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Title: Government Waste Public employees second only to financial pros in fraud, study shows
Source: The Washington Free Beacon
URL Source: http://freebeacon.com/government-waste/
Published: May 15, 2012
Author: BY: Bill McMorris
Post Date: 2012-05-15 10:11:30 by SJN
Keywords: None
Views: 6864
Comments: 62

Government workers are among the employees most likely to cheat their employers, according to a new study.

The Association of Certified Fraud Examiners (ACFE), the world’s largest anti-fraud organization, found that public-sector administration employees are responsible for more than 10 percent of fraud cases, ranking behind only financial professionals. In 141 cases examined, the group found that a crooked employee costs taxpayers a median loss of $100,000.

ACFE analyzed nearly 1,400 cases of fraud and corruption worldwide and found that “banking and financial services, government and public administration, and manufacturing accounted for a combined 37 percent of the fraud cases reported.”

ACFE spokesman Scott Patterson said access to large amounts of money and an entitlement mentality could lead to fraud in any organization.

“Government is handling a lot of money, but there have still been cutbacks, so you can have an employee who says ‘I haven’t gotten a raise in two year, so I deserve this,’” he said.

The revelations came as no surprise to Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste.

“The staff at government agencies is honest and hard working, but everything is so large that it’s hard to guard against fraud,” he said. “The objective in Washington generally is to spend the money, not necessarily to examine results or worry about how effectively it’s being spent.”

A congressional staffer who has worked to combat fraud at the federal level agreed that the amount of money being spent has stretched the government thin and left limited accountability. A culture has developed that excuses lavish spending programs, he said, pointing to the GSA’s $800,000 Las Vegas retreat, which has resulted in several firings and resignations.

“The federal government is sending all of this money out and there’s no follow up, no accountability,” the staffer said. “It’s part of the culture.”

However, internal fraud is small potatoes compared with what are considered legitimate pursuits of taxpayer dollars, the source said.

Leaders in state governments have pounced upon a number of loopholes to take advantage of federal money for social programs. State employees will spend small amounts of money to grab federal millions rather than pay for social services out of their own budget.

The state of Washington issued 250,000 $1 checks in 2009 for an “energy assistance program” to food-stamp recipients. The one-time payment allowed the state to capitalize on $43 million from the federal government. A state official, Leo Ribas, said the brazen move was necessary to “leverage the federal money.” Despite the cunning move, the state received a $6 million bonus from the federal government for running an efficient program.

“These guys are gaming the system to get more money out of Washington, and their inefficiency and scamming is being rewarded with more money,” the insider said. “This type of behavior only leads to more dishonesty and it’s emblematic of the problem Washington has when spending this kind of money.”

The food-stamp program suffers many of the accountability shortfalls that can lead to a culture of lax accountability and fraud. In 2009, the program paid out approximately $50 billion in benefits; $2.2 billion of that total, however, was paid in error. More than 80 percent of the payment errors were overpayments, equivalent to $1.8 billion in program transactions, according to Kay E. Brown of the Government Accountability Office.

A case of fraud operates undetected for a median period of 18 months, according to ACFE. Operating in this type of environment allows fraud to perpetuate for lengthy periods of time, according to Patterson.

Lack of accountability creates an environment ripe for abuse, Patterson said.

“Most government organizations have audits, but … in certain bureaucracies where there aren’t the correct controls in place, that’s how the threat of fraud is more pronounced,” he said.

Schatz said the government needs to ramp up its ability to control for fraud and account for how federal funds are used.

“The GAO and various inspector generals at federal agencies continually cite the lack of internal controls at federal agencies,” he said. “That alone makes the expenditures difficult to account for and subject to fraud and abuse, both internally and externally.”

The GAO has had its budget slashed by $60 million over the past two years, a move that could cost taxpayers a lot more in the long run.

“Sixty years ago, the whole federal budget was $42.6 billion and employed 2.2 million people; today, the budget stands at an astonishing $3.7 trillion and the federal (non-military workforce) stands at 2.7 million with millions more in outside contractors,” CAGW’s Leslie Paige writes in a report. “Yet, GAO is less than half the size it was in 1950.”

A Republican congressional staffer said lawmakers must focus on stopping fraud before it starts. He said the answer lies in cutting spending, eliminating government slush funds, and increasing transparency and accountability.

“It is difficult to keep track of large sums of money when it’s going to 50 states with a bunch of different systems,” he said. “That’s why we need to reform how the federal government spends its money and how states can qualify for it; we can’t just write checks and not follow up on them.”

Calls to the GAO and labor groups representing government employees were not returned.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Color me shocked, just shocked I tell you! What we need more of!

/s

SJN  posted on  2012-05-15   10:12:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SJN (#1)

Color me shocked, just shocked I tell you! What we need more of!

/s

And if a Republican wins the presidency you can bet we will. Public employees are only bad during Dem administrations.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-15   12:21:33 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mininggold (#2)

Public employees are only bad during Dem administrations.

You've noticed that too.

Do you think a GOP victory would bring back "debt doesn't matter"?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-15   12:27:34 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mininggold (#2)

Public employees are only bad during Dem administrations.

Actually they suck no matter who is in charge, just go to any DMV in the US and see the semi-trained chimps at their best.

"And don't get smart with me you prick. I know where you live. harrowup posted on 2012-04-30 18:55:29 ET Reply Trace"

calcon  posted on  2012-05-15   12:33:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#3)

Do you think a GOP victory would bring back "debt doesn't matter"?

Under a GOP victory, faith in government will again be restored.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-15   12:40:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: calcon (#4)

Actually they suck no matter who is in charge, just go to any DMV in the US and see the semi-trained chimps at their best.

Actually we have a fairly new one here and the wait seems to be shorter. I use their internet services whenever possible and I can't say I've ever had a problem.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-15   12:44:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: calcon (#4)

Actually they suck no matter who is in charge, just go to any DMV in the US and see the semi-trained chimps at their best.

I went to the DMV recently and got much better service from them than Sears or Comcast. Apparently the State of California is training their chimps better than the private sector.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-15   12:54:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom, mininggold (#7)

wow ladies, i never thought i'd find two people who support the dmv

"And don't get smart with me you prick. I know where you live. harrowup posted on 2012-04-30 18:55:29 ET Reply Trace"

calcon  posted on  2012-05-15   13:03:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: calcon (#8)

wow ladies, i never thought i'd find two people who support the dmv

It's not supposed to be that way, is it.

Last week I had to get copies of some records from the City - I was in, and out of there with the paperwork I needed in less than 5 minutes. Very impressive.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-15   13:28:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#2)

Public employees are only bad during Dem administrations.

What a foolish statement. The behemoth that is now our Government couldn't run a car was efficiently, nor hire people of quality and with qualifications and it doesn't matter what frickin' party is in charge.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-15   14:05:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SJN (#10) (Edited)

What a foolish statement. The behemoth that is now our Government couldn't run a car was efficiently, nor hire people of quality and with qualifications and it doesn't matter what frickin' party is in charge.

Yet hardly a peep when the Pubbies were running things and expanding the Fed workforce with their obsessive need for security.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-15   16:27:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#7)

I went to the DMV recently and got much better service from them than Sears or Comcast. Apparently the State of California is training their chimps better than the private sector.

I guess dead prople aren't allowed to drop ATT Uverse. I've given up trying to get them to stop the service of a dead relative. I've phoned and written many times and turned in all the equipment too but every month there's new charges to the bill.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-15   16:30:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SJN (#0)

Another example of the Nanny State:

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-05-15   16:37:44 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#11) (Edited)

SJN: What a foolish statement. The behemoth that is now our Government couldn't run a car was efficiently, nor hire people of quality and with qualifications and it doesn't matter what frickin' party is in charge.

dingbatbitch: Yet hardly a peep when the Pubbies were running things and expanding the Fed workforce with their obsessive need for security.

Yeah, it's all about "four legs good, two legs bad" with you, isn't it?

You're an idiotic bitch.

With all due respect [which is to say, "none"].

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-15   16:58:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold, A K A Stone, Murron, Mad Dog, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete, Happy Quanzaa, Get Outta Dodge!, CZ82, jwpegler, Rudgear (#12)

I guess dead prople aren't allowed to drop ATT Uverse.

And why not? You're still using it.

I don't know if you're completely dead, yet... so far, necrosis appears to have manifested only above your neck.

I recommend amputation.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-15   17:09:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Capitalist Eric (#15)

And why not? You're still using it.

I don't know if you're completely dead, yet... so far, necrosis appears to have manifested only above your neck.

I recommend amputation.

Again Eric, you make yourself look stupid and mean spirited instead of the witty, genius you think you are.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-15   17:21:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#16) (Edited)

Again Eric, you make yourself look stupid and mean spirited instead of the witty, genius you think you are.

I don't know what to say to such words, from someone such as... you.

How about "Thank you!"

Oh, BTW, I'm sorry you're still hurting over the fact that I possess a genius-level IQ, and you're... well, let's just say that you're somewhere between the areas they term as "dullness," and "feeble-minded."

I would imagine having an IQ somewhere around room-temperature is a bit of a drag for you, but with patience, self-education (instead of self- delusion), and turning off the boob-tube (which was designed for... well, boobs like YOU) will help dramatically.

If nothing else, I recommend you take a tranquilizer. Even better, take the entire bottle. I have no doubts you'll feel better, and so will we, as we'll know another parasite has "shuffled off this mortal coil." :)

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-15   17:40:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mininggold (#11)

et hardly a peep when the Pubbies were running things and expanding the Fed workforce with their obsessive need for security.

Bullcrap, plenty of people were angered at the patriot act on both sides of the aisle and unlike you who suck at the tit of any Government creep that has a D after their political name, we who are still members of the GOP have been trying to wrest control from the very people who have brought us all this tyranny. From the GOP TO THE DNC, those who have woke up understand that Government is not their friend!

SJN  posted on  2012-05-15   18:40:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#13)

Good to see you red!! How's your son?

SJN  posted on  2012-05-15   18:41:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)

How about "Thank you!"

Thank you would be appropriate, but it will probably take you another 20 years to figure that out.

Oh, BTW, I'm sorry you're still hurting over the fact that I possess a genius-level IQ, and you're... well, let's just say that you're somewhere between the areas they term as "dullness," and "feeble-minded."

You're the guy who doesn't know the difference between a town and a mountain range.

If nothing else, I recommend you take a tranquilizer. Even better, take the entire bottle. I have no doubts you'll feel better, and so will we, as we'll know another parasite has "shuffled off this mortal coil." :)

I am sorry for what ever happened in your life that produced such twisted words.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-05-15   23:25:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20)

Capitalist Eric: How about "Thank you!"
Dumb cunt: Thank you would be appropriate, but it will probably take you another 20 years to figure that out.

I already figured it out, you stupid bitch. Your insults- words from a retard- are a joke. Your ideas have no value, and you would rather die than think.

Your empty, pathetic excuse for an existence is about to come to an end. You, and ALL of your parasite friends, are about to be cast off, to fend for yourself. You fucking LOSERS are about to get your just rewards, and nothing could make me happier.

You're the guy who doesn't know the difference between a town and a mountain range.

Please. You made an ass of yourself- again. Your typical black-is-white and white-is-black delusional world cuts no ice with the rest of the world, so again, your words mean nothing.

Me:If nothing else, I recommend you take a tranquilizer. Even better, take the entire bottle. I have no doubts you'll feel better, and so will we, as we'll know another parasite has "shuffled off this mortal coil." :)

Dumb cunt: I am sorry for what ever happened in your life that produced such twisted words.

Again, your words are as empty as your head. What HAPPENED is that I've decided that you're NOT going to live off my hard-earned money.

I cheer every day, when I hear how the economic nanny-state machine is collapsing... because each day is one day closer to the permanent divorce you parasites.

Let me be utterly clear, so there are no misunderstandings:

1. You need to learn to survive WITHOUT my money to subsidize your lazy lifestyle.

2. You don't DESERVE anything from me, my wife or my family. I'd rather see you DEAD than hobble the futures of my kids.

3. If push comes to shove, I'll use force of arms to punctuate point #2.

In summary, I'm fucking SICK of you losers. You make demands, you think you deserve respect, you think I have to bail your sorry ass out of the sling you've got yourself in...

FUCK YOU, and your demands.

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-16   1:05:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: SJN (#18)

Bullcrap, plenty of people were angered at the patriot act on both sides of the aisle and unlike you who suck at the tit of any Government creep that has a D after their political name, we who are still members of the GOP have been trying to wrest control from the very people who have brought us all this tyranny. From the GOP TO THE DNC, those who have woke up understand that Government is not their friend!

Actually I just voted for Ron Paul in the California primary ..my third vote for him although I'm not happy about his stance on Citizens United. I remember what you thought of Ron Paul supporters during the last election cycle.

It seems you are now having to eat your words although your bitter, nasty rhetoric hasn't changed a bit.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-16   1:39:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#22)

Oh plz. You're such a poser.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-16   2:53:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Capitalist Eric (#15)

And why not? You're still using it.

I don't know if you're completely dead, yet... so far, necrosis appears to have manifested only above your neck.

I recommend amputation.

I can't use it because as I said before I turned in the equipment and got a receipt for it from ATT, stupid.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-16   10:47:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: SJN (#23)

Oh plz. You're such a poser.

LOL. Yep I Voted for Ron Paul. You and your fellow inquisitors were all over the Paul people last time out. I doubt you have really changed.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-16   10:50:33 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SJN (#19)

Good to see you red!! How's your son?

He is doing good, thanks for asking. How are you doing? If memory serves me, you are done with your treatments?

God Bless

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-05-16   12:13:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold (#22)

Actually I just voted for Ron Paul in the California primary ..my third vote for him although I'm not happy about his stance on Citizens United. I remember what you thought of Ron Paul supporters during the last election cycle.

It seems you are now having to eat your words although your bitter, nasty rhetoric hasn't changed a bit

I'm glad to hear it! Surprised as heck but delighted.

Yes, last election I was going along with the status quo. I don't mind eating crow and I don't find it intolerable to have made a mistake. When I make them I try to own up to them and hopefully grow a bit wiser.

If you find my rhetoric nasty or bitter, maybe it's from your own nasty and bitter angle.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-16   15:10:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#26)

I'm glad to hear he's doing well. I sure hope his treatments will be over soon. Poor little guy.

I'm over with mine and starting to feel much better. I do have neurapathy (sp?)in my hands and my feet. My feet are the worse. That is disappointing but, I'm alive and the Dr. says that the neuropathy may go away in a few months, so I'm hoping that is the case.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-16   15:14:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SJN (#28)

I do have neurapathy (sp?)in my hands and my feet.

Neuropathy can go away. My son went to a physical therapist for over two years now to work on his feet/ankles. He graduated last week so it can be overcome. I am sure as we get to adult age it becomes tougher but not impossible. So would recommend asking your doc for a referral to a physical therapist.

I am glad to hear you are done, but ensure you keep doing your follow ups until they declare you cancer free. That time frame is usually 18-24 months after your last treatment. At least that is what they told me for my son's ALL. He will continue his treatments until late 2013 then gets frequent check ups for another two years before they will call him cancer free. Again that is for leukemia which is a blood cancer, it may be different for you.

I will continue to keep you in prayer. We have not seen you on LP in some time and glad to have you back.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-05-16   15:33:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

You don't DESERVE anything from me, my wife or my family. I'd rather see you DEAD than hobble the futures of my kids.

3. If push comes to shove, I'll use force of arms to punctuate point #2.

This is a forum to have fun and debate issues. I know people make you mad sometimes or push your buttons. This isn't the place to make death threats. Just stick to debating.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-16   16:57:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-16   17:28:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter (#29)

He will continue his treatments until late 2013 then gets frequent check ups for another two years before they will call him cancer free. Again that is for leukemia which is a blood cancer, it may be different for you.

I will continue to keep you in prayer. We have not seen you on LP in some time and glad to have you back.

My Dr. has said nothing about needing physical therapy. I'll be sure to ask him about it. I'll keep praying for your son as well. I just can't imagine having to endure treatment for so long. I honestly don't believe I could. As a matter of fact, I have some spots in my lungs that the Dr. has been looking at periodically by way of CT scans. He doesn't think they are cancer, thank goodness, but keeping an eye on them anyway. But I've pretty much thought about the possibility of cancer coming back, etc. and I really don't think I'd go through treatment again. That's how hard I found it to be.

I haven't been on LP because Goldi banned me for being a supporter of Ron Paul. She banned me with out a word to me or acknowledgement that she did so. But she did. I find that appalling and am glad to be gone from a site that has an owner who won't tolerate an individuals support of a candidate she isn't for. It's absurd and completely un-American beyond a doubt. She talks about being Conservative yet can't tolerate another conservative that doesn't support the military industrial complex. She cares more about a foreign nation than she does this country. She ought to get the hell out, move there and stay out.

SJN  posted on  2012-05-17   10:48:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone, Lucysmom (#30) (Edited)

This is a forum to have fun and debate issues. I know people make you mad sometimes or push your buttons. This isn't the place to make death threats. Just stick to debating.

Eric is getting pretty obsessive lately, maybe he needs one of your patented time outs. Personally I'm tired of him stalking me and I'm sure Lucy is tired of him stalking her too.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-17   11:36:22 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SJN, GarySpFc, TooConservative (#32)

Wow, did not know you were banned from LP. There are so many Paul supporters there I am truly shocked she picked you out of the group. I will miss your posts on LP but will continue to check here on LF for your posts.

God Bless

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-05-17   12:31:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#34)

Wow, did not know you were banned from LP.

I still don't understand it.

What could SJN even say that remotely compared to what the Posse posts there every day?

TooConservative  posted on  2012-05-17   13:42:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)

3. If push comes to shove, I'll use force of arms to punctuate point #2.

You're a fucking asshole, Junior. Don't you DARE threaten her. You want a piece of someone, I'll pay for your flight and you can go after a man instead of a very sweet Sr. Citizen.

But the fact is, we both know that you're a simpering Keyboard Kommado that IF push ever came to shove you'd piss your pants and scream for Mommy...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-02   19:07:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#36)

You want a piece of someone, I'll pay for your flight and you can go after a man instead of a very sweet Sr. Citizen.

I'll take that offer.

I'll kick your fat ass from Staten Island to New Jersey.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-07-02   20:03:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Thunderbird (#37)

Game on.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-07-02   20:07:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Thunderbird (#37) (Edited)

Tell me where to send the ticket.

Is Columbus close enough?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-02   20:44:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Thunderbird (#37)

...your fat ass

You are one truly confused individual...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-02   20:50:34 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Capitalist Eric, lucysmom, mininggold, war, thunderbird (#40)

No need for anyone to threaten violence. Like any of you are going to follow through anyway. I should have read the thread closer way back when.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-02   21:14:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#41)

You threaten violence all the time and now you're trying the peacemaker act.

Give me a break.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-07-02   21:30:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Fred Mertz (#42)

Fred why don't you shut up or go away. Don't go away mad just go away.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-02   21:35:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

See ya, fuckwad. In the funny papers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-07-02   21:42:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Fred Mertz (#44)

In the funny papers.

Ok.

Here is some lyrics to a song.

Girl don't go away mad, girl just go away.

So don't get to upset.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-02   21:45:34 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Listen Stone..I'm getting tired of that FAT ASS Staten Island Fairy calling people out.

If he wants to pay my way to NYC to kick his ass..whats it to you?

Of course once he realizes I'm coming from California to deliver a personal George Zimmerman experience to his FAT ASS, maybe he'll reconsider his *theory* that I'm Badeye.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-07-02   22:20:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#39)

Tell me where to send the ticket.

Is Columbus close enough?

No it isn't fuckwit.

I'm gonna take a redeye from California..kick your FAT ASS silly..and go home.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-07-02   22:31:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Thunderbird (#47)

I'm gonna take a redeye from California..kick your FAT ASS silly..and go home.

Why don't you just go back to your home planet called TrueBlueShithole with Bob J discussing how GREAT he is to you? You need that sort of stuff everyday.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-07-02   22:45:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: All (#48)

F I G H T !!!!!

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-07-03   1:39:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Thunderbird (#47)

I'm gonna take a redeye from California..kick your FAT ASS silly..and go home.

I'll be here...

Should I buy scones?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-03   7:56:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Thunderbird (#46)

Of course once he realizes I'm coming from California to deliver a personal George Zimmerman experience to his FAT ASS, maybe he'll reconsider his *theory* that I'm Badeye.

It's not my *theory*, chickenlips.

Everyone knows it.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-03   7:57:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Thunderbird. A K A Stone (#46)

....to deliver a personal George Zimmerman experience to his FAT ASS

Meaning what, basslips?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-03   7:59:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mininggoldlucysmom, A K A Stone, Capitalist Eric, SJN, redleghunter, ALL (#33) (Edited)

"This is a forum to have fun and debate issues. I know people make you mad sometimes or push your buttons. This isn't the place to make death threats. Just stick to debating."

"Eric is getting pretty obsessive lately, maybe he needs one of your patented time outs. Personally I'm tired of him stalking me and I'm sure Lucy is tired of him stalking her too."

Debate this, Stone, when wishful thinking becomes 'death threats', then you will be just as guilty as Eric. Not that I care one way or the other, but you are constantly wishing death on other's for their beliefs and views. I'm not saying they're right, and you're wrong, but you are wrong to chastise Eric for what you do almost on a daily basis. Now, that said!

You're right about one thing though, you just don't realize how right you are. Minninggold and her pseudonym, lucysmom, are here solely to 'push buttons' and get reactions that could get intended targets 'timeout' and/or 'banned', and I see now, that is exactly what they are after here, to push any of your posters into a corner, then yell for you to make them go away.

TooConservative tried this trick a few days ago, you didn't fall for it, but this same scenerio is being played out by this teat sucking welfare biotch (and her alter ego, lucysmom), and you seem to be falling for it. jmho!

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-07-03   12:15:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Murron, A K A Stone, Capitalist Eric (#53)

Debate this, Stone, when wishful thinking becomes 'death threats', then you will be just as guilty as Eric. Not that I care one way or the other, but you are constantly wishing death on other's for their beliefs and views. I'm not saying their right, and you're wrong, but you are wrong to chastise Eric for what you do almost on a daily basis.

I have to second that motion.

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-07-03   12:31:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Murron (#53)

Agreed.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-03   13:27:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Stonie, I applaud your forum for keeping speech free. But I must give you a friendly reminder that even your forum is "snooped" upon by the Google masters. And we all know who they report to.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-03   14:57:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone (#56)

"I applaud your forum for keeping speech free. But I must give you a friendly reminder that even your forum is "snooped" upon by the Google masters. And we all know who they report to."

How can you 'applaud' free speech in one breath, then give a leftwingers wet dream of a veiled threat in the other? Everything is a 'threat' to those fked up A-holes, everything that is posted on this forum, and thousands like it, are a THREAT to any communist/marxist/socialist society, and the snoops that kiss their azzes!

Unless there has been a specific threat made towards a particular person, by a particular poster, or the owner himself, what particular part of the 'free speech' practiced here do you find offensive, or so dangerous you think the snoops can swoop in and get you?

Free Speech, it's a wonderful thing to have, use it, or lose it! Free Speech, coupled with Common Sense, is a smart thing to have, but no one is going to dictate, or threaten me with what part they don't like, unless they can prove in a court of law, criminal intent. JMHO!

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-07-03   15:32:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Murron (#57)

There are ways to shut off the Google snooping. Such measures are used on other forums.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-03   15:58:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Murron, AKA Stone (#53)

You're right about one thing though, you just don't realize how right you are. Minninggold and her pseudonym, lucysmom, are here solely to 'push buttons' and get reactions that could get intended targets 'timeout' and/or 'banned', and I see now, that is exactly what they are after here, to push any of your posters into a corner, then yell for you to make them go away.

Unless he banned them they haven't posted here in about 6 weeks, and my how nice and quiet it is around here without their inane chatter....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-03   17:25:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#50)

Should I buy scones?

Only if you're planning to bribe some queer from South Ferry station to be your "bodyguard" tubby.

You're going to need something...

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-07-03   18:37:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Thunderbird (#60) (Edited)

Only if you're planning to bribe some queer from South Ferry station to be your "bodyguard" tubby.

I love that somehow somewhere someone played you for a sucker, Boofer.

You're going to need something...

I already have the lawyer...and my neighbor is a judge...

See you soon?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-03   21:10:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Capitalist Eric (#55)

And you should apologize to lucysmom, assdick.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-07-03   21:12:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


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