saw some wonderful lake front property and wondered about the prices. I was shocked at how low the prices were, but then realized that unless you worked in timber, farming, dairy, or open a local store, there was not much there.

Same here, but with the Kentucky lakes. I've been looking at properties online - and get to go see them in person on a 5-week driving vacation looking for relocation spots. I can't wait! I've always lived somewhere ugly (border states) so this will be exciting.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-10   16:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Serenissima Venezia (#24)

I've always lived somewhere ugly (border states) so this will be exciting.

Ah no wonder you picked "Serenissima Venezia" as a handle. To offset your current surroundings:)

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-10   16:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter (#25)

Ah no wonder you picked "Serenissima Venezia" as a handle. To offset your current surroundings:)

LOL!

My mirages involve canals and the flapping of water against century-old stone palazzos..

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-10   19:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#0)

They're going to need all this fire power for when the treyvonners don't get their way !

The romney govt will drop all those false charges !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-07-10   20:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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