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Title: Trayvon Martin Killed By Single Gunshot Fired From 'Intermediate Range,' Autopsy Shows
Source: By NBC News and msnbc.com
URL Source: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... ?chromedomain=openchannel&lite
Published: May 16, 2012
Author: By NBC News and msnbc.com
Post Date: 2012-05-16 20:20:15 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 26601
Comments: 71

Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News. Advertise | AdChoices

Both documents are part of a mountain of evidence – up to 300 pages and 67 CDs of witness statements, surveillance videos and other material-- expected to be made public soon in connection with the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman.

Zimmerman allegedly shot Martin during a confrontation inside the gated community in Sanford where Zimmerman was a neighborhood volunteer and where Martin was visiting his father’s fiancée.

After first reporting a suspicious person in the neighborhood in a phone call to Sanford police, Zimmerman followed the teenager before a fatal confrontation that remains shrouded in mystery.

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#17. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

You'd have unloaded on Trayvon about 5 or 6 times, right?

Nahh..If I were the Z-man I'd have sicced my Rottie on him.

No Tyrone's where you live Fred..really?

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-16   22:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Capitalist Eric (#16)

Excellent choice!

That may very well be what I end up with. I like the Tactical Custom II.

www.kimberamerica.com/191...cal-ii/tactical-custom-ii

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We The People  posted on  2012-05-16   23:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: We The People (#6)

In a 1911 would you go with Springfield or S&W? Or what?

Since I didn't even know S&W builds a 1911,I'd go with Springfield. They've been doing it for years and have a good reputation.

If you prefer to buy a used basic 1911,look around for a Norinco. It pains me to say this,but they were really good basic military model 1911A1's. Maybe the only Chinese product ever built that had good steel.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-16   23:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: We The People, Fred Mertz (#10)

I've just decided to ping our resident combat pistol guy, badeye, for comment.

Really? I didn't know that.

Fred was being sarcastic.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-16   23:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete, We The People (#19)

In a 1911 would you go with Springfield or S&W? Or what?

Since I didn't even know S&W builds a 1911,I'd go with Springfield. They've been doing it for years and have a good reputation.

If you prefer to buy a used basic 1911,look around for a Norinco. It pains me to say this,but they were really good basic military model 1911A1's. Maybe the only Chinese product ever built that had good steel.

S&W makes some great 1911s. Their Elite series is a match grade piece right out of the box. S&W has always used an external ejector design so that is one major difference from a pure Browning 1911 design since he used an internal ejector on on THAT design. External ejectors are better, you don't have to time them and if they break they are an easy fix. In fact in ALL of his later designs of autoloaders Browning also used an external ejector design.

One thing about Kimber is their legendary LACK of customer service, (if you are just a citizen). Also it's alot harder to get Kimber mags. Don't get me wrong, I like Kimbers and I'll be getting a carry one soon. I looked at one yesterday, (ultra Carry II), but I also looked at the compact Glock and the Para Warthog.

As far as I'm concerned you can't have too many .45s/1911s. If I was forced to keep just one I'd keep my S&W 1911STA, it ROCKS, (I love that it came with a titanium firing pin and adjustable trigger etc).

I used to be a 1911 purist, now I'm just a .45 acp purist, (and .40 cal, and 10mm, and .357 and 9mm and 22 mag and 22 lr and ...), ;^)

btw; to me, my full sized S&W 1911STA handles better than almost any 45 that I've ever owned, and I REALLY dig the ALL stainless frame and slide.

Personally I would not own a ChiCom anything, BUT that said, I do own several RUSSIAN shotguns and AKS which I like for what they were designed for.

I've also been looking at Sig Sauer P220s and the H&Ks, which are both WAY pricey, (Kimber level or more), for all metal ones. Sig has been having quality issues for the last couple of years and H&K's customer service makes Kimber look good. So it's always a matter of taste.

The all metal Springfields are OK places to start, I have no opinion on any of the poly receiver firearms, except to say that as an old fart I always prefer ALL METAL pieces.

Hope this helps.

ALWAYS, check the latest CDNN Investments catalog, they have KILLER deals on firearms. I saw a Sig P220 with aluminum grips and 2 extra 6 rnd mags for around $550. + shipping and xfer fees. (I'd avoid some of their optics and little stuff because most of them are ChiCom made).

If I could I'd buy them ALL.

I saw a nib unfired S&W 1911STA on AK list last week for $850. , but I snoozed. So they are around if you look for them.

Sorry ... you just kind of hit a special nerve re shopping for .45acp pistols with me.

Good luck and happy shooting.

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Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   3:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Brian S, Fred Mertz, We The People, Capitalist Eric, Thunderbird, sneakypete (#0)

Trayvon Martin Killed By Single Gunshot Fired From 'Intermediate Range,' Autopsy Shows

I hate to drag you all away from gun porn and insulting each other but what is this intermediate range? 1 foot? 10 feet? It may make a big difference in the credibility of Z's story.

Intermediate Range Gunshot

An intermediate range gunshot usually will deposit a significant amount of particulate residue that is not easily seen with the eye but can be detected through a microscopic examination and through chemical testing. The results may read something like:

Exhibit 1 (shirt) was found to have a bullet entrance hole in the chest area.  A deposit of gunshot residues were found around this hole that are consistent with those that would be deposited by an intermediate range gunshot.

An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition.


When no residues are found around a bullet hole, it can mean several things.

  1. The firearm was at a distance far enough away that the residues did not reach the garment.

  2. An intervening object between the firearm and garment preventing the residues from reaching the garment.

  3. Gunshot residues were removed through severe handling, heavy bleeding, or by some other means.

Since a shooting by Z can fall in the range of 15 inches, it seems that nothing in this report impeaches any portion of Z's account of a self-defense shooting.

Notice how libmedia never bothers to mention this little fact as they continue to peddle their "white Hispanic stalker" meme.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   7:12:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mad Dog (#21) (Edited)

ALWAYS, check the latest CDNN Investments catalog, they have KILLER deals on firearms. I saw a Sig P220 with aluminum grips and 2 extra 6 rnd mags for around $550. + shipping and xfer fees.

I bought one of the "full size" Sig P220s with aluminum grips, night sights and 2 magazines from CDNN about a year ago.... They have them made especially for them and the aluminum grips are good for people with smaller hands.....

Haven't had a single FTE or FTF yet and have run all kinds of ammo (cheap and expensive) thru it. Sights were only slightly off to the left when I got it (which seems to be the case with most Sigs) one adjustment with a punch took care of it.... Shoots nice tight groupings... Very nice pistol for the price.....

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CZ82  posted on  2012-05-17   7:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#22)

Notice how libmedia never bothers to mention this little fact as they continue to peddle their "white Hispanic stalker" meme

With extra emphasis on the "White" part!!!

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-17   7:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#24)

With extra emphasis on the "White" part!!!

Whiter than Elizabeth Warren?     : )

Z's grandmother who virtually raised him was half-black and Peruvian. He's a hundred times more black and a hundred times more Hispanic than the Harvard Squaw is a Cherokee.

Thanks for the reply though. I posted this in Breaking at LP and didn't get any reply at all. Apparently, I am the only person who didn't previously know the technical meaning of "intermediate range" gunshots or something. I thought it was rather interesting but I'm usually wrong about these things.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   9:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#22)

I hate to drag you all away from gun porn and insulting each other but what is this intermediate range? 1 foot? 10 feet? It may make a big difference in the credibility of Z's story.

Concurring bump. Both the distance and the trajectory are important.

-btw I'm calling "bullshit" on this intermediate range conclusion by MSNBC. I read elsewhere that there was stippling around the gunshot wound indicating powder burns.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-17   9:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Thunderbird (#26) (Edited)

Concurring bump. Both the distance and the trajectory are important.

I'd like to know the path the bullet took through Trayvon's body.

If the front entry wound indicated a path from lower-to-higher, that would be consistent with a shot fired while Trayvon was on top of him. The sharper the angle, the more it supports Z. Well, unless Trayvon was laying on the ground and Z shot him there (not a bit of evidence supports that yet).

-btw I'm calling "bullshit" on this intermediate range conclusion by MSNBC. I read elsewhere that there was stippling around the gunshot wound indicating powder burns.

They sure manage to avoid conveying the actual meaning of "intermediate". Most people will hear that and just assume, like I did, that it means something like 3-6 feet or more. That would bad for Z's account and he will walk if nothing in his account is disproved. And I don't think MSNBC failed to consider whether people knew "intermediate" or not; I think they deliberately used this as an inflammatory article against some uppity Hispanic who thinks he's white or something.

The conflicts between MSNBC's version of the autopsy report (which they never actually quote though they pretend they are) and what we've read at most every other site. For instance, that detail over the skinned knuckles.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   10:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#25)

I thought it was rather interesting but I'm usually wrong about these things.

I was guessing that "intermediate" was something beyond arms reach, 5 or 6 feet at least, so I found it informative.


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Hondo68  posted on  2012-05-17   10:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#22)

An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition.

I agree with your conclusions, that this could easily fall within the scenario that Z claims to have occurred. As well, wasn't Martin also wearing a hoodie, which would have further shielded the body from stippling and burn marks?

The quote also throws in some other questions, which will only be answered by using Z's pistol, and doing some testing to determine the likely distance. It would necessarily include shooting through the hoodie (and whatever he may have worn under it, such as a T-shirt), to get solid data upon which to base "medium" or "close" range.

All this is JMHO, of course; I'm in no way a forensics expert.

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Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17   11:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Thunderbird (#26)

-btw I'm calling "bullshit" on this intermediate range conclusion by MSNBC.

Yeah, that was my point on my first reply of this thread. I guess I was a bit too oblique in how I expressed it...

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17   11:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative (#22)

Notice how libmedia never bothers to mention this little fact as they continue to peddle their "white Hispanic stalker" meme.

It makes sense to me. Why else would there have been a confrontation between these two?

It was a terrible and tragic result that could have been easily avoided. The police department was also at fault for trying to write it off. Terrible.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-17   11:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#31)

The hearing is on August 8 !

The trial is after the election !

We need it to see how stupid the lib prosecution - element is !

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BorisY  posted on  2012-05-17   11:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mad Dog, We The People, CZ82 (#21)

One thing about Kimber is their legendary LACK of customer service, (if you are just a citizen). Also it's alot harder to get Kimber mags. Don't get me wrong, I like Kimbers and I'll be getting a carry one soon.

With my first one (about 12 years ago), I had some FTF issues... sent it back to the factory, and the polished the ramp a bit more (they're usually mirror- smooth, anyway), took about 2 weeks turnaround time... STILL had feed problems.

It turned out the Kimber magazines often have rough edges on the inside of the mag, where the top round lays against the mag fingers, ready to be stripped out and pushed into the chamber. I took a knife sharpenening stone, rubbed on the offending edges for about 30 seconds per side, and haven't had a failure (to feed OR eject) since. With every Kimber magazine I have, that's always been an issue, and I've learned to clean them up very quickly. Easy peezy. But nowadays, when I buy spares, I get Wilson Combat mags. Very good prices, and you get 8 in the mag instead of 7.

Their completely black low-profile sights bugged me, though- in low-light conditions, you've got nothing to aim from... Shooting at the standard round, black targets was a bitch. For a while, I painted the Glock-style marks on my guns, but finally I shelled out the money, bought Tritium 3-dots. Now I love 'em.

As to the other manufacturers, I haven't tried them. I "grew up" on the Colt .45 in the Navy, so when it came time to buy as a civilian, I went to a range in San Jose, rented out a bunch of different 1911's, and I soon as I shot a Kimber, I knew that was it; no need to keep looking.

Between the dead-on accuracy and consistency, the smooth-as-silk trigger and the price, I don't bother considering anything else. As a side note, getting used to the silky trigger allowed me to go back to the cheaper guns (where you can feel the block "hang" just before it fires), and not have any more anticipation problems. Now, I'm just rock-steady, whether it's with a Ruger P- 89-94, the XDs or anything else... The Kimber forced me to become a much better shooter.

YMMV, of course.

An interesting side-note on the Springfield XD-9... while they're absolutely incredible for reliability, simplicity and offer pretty good accuracy, they have very stiff recoil springs, and will not tolerate cheap ammo from a company that does "light" powder loads. If you run good stuff, they'll rock and roll forever, it seems. The other aspect of this, is that my wife simply didn't have the upper-body strength to operate the slide correctly.

So one day we stopped at the Cabelas outside Philly... imagine a gun-case 100' long, ALL pistols. I figured, if she couldn't find something she liked here, than I was completely screwed. I had her start trying out different 9mm models, to find one she could slide back easily. She picked out the Ruger P89, because it's easy to operate.

As a bonus, you can pick up a nice used one for ~$300, and a new one for <$500, all day. It easily matches the accuracy of the XD-9, and has (so far) been very reliable. We picked up a new P94 as well, essentially the same thing. She's VERY happy with them, and getting better with every trip to the range.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17   11:38:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mad Dog (#21)

I've also been looking at Sig Sauer P220s and the H&Ks,

I plan on buying a CZ 75 SP01 in 40 S&W in the near future. Not because I really need another handgun (or most of the ones I already have),but because I don't have a 40 cal and they are really nice guns.

I'll probably buy a basic gun because I am a firm believer in the theory that the less crap there is the less crap there is to go wrong.

Not to mention the fact that they are ALL "ghost sights" to me nowadays,so why pay more for useless upgrades? I can spend that money on dies,brass,primers,and powder.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   12:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#22)

What is this intermediate range?

Near as I can tell,it is located somewhere between "here" and "there".

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   12:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

As well, wasn't Martin also wearing a hoodie, which would have further shielded the body from stippling and burn marks?

EXCELLENT catch! They show a photo of the t-shirt he was wearing UNDER the hoodie,but no photo of the hoodie itself.

It stands to reason the majority of the gunpowder residue would be on the hoodie and not the tshirt.

Looks like another case of reporting with a agenda in order to influence a court outcome and inflame a gullible public.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   12:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#36) (Edited)

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17   12:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#36)

EXCELLENT catch! They show a photo of the t-shirt he was wearing UNDER the hoodie,but no photo of the hoodie itself.

In all fairness, that photo is not the one Martin was wearing, just an example (hyperlinked at the top of the post).

I'm just asking what they used to justify the "medium" range determination? Was it skin marks? Did they look at the hoodie? Did they test the weapon with the same ammo it had been loaded with?

To just say "it was THIS distance" just seems irresponsible, to me...

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17   12:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: hondo68 (#28)

I was guessing that "intermediate" was something beyond arms reach, 5 or 6 feet at least, so I found it informative.

It does make you realize that there was a deliberate misimpression that the writer tried to create, eh?

Well, unless the MSNBC staffers are bigger raving gun fanatics than Ted Nugent and just happen to believe that everyone else is too. But then, we know that isn't true and there probably isn't a single gun owner on the entire staff.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   13:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

I agree with your conclusions, that this could easily fall within the scenario that Z claims to have occurred. As well, wasn't Martin also wearing a hoodie, which would have further shielded the body from stippling and burn marks?

Hoodie, yes. But no more details are out yet.

When you start to think about this "intermediate" bit, you realize what a piece of propaganda it is.

And, if you absorb this supposed "fact" about "intermediate", then you're ripe for the next lie they decide to tell in the Tragic Tale Of Trayvon.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   13:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: sneakypete (#35)

Near as I can tell,it is located somewhere between "here" and "there".

You're not helping here, you know.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   13:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: All (#32)

We need it to see how stupid the lib prosecution - element is !

ebonic hex - virus !

A Christian exorcism is the only help - cure !

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BorisY  posted on  2012-05-17   13:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Capitalist Eric, Mad Dog, sneakypete, CZ82 (#33)

Thanks for the input guys.

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We The People  posted on  2012-05-17   13:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TooConservative (#22)

I hate to drag you all away from gun porn and insulting each other

As you should!

Shame on you for trying to keep a thread on track and introducing relevant material!

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We The People  posted on  2012-05-17   15:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People (#44)

Now I feel Real Bad. What was I thinking?

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-05-17   16:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#23)

I bought one of the "full size" Sig P220s with aluminum grips, night sights and 2 magazines from CDNN about a year ago.... They have them made especially for them and the aluminum grips are good for people with smaller hands.....

Haven't had a single FTE or FTF yet and have run all kinds of ammo (cheap and expensive) thru it. Sights were only slightly off to the left when I got it (which seems to be the case with most Sigs) one adjustment with a punch took care of it.... Shoots nice tight groupings... Very nice pistol for the price.....

CDNN is a great outfit.

They have the best police trade ins buys.

I think that is the same pistol they have in their latest catalog. Made for them by Sig with the Aluminum grips and a couple of extra mags. I've been thinking about getting one.

It's also a full metal weapon, which I prefer, (OLD fart OLD school).

They were almost giving away all Saigas a few years ago. All in all CDNN is a very good outfit imo.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   16:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Capitalist Eric, Thunderbird (#30)

-btw I'm calling "bullshit" on this intermediate range conclusion by MSNBC.

Yeah, that was my point on my first reply of this thread. I guess I was a bit too oblique in how I expressed it...

It's OBVIOUSLY the leftstream media trying to convict Z, as per usual.

I noticed it immediately, BUT I don't expect anything even close to the TRUTH or FACTS from those ministry of "truth" bastards about firearms EVER.

What do you expect from FOOLS who purposely don't know the difference between a FULLY automatic "machine gun", and a SEMI-auto firearm?

These people are EVIL, they LIE as a matter of course.

Not to mention that they are by and large completely ignorant about this subject.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   16:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Capitalist Eric, We The People, CZ82 (#33)

One thing about Kimber is their legendary LACK of customer service, (if you are just a citizen). Also it's alot harder to get Kimber mags. Don't get me wrong, I like Kimbers and I'll be getting a carry one soon.

With my first one (about 12 years ago), I had some FTF issues... sent it back to the factory, and the polished the ramp a bit more (they're usually mirror- smooth, anyway), took about 2 weeks turnaround time... STILL had feed problems.

It turned out the Kimber magazines often have rough edges on the inside of the mag, where the top round lays against the mag fingers, ready to be stripped out and pushed into the chamber. I took a knife sharpenening stone, rubbed on the offending edges for about 30 seconds per side, and haven't had a failure (to feed OR eject) since. With every Kimber magazine I have, that's always been an issue, and I've learned to clean them up very quickly. Easy peezy. But nowadays, when I buy spares, I get Wilson Combat mags. Very good prices, and you get 8 in the mag instead of 7.

Their completely black low-profile sights bugged me, though- in low-light conditions, you've got nothing to aim from... Shooting at the standard round, black targets was a bitch. For a while, I painted the Glock-style marks on my guns, but finally I shelled out the money, bought Tritium 3-dots. Now I love 'em.

As to the other manufacturers, I haven't tried them. I "grew up" on the Colt .45 in the Navy, so when it came time to buy as a civilian, I went to a range in San Jose, rented out a bunch of different 1911's, and I soon as I shot a Kimber, I knew that was it; no need to keep looking.

Between the dead-on accuracy and consistency, the smooth-as-silk trigger and the price, I don't bother considering anything else. As a side note, getting used to the silky trigger allowed me to go back to the cheaper guns (where you can feel the block "hang" just before it fires), and not have any more anticipation problems. Now, I'm just rock-steady, whether it's with a Ruger P- 89-94, the XDs or anything else... The Kimber forced me to become a much better shooter.

YMMV, of course.

An interesting side-note on the Springfield XD-9... while they're absolutely incredible for reliability, simplicity and offer pretty good accuracy, they have very stiff recoil springs, and will not tolerate cheap ammo from a company that does "light" powder loads. If you run good stuff, they'll rock and roll forever, it seems. The other aspect of this, is that my wife simply didn't have the upper-body strength to operate the slide correctly.

So one day we stopped at the Cabelas outside Philly... imagine a gun-case 100' long, ALL pistols. I figured, if she couldn't find something she liked here, than I was completely screwed. I had her start trying out different 9mm models, to find one she could slide back easily. She picked out the Ruger P89, because it's easy to operate.

As a bonus, you can pick up a nice used one for ~$300, and a new one for <$500, all day. It easily matches the accuracy of the XD-9, and has (so far) been very reliable. We picked up a new P94 as well, essentially the same thing. She's VERY happy with them, and getting better with every trip to the range.

That's very good info re the Kimber mags et. al. eric, thanks.

I too like the Wilson Combat mags, Mec-Gar also makes some very fine mags.

I hear you on the sights, I use the Tritium 3 dot myself, my S&W 1911STA came with them.

I am very familiar with the metal Springfields, but I haven't any experience with the poly ones. I had heard they were fine with good ammo.

All I can say, is happy wife happy life, unhappy wife absolute misery life.

ALWAYS take care of the lady FIRST.

You are WISE grasshopper.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   17:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#34)

I've also been looking at Sig Sauer P220s and the H&Ks,

I plan on buying a CZ 75 SP01 in 40 S&W in the near future. Not because I really need another handgun (or most of the ones I already have),but because I don't have a 40 cal and they are really nice guns.

I'll probably buy a basic gun because I am a firm believer in the theory that the less crap there is the less crap there is to go wrong.

Not to mention the fact that they are ALL "ghost sights" to me nowadays,so why pay more for useless upgrades? I can spend that money on dies,brass,primers,and powder.

I love the CZ design.

"NEED" hasn't got a D@MNED thing to do with firearms imo. I like to have a couple in each caliber so I get experience shooting with different calibers.

I'm TOTALLY with you on the bells and whistles thing. I like my firearms basic and RELIABLE.

LOL! Funny how when we get older we end up where we were when we were young.

I was started out by shooting metal line of sight, at target center of mass, with "snap" point shooting.

Now my eyes are so bad I'm forced to do it as my normal procedure, (those three dots do help me anyhow).

I can also add two numbers in my head without a calculator.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   17:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#39)

I was guessing that "intermediate" was something beyond arms reach, 5 or 6 feet at least, so I found it informative.

It does make you realize that there was a deliberate misimpression that the writer tried to create, eh?

Well, unless the MSNBC staffers are bigger raving gun fanatics than Ted Nugent and just happen to believe that everyone else is too. But then, we know that isn't true and there probably isn't a single gun owner on the entire staff.

EXACTOMUNDO!

BUT I'd be happy to bet the FARM on a fair bet that many of those people DO own firearms but that they would NEVER admit it.

You see as far as THEY are concerned it's OK if we and OUR families are slaughtered, BUT they are IMPORTANT.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   17:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: We The People, Capitalist Eric, Mad Dog, sneakypete, CZ82 (#43)

.

ANYTIME you want to discuss firearms, just let me know.

"GOD, GUNS, and GUTS, built and KEEP AMERICA."

"MOLON LABE!"

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   17:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: We The People, Fred Mertz, Capitalist Eric, Mad Dog, CZ82 (#43)

BTW,am I the only one that has noticed this "white racist debbil wat dun killeded dat pore young church boy what were on his way to church" happens to be darker than our "black" president?

WAT UP WID DAT?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   18:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mad Dog (#49) (Edited)

I was started out by shooting metal line of sight, at target center of mass, with "snap" point shooting.

Now my eyes are so bad I'm forced to do it as my normal procedure, (those three dots do help me anyhow).

Welcome to my world.

The bad news is it ain't going to get better.

I think there was good news about it too,but I forgot what that was.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   18:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#34)

I plan on buying a CZ 75 SP01 in 40 S&W in the near future. Not because I really need another handgun (or most of the ones I already have),but because I don't have a 40 cal and they are really nice guns.

This is what I'm contemplating getting in the near future....

czcustom.com/CZ-75D- PCR-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-17   18:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete, meguro (#52)

WAT UP WID DAT?

Well, petey, it's unfortunate that race comes into play when it shouldn't IMO. I don't like it one bit but I wonder what the agenda is...to boost ratings, to divide the electorate or [fill in the blank].

You forgot to ping meguro.

I confess to falling into the controversy with my opinions when I should mind my own business. What I think won't change a thing down there.

Maybe we need another pretty missing blonde girl story to keep our minds occupied. Heaven forbid, we don't want to see what's really going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-17   19:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Mad Dog (#46)

I think that is the same pistol they have in their latest catalog. Made for them by Sig with the Aluminum grips and a couple of extra mags. I've been thinking about getting one.

If you do buy one I think you'll like it, they are very nice....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-17   19:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: CZ82 (#54)

This is what I'm contemplating getting in the near future....

I already have a P-35 Browning,so I see no reason to ever again buy another 9mm.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17   19:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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