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Title: Wikipedia Deletes President Obama’s New Marxist Campaign Slogan Link (Forward) to Socialists
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/4992/w ... ist-campaign-slogan-reference/
Published: May 3, 2012
Author: Gary DeMar
Post Date: 2012-05-03 07:34:29 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 7491
Comments: 98

Wikipedia Deletes President Obama’s New Marxist Campaign Slogan Link to Socialist/Communists

Gary DeMar

Update: Yesterday I began to write the article below in the early afternoon. The Wikipedia article where I got some of the information included “Forward (Obama-Biden Campaign Slogan)” and the use of “Forward” by numerous socialist and communist groups. The reference to “generic name of socialist publications” has been removed (PDF of original “Forward” Wikipedia page here. A BIG ‘thank you’ to loyal reader Ken for sending this to us). Now the Wiki article includes this message:

“This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia’s deletion policy.”

The Progressives adopted the slogan “Forward” a long time ago. For example, there was the campaign slogan and poster “Forward with Roosevelt” (1936) and P.J. O’Brien’s book title of the same name. The arguments for Roosevelt’s new programs were borrowed from the socialist policies of the German Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck. The National Socialists in Germany also used Bismarck’s social theories for the construction of their social security system. Hitler remarks in Mein Kampf, “I studied Bismarck’s socialist legislation in its intention, struggle and success.”

Bismarck said that “the State must take the matter in hand, since the State can most easily supply the requisite funds. It must provide them not as alms but in fulfillment of the workers’ right to look to the State where their own good will can achieve nothing more.” Roosevelt and his admirers agreed. O’Brien, writing in Forward with Roosevelt, links Bismarck’s social policies with those of Roosevelt: “[The quotation by Bismarck] might have been lifted out of a speech by President Roosevelt in 1936, but the Iron Chancellor uttered it in 1871.”

“Hope and Change” was the campaign slogan of President Obama’s 2008 campaign. The 2012 campaign moniker is “Forward.” Many Americans would add “. . . Off a Cliff.” Obama’s colors may be showing . . . the color red. Fox News reports the following:

“The Obama campaign apparently didn’t look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, ‘Forward’ — a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.

“Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name ‘Forward!’ or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called ‘Forward (generic name of socialist publications).’

“The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications,’ the online encyclopedia explains.

“The slogan ‘Forward!’ reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism.”

The radical left-wing publication Vorwaerts (the German word for “Forward”) was a clearing house for German revolutionary socialist groups. Karl Marx began to write for it in 1844.

The ‘Great Leap Forward’ was an economic and social campaign of the Communist Party of China led by Mao Zedong.

I suspect that President Obama’s handlers will link the “Forward” campaign slogan to Roosevelt and dismiss the Marxist links. “If it was good enough for FDR,” they’ll probably say, “then it’s good enough for BHO.”

President Obama’s former associates and intellectual mentors – from Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers to Derrick Bell and Frank Marshall Davis and his own father and mother — were Marxists of one kind or another.

Then there is Anita Dunn, a political strategist who served as White House Communications Director from April through November 2009 with the Obama administration. She said the following in 2009:

“The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse-tung and Mother Theresa — not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point which is ‘you’re going to make choices; you’re going to challenge; you’re going to say why not; you’re going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before.”

Of course, when Dunn was criticized for claiming the mass murdering dictator as one of her “political heroes,” like so many liberals, she said stated that her reference was meant to be “ironic” and that she borrowed the quotation from Republican strategist Lee Atwater (1951–1991). Like her boss at the time, she blamed Bush, that is, George H. W. Bush since Atwater was an advisor to the elder Bush and Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Can you imagine what would have happened if someone in either Bush administration had said that Adolf Hitler was one of his heroes and then used the excuse that he was only being “ironic”?

If President Obama is re-elected, the social and economic forces of Marxism will be unleashed because he will no longer have to worry about the next election. Four more years of this committed Marxist could do irreparable harm to our economy and institutions.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

“The slogan ‘Forward!’ reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism.”

The liberal mind is a crazy house wall paper of endless epicycles !

Einstein confessed ... unable to come up with a unified theory --- that relativity was a hoax !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-05-03   9:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Funny on how you silly swift boating types forget Wisconsin's state motto "Forward."

Reflecting Wisconsin's continuous drive to be a national leader, the state adopted "Forward" as the official state motto in 1851.

Wiki is an entity many can change. So if something has been changed in Wiki, that does not mean anything lkke this hit piece contends it does.

It shows how desperate people are to keep Swift Boating people they don't like; that's it.

President Obama recently spoke with a Wisconsin flag as background and some Republicans mistook the flag as a Union symbol and screamed about him speaking in front of this communistic union symbol not realizing until later this was a state flag.

Opps. It was this mistake I read about in the news recently that brings this to mind. It is much ado about nothing, because Obama is neither a socialist, a non citizen, or a non- Christian except in some people's slander attempts.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-03   9:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

It is also a fact that Wisconsin's state bird is the Robin when the projected survival rate of a Robin in Wisconsin is about 4 minutes by the time the hawks and crows notice that little red breast.

That said, Wiki is not my choice for a reference bible. I prefer MAD Magazine.

Happy May Day, Mike.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-04   7:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: harrowup (#3)

May Day was my day of freedom from eLPee. I posted a thread about the xenophobic border Nazis called the Minutemen, and Sally banned me. Time's discussion board historically also died a few years earlier in this time frame, and JimRob banned my 'Ferret' account in very early May that same year.

I always have a happy May Day, it's the watching out for the sociopath trying to stick a may Pole up my ass in regards to my posting world historically in this time period I hate. That and I get another year older this month.

Here I thought I'd die at the hands of a jealous husband or boyfriend escaping from their lady friend's bed in the middle of the night by the time I was thirty five and here I am about to turn 58. Life can be cruel and even take a long time in doing so.

Well, at least there is always the hot and steamy days of June to take my mind off of what May does to me.

I'll probably die an old man stepping in front of a bus on April's Fool's Day daydreaming about how much I don't like the month coming up with my luck.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-04   10:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

Funny on how you silly swift boating types forget Wisconsin's state motto "Forward."

We all know that the motto of all good conservatives everywhere is..."backward". All the way to Attila the Hun or maybe just the last inquisition. The return to legal sweatshops manned by children would be another of their 'worthy' goals.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-04   11:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#5) (Edited)

Forward to the GOPers means letting Mitt know he's their mutt by making him get rid of the staffer who knows how to color coordinate properly.

Forward means getting the newly nominated pet in his kennel and on the roof of the car in time for the perilous drive through the mine field of a presidential contest safely without anyone seeing the poop streaks dripping off the back of the vehicle.

Forward scares them, and with Mitt as their Mutt, small wonder that it does.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-04   11:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

I posted a thread about the xenophobic border Nazis called the Minutemen, and Sally banned me.

GOOD for her! Who said she doesn't get it right once in a while?

JimRob banned my 'Ferret' account in very early May that same year.

Maybe you should go back to your socialist forums, since REAL Americans recognize you for the idiot you are.

Here I thought I'd die at the hands of a jealous husband or boyfriend escaping from their lady friend's bed in the middle of the night by the time I was thirty five and here I am about to turn 58. Life can be cruel and even take a long time in doing so.

You should be so lucky. You'll probably die of a heart-attack, while jogging in a spandex suit. Rainbow-colored, no less.

And when a crowd comes up, they're gonna' look at you, and say "Holy CRAP, Lenny's dead!"

on April's Fool's Day ...

Yeah, that would be MOST appropriate. Not many people have a day named after them.


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Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
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Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-04   12:03:19 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

Here I thought I'd die at the hands of a jealous husband or boyfriend escaping from their lady friend's bed in the middle of the night by the time I was thirty five and here I am about to turn 58. Life can be cruel and even take a long time in doing so.

Hmmm. I never gave much thought to my chances until I reached 70.

When I was eighteen, everyone thought I was an altar boy.

When I was thirty-five most folks wondered why somebody hadn't iced me long before; they thought I was an insufferable plick.

When I was fifty, I was an insufferable plick.

Stick around and just don't go out on April 1st.

As my greatly lamented uncle said, Drink until you can't walk; no pedestrian has ever been killed who is too drunk to walk.

P. S. It looks like Capitalist Erica has the hots for you.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   12:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: harrowup (#8)

Hmmm. I never gave much thought to my chances until I reached 70.

When I was eighteen, everyone thought I was an altar boy.

When I was thirty-five most folks wondered why somebody hadn't iced me long before; they thought I was an insufferable plick.

When I was fifty, I was an insufferable plick.

Hey Admiral! Give it up! You are still an insufferable PRICK at 75 years of age. To use an ol' cliché, "you can't teach ol' dogs new tricks." Now, get out back in the barn an play with your goats.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   12:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

I'm not 75 and the goats aren't in the barn but thank you for playing.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   12:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: harrowup (#10)

There is always something to say about your highly esteemed career on the Internet, Admiral. And I want to thank you for the corrections. Now get over to the goat room in your home and play with the goats. Also, you are 75.5 years of age.

It makes sense, too. You are a medical doctor. You are a legal mind to the US Supreme Court. You are a US Navy Admiral. And beyond else, you are the legal counselor to the failing LP yukon bumfuck club. That extra 6 months added to your chronological age adds tremendous supporting information about your "career."

Once again, thank you for the corrections.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   12:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

You are a legal mind to the US Supreme Court. You are a US Navy Admiral. And beyond else, you are the legal counselor to the failing LP yukon bumfuck club.

Still wrong. There is a difference between a forensic psychiatrist and a lawyer and just because Admirals reported to me did not make me an Admiral and since I am not a lawyer I don't give legal advice to LP anymore than I do myself.

I know you wish LP would fail. I know you have tried your best to make that possible.

I also know that you and calcon and war and hondo and others have failed.

And I am still not 75 or 75.5.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   13:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: harrowup (#12)

I know you have tried your best to make that possible.

This is not true, Admiral. The best is yet to come. I am going to ... get your goat.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   13:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo, Murron (#13)

The best is yet to come. I am going to ... get your goat.

I think Murron mentioned somewhere that you are a washed up drunk. I differ there in that your low self-esteem and posturing will not allow you to escape your alcohol induced stupor.

Add to that the fact that as a dyslexic you lack the communication skills necessary to give credence to your pathetic boasts, let alone get anyone's goat.

Especially mine. Showed them a picture of you on horseback and they were laughing so hard it took three days to get them back to work.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   14:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: harrowup (#14)

I think Murron mentioned somewhere that you are a washed up drunk.

Following that ol' hillbilly around up dere in dem dere hills shall get you nowhere unless you want to meet up with her incestuous family.

... get anyone's goat.

Yes. I have gotten yours for years, Admiral. Of course, unlike you and your crowd of fawning queer pricks, I rarely post which categorically proves that you are about to enjoy an all new vista of Internet life because of your LP goatherd. And with yukon wearing his dongle on a day to day stampede against common sense, you quite simply put, can not compete although you are slated for some awesome fun.

But, it is all your problem admiral, anyway. It is not mine. You are just a toy to me on occasional evenings and weekends. BTW, I am wondering what is in store for your evening viewing pleasure this evening being the weekend and all over at LP.

Showed them a picture of you on horseback and they were laughing so hard it took three days to get them back to work.

Awww. You are such a gracious Admiral, too. Is yukon still beating off? And are you licking his spurtous eruptus, as is usual?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   15:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#15)

...red tipped gibberish...

You probably need to put a cork in it bucky, before you fall on your jackelope breeder.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   18:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: harrowup (#16)

You can't mention Hank's monicker. You aren't a man suggesting Hank's monicker; you are an ACLU twirp that Hank & I fought against. Admiral, why don't you just cast off and abandon ship as you are used to performing? Your pals at Gilligan's Island await you.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   18:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#17)

...denial gibberish...

So it' true. 'Hank' was top and Booby Bobby was bottom.

That shall be your new nick: Bottom Booby Bobby.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   18:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: harrowup (#18)

What the fuck are you posting now? Do you make this crap up as you go? Why not get down on all four knees a suck yukon with your lips? That way, you could remove all the questions surrounding your oath of allegiance.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   18:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#19)

Do you make this crap up as you go?

Why yes; it gets you angry.

None-the-less, the rumors about what 'Hank' was breeding, does require some clarification.

So, you were a bottom; that's still better than pink slime and hondope.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   19:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: harrowup (#20)

Admiral -- seriously, it is time for you to go play in the bathtub, again. Grab your USS Minnow model an watch your own bathtub farts all on your own.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-05   19:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

...bathtub farts...

Ah, you still take baths. How quaint. How unsanitary. How wasteful.

That may explain why you smell.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-05   19:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: harrowup, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#20)

dope.

You getting a buzz off of smoking that goat dung?


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-05-05   19:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: harrowup (#20)

Why yes; it gets you angry.

None-the-less, the rumors about what 'Hank' was breeding, does require some clarification.

Since Hank is dead it looks like you will never know. Maybe you should stick to those who are living and able to defend themselves from your slander.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-06   1:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#24)

Maybe you should stick to those who are living and able to defend themselves from your slander.

Over the years there has been one sure way to shut bucky up and that is bringing up Jackelope Breeder who was a bigot and blowhard who can't be slandered.

But, as a bigot yourself, you already know that.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   6:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: harrowup, buckeroo, *Border Invasion* (#25)

one sure way to shut bucky up and that is bringing up Jackelope Breeder who was a bigot and blowhard

You're a lying sack of shit, a traitorous reconquista community organizer, and a bigoted racist cracka. Buzz off back to Aztlan.

Hank was a great patriotic American. I knew him from working with the Minutemen in Arizona.

May he rest in peace.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-05-06   7:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#26)

What a surprise. A bigot defending another bigot. Get bent.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   7:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: harrowup (#27)

What a surprise. A bigot defending another bigot. Get bent.

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We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   9:13:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: harrowup, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#27)

another bigot

Nigga Please !


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-05-06   9:20:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68 (#29)

Nigga Please !

LMAO!

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   9:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: We The People (#30)

All these years being bored by your anal compulsions I never took you for a racist and a bigot.

Not a compliment.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   13:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: harrowup (#31)

All these years being bored by your anal compulsions I never took you for a racist and a bigot.

That would be the one correct assumption I've seen you make.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   13:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: harrowup (#25) (Edited)

Over the years there has been one sure way to shut bucky up and that is bringing up Jackelope Breeder who was a bigot and blowhard who can't be slandered.

But, as a bigot yourself, you already know that.

Being a bigot is just human nature. Jews, especially those favoring a foreign country tend to have the practice down to a science.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-06   13:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: harrowup (#14)

"Especially mine. Showed them a picture of you on horseback and they were laughing so hard it took three days to get them back to work."

I've seen pics of him, alcohol took over his depraved mind long before then, and his senility and lapses into depravity has been in fast forward ever since.

He's never gotten 'my goat', but his twisted, sick imagnination has gotten better at attacking my family...I think his warped thinking says more about him, than it does about me.

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-05-06   13:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: harrowup (#18)

I didn't know this Hank that you all speak of, but what I do know is that speaking ill of a person's deceased friend is an exceptionally lowlife, low rent thing to do.

I have to say though, I'm not that surprised that you would do such a thing.

Does this mean that your deceased parents are also fair play? Perhaps a deceased sibling?

I wouldn't stoop that low personally, but others may want to fight fire with fire.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   13:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: We The People, A K A Stone (#35)

"I didn't know this Hank that you all speak of, but what I do know is that speaking ill of a person's deceased friend is an exceptionally lowlife, low rent thing to do."

I agree. Especially since they can't defend themselves.

Stone recently spoke ill of my son whom he does not know and has never posted in here, and that was a low brow thing that spoke volumes about Stone's immaturity.

I might add though, you caused me grief today when I was at new Day bakery and using my laptop. Really dude, though that was a humorous graphic of Liz Cheney, I couldn't display that thread while wifi-ing. I was sharing a common table with a woman and her two kids.

I had to quickly scroll away from the penis graphic for the sake of her two kids.

Think about what you are posting and where please. Thank you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-06   14:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: We The People (#35)

Weeps, nothing you write makes an impression on anyone that I know.

I don't take advice from bigots like you and mingpow.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   14:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Murron (#34)

They all fake their 'christian' mores.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   14:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

"...speaking ill of a person's deceased friend is an exceptionally lowlife, low rent thing to do."

I agree. Especially since they can't defend themselves.

They weren't friends. They were KKK wannabees with all hat and no cattle.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, Mike, that both LP & LF are home to a very large collection of racists and bigots from all sides of the spectrum.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   15:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: harrowup (#39)

"They weren't friends. They were KKK wannabees with all hat and no cattle."

Don't fret, I was banned from eLPee for posting a particularly nasty anti-Minuteman article.

I don't like the group, but prefer to use a generic approach that at best can include confronting current members.

I'm also against political grudgings based on what a person's belief was. This forum's management likes to needle people on whom they have voted for in the past for example.

That is a practice that is the kiss of death for any sort of process that leads people to find common ground on issue and for coalition building.

My comment is predicated more on the concept of a greater degree of political politesse and courtesy then we see these days.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-06   15:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#40)

Fuck 'em.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   15:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: harrowup (#41)

"Pour les vaincre, messieurs, il nous faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace et la Patrie sera sauvée!"

-- the French revolutionary leader Danton

("To defeat them, gentlemen, we need audacity, still more audacity, and audacity forever, and the Fatherland will be saved!")

Is this the spirit of your two word answer? ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-06   15:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#42)

Is this the spirit of your two word answer? ;-)

No; I'm happier with McAuliffe's Nuts

Which was expanded upon by the Colonel presenting the message to the Germans:

"If you don't know what 'Nuts' means, in plain English it is the same as 'Go to Hell'. And I'll tell you something else, if you continue to attack we will kill every goddam German that tries to break into this city."

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   16:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: harrowup (#43)

"Is this the spirit of your two word answer?"

No; I'm happier with McAuliffe's Nuts Which was expanded upon by the Colonel presenting the message to the Germans:

"If you don't know what 'Nuts' means, in plain English it is the same as 'Go to Hell'. And I'll tell you something else, if you continue to attack we will kill every goddam German that tries to break into this city."

General Anthony McAuliffe! I like his quote, at least you didn't feel the need to go outside of America to find a similar quote by a brave revolutionist, of which our nation is famous for many like him. jmho!

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-05-06   16:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Think about what you are posting and where please. Thank you.

My apologies.

Your point is well taken.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   16:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: harrowup (#37)

Weeps, nothing you write makes an impression on anyone that I know.

And yet you're drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   16:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: harrowup (#43)

Ah yes, Bastogne, response to surrender demands; this was a part of the chronology of Battle of the Bulge which was the Germans last big effort to reverse their bad fortunes in World War II.

Having been a paratrooper, there is no way I would not know what you are talking about.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-06   17:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: We The People (#35)

I wouldn't stoop that low personally, but others may want to fight fire with fire.

I've seen some of the hits and low blows rf396 takes on elPee mainly from FireIsland - disgraceful. rf396 admitted he's terminal and he's at peace with it. He is an entertaining guy to read when I read over there.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-06   17:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Fred Mertz (#48)

I've seen some of the hits and low blows rf396 takes on elPee mainly from FireIsland - disgraceful.

GrandIdiot is disgraceful. No redeeming value in that one.

rf396 admitted he's terminal and he's at peace with it.

I didn't know that. He's a good guy too. I feel for him and his family.

GI will come to his end one day, and I still don't wish anything as bad as what he gives to others on him.

I would like to break some bones in his face though.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   18:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: harrowup (#37)

I don't take advice from bigots like you and mingpow.

See, you always did have a comprehension problem.

I wasn't giving advice, I was asking a question.

"Does this mean that your deceased parents are also fair play? Perhaps a deceased sibling?"

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   18:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: We The People (#49)

GI will come to his end one day, and I still don't wish anything as bad as what he gives to others on him. I would like to break some bones in his face though.

DITTO! Fate has a way of taking care of his kind, he will get his in time. ;)

"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"

Murron  posted on  2012-05-06   19:07:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: We The People (#50)

I wasn't giving advice, I was asking a question.

Nah, you were trying to make a point without convicting yourself in that sniveling toady attitude of a permanent non-achiever.

If you were really asking a question you would have shut up with the answer which you either ignored or didn't understand.

Once again, you bore me.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   21:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Fred Mertz (#48)

GrandIsland told him he was sorry for his condition, as did I.

Did you read about the murder at Churchill Downs?

Not connected to racing they say? Yeah, that and free mint juleps.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-06   21:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: harrowup (#53)

Did you read about the murder at Churchill Downs?

Yes. Damage control is correct. Maybe we'll hear more about it but probably not much.

I'm trying to find details about the jockey Robby Albarado incident but there are very little additional ones.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-06   22:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: harrowup (#53)

The dead man was a groom at the backside of Churchill Downs. An altercation that got out of hand. No suspect yet, but I'm sure one will be identified. Everyone knows everyone else on the backside.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-06   23:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Fred Mertz (#55)

Everyone knows everyone else on the backside.

I had never heard that term before. I always thought the grooms stayed with the horses in the stables. Too many TV shows and not enough ground knowledge. I thought the trainer was more than callous in his remarks.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-07   8:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: harrowup (#52)

I wasn't giving advice, I was asking a question.

Nah, you were trying to make a point without convicting yourself in that sniveling toady attitude of a permanent non-achiever.

If you were really asking a question you would have shut up with the answer which you either ignored or didn't understand.

Once again, you bore me.

Soooooo, is that a yes or a no?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-07   18:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: harrowup (#52)

If you were really asking a question you would have shut up with the answer which you either ignored or didn't understand.

There was no answer, you disgusting leftist idiot. Here is my question regarding your disgusting, shameless, childish and petty taunting of a person using their DEAD FRIEND as your ammo...

"Does this mean that your deceased parents are also fair play? Perhaps a deceased sibling?"

And here is your idiotic response...

Weeps, nothing you write makes an impression on anyone that I know.

I don't take advice from bigots like you and mingpow.

That is NOT an answer to my question. And for you to imply that there was an answer, and that maybe I didn't understand it, is as ridiculous a CT as you've ever hatched.

Now, answer my question you disgusting piece of filth, does this mean that your deceased parents are also fair play? Perhaps a deceased sibling?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-07   22:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)

Are you going to allow this filthy piece of shit to come over here from LP and taunt your forum regulars using their deceased friend as his ammo?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-07   22:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: We The People (#59)

Haven't been following the conversation. What specifically do you object to?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-07   23:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone, We The People (#60)

What specifically do you object to?

The drama queen doesn't like an answer because it insulted his intelligence and so he is having a hissy fit.

The fact that the issue was none of his business escapes his feeble mind.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-07   23:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#60)

I specifically object to this piece of shit using the death of a friend of some of your regulars to taunt them.

It's your forum and you will do as you will, but I firmly believe in taking out the trash, especially when it starts to stink the place up.

Especially the ACLU, abortion (procedure) performing leftist filth who would use the death of another human being to taunt the deceased man's friends.

There is no lower form of human being on this planet.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   6:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: harrowup (#61)

The drama queen doesn't like an answer because it insulted his intelligence and so he is having a hissy fit.

The fact that the issue was none of his business escapes his feeble mind.

Do what you do best, and lie your fucking ass off, you disgusting piece of shit.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   6:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: harrowup, A K A Stone, (#61)

The drama queen doesn't like an answer because it insulted his intelligence and so he is having a hissy fit.

The fact that the issue was none of his business escapes his feeble mind.

I wasn't even in on the conversation, liar, and I can prove that what you just posted to the owner of this forum was an outright lie. I have an idea... why don't you supply us a link to the 'answer' that I didn't like. Or should I? Should I supply all of them?

Or better yet, just be a man and tell the fucking truth and admit that you use the death of another human being to taunt that mans friends on this forum.

I expect that you'll not only NOT post the link, but you'll continue to lie your ass off. Let's see what happens, shall we?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   7:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: We The People, Harrowup (#64)

r better yet, just be a man and tell the fucking truth and admit that you use the death of another human being to taunt that mans friends on this forum.

Without going back and reading the thread. How about this. No death taunts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-08   7:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

No death taunts.

Agreed.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   7:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: harrowup, A K A Stone, mininggold, buckeroo, hondo68 (#64)

What the hell, I'll just put it out there, because I KNOW that you won't.

It starts right here... libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=29868&Disp=16#C16 where you use a the death of a friend of some of this forums regulars to insult now only a regular here but also the deceased man.

harrowup: You probably need to put a cork in it bucky, before you fall on your jackelope breeder.

buckeroo: You can't mention Hank's monicker. You aren't a man suggesting Hank's monicker; you are an ACLU twirp that Hank & I fought against.

harrowup: So it' true. 'Hank' was top and Booby Bobby was bottom.

That shall be your new nick: Bottom Booby Bobby.

buckeroo:What the fuck are you posting now? Do you make this crap up as you go?

And here, you ADMIT that you're making up lies about a dead man and WHY you're dong it.

harrowup: Why yes; it gets you angry.

Then mininggold comes in: Since Hank is dead it looks like you will never know. Maybe you should stick to those who are living and able to defend themselves from your slander.

Here you are calling the deceased friend a bigot and a blowhard, and even admitting that you've done this before.

harrowup: Over the years there has been one sure way to shut bucky up and that is bringing up Jackelope Breeder who was a bigot and blowhard who can't be slandered.

hondo68: You're a lying sack of shit, a traitorous reconquista community organizer, and a bigoted racist cracka. Buzz off back to Aztlan.

Hank was a great patriotic American. I knew him from working with the Minutemen in Arizona.

May he rest in peace.

NOW WHERE EXACTLY WAS I IN THAT CONVERSATION, YOU FUCKING LIAR?!?

I didn't come in till later.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   7:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: We The People (#67)

NOW WHERE EXACTLY WAS I IN THAT CONVERSATION, YOU FUCKING LIAR?!?

I already mentioned it was none of your business, but your inner drama queen came out and you tried to make some points.

You didn't and apparently that has you unglued.

Get over it sonny.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   7:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: harrowup, A K A Stone (#66)

Without going back and reading the thread. How about this. No death taunts.

Agreed.

Looks like evil wins again.

Be proud. Celebrate.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   7:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: We The People (#69)

Celebrate.

Why not; your meltdown was classic.

It is good to be King.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   7:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: We The People, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#69)

Do what you do best, and lie your fucking ass off, you disgusting piece of shit.

evil wins again.

+1

The skipper hasn't won anything, everyone with any sense now knows that he's a lying POS, if they didn't before.

The ACLU goat psychiatrist lost.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-05-08   10:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: hondo68 (#71)

Put some ice on it, tubby.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   11:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: harrowup (#70)

My meltdown? LOL!

You mean how I exposed you for the lying, disgusting, petty piece of filth that you are?

How that conversation is there, now and forever, probably read by everyone who reads this forum, without question showing you not only using a deceased man as ammo, but sniveling and lying your ass off about it to the owner of the forum?

If you wanna call that a meltdown, have at it. I'll call it, "successful"! ;o)

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   19:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#71)

The skipper hasn't won anything

No, he didn't. He couldn't win an argument with himself, let alone another human being. But evil did win, make no mistake. If it's still here and still is able to spread it's filth, it won.

everyone with any sense now knows that he's a lying POS, if they didn't before.

His MO hasn't changed one bit has it? He is a chronic liar and always has been.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   19:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: We The People (#73)

Take a bow; it was a boffo performance for a drama queen in drag.

We shall laugh.

It is good to be king.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   19:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: harrowup, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#75)

good to be king.

Queen of the short bus, more like it.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

hondo68  posted on  2012-05-08   19:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: hondo68 (#76)

So it's true you were boarded over 69, not 68, is that right?

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   19:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: harrowup (#75) (Edited)

We shall laugh.

Who is we? Or..... is it just you and you just can't stop lying?

It is good to be king.

Are you really King? King of what? Or are you just spewing bullshit?

LOL! Do you even know the difference anymore?

Are you even aware that everything you say is absolute bullshit? Every post you make has no substance, no truth and no redeeming value. It's just constant bullshit, lies and taunting of other posters.

Didn't you just post to me that you were tired of the bullshit, even YOUR OWN?

Then days later you're using a dead man as ammo and lying your ass off. You truly are pathetic.

And you somehow believe you've won something? LOL!

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   19:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: We The People (#78)

And you somehow believe you've won something? LOL!

Actually, he accomplished *exactly* what he intended: distract from the thread.

From The 25 Rules of Disinformation [The Leftist Play-book Exposed],

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left- wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

These are the standard tactics he/she/it keeps coming back to... and you fall for it.

The goal of the disinformationalist is to distract/derail the thread.

When you keep bringing them back to the subject, and expect them to support their claims, they scatter like roaches.

Easiest thing in the world.


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-Baghdad Bri-bri-

LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-08   19:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: harrowup (#75)

Take a bow; it was a boffo performance for a drama queen in drag.

It WAS a great performance! I didn't lie, I didn't bullshit, I stated facts and truth, and NOTHING BUT! Thank you for the applause. ;o)

You, otoh, you lied your ass off and EVERYONE knows it! It was proven! And it's there forever. LOL!

You should take a bow also. I couldn't have done it without having a lying, filthy, disgusting piece of trash to expose!

If it makes you feel any better, I will admit to the drama queen aspect of my performance. But, it got EVERYONE to read it! LOLOL!

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   19:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: We The People (#80)

Nah, you are so wrapped up in your ego that you can't recognize when you've made a fool of yourself let alone admit I warned you what you were walking into.

However, if it makes you sleep better, you better look up sarcasm.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   20:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: harrowup (#81)

Don't cry.

Just stop your imbecilic behavior, like using a dead man as ammo against the dead man's friends, the lying and the constant stream of bullshit and I promise I won't hurt you any more.

Now go away, I'm reading.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   20:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: harrowup (#81)

One last note... 399 views on this thread!

Any other threads on LF with that many views? OK, now you may go.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   20:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: We The People (#83)

399 views of you falling apart and proving you can't think straight?

You must be so proud.

Professional advice: Start working on your real world.

Sorry, I just can't stop laughing.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   20:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: harrowup (#84)

399 views of you falling apart and proving you can't think straight?

You must be so proud.

Professional advice: Start working on your real world.

Sorry, I just can't stop laughing.

Poor thing is down to counting 'page views' now, eh?

Won't be long now...nope

{{{chuckle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-05-08   20:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: harrowup, Chuckles (#85)

Awwwwwwwwwww, it's always so cute when you leftists try to come to each others rescue!

LMAO!

Two beat up leftists clinging to each other in a storm!

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   20:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: We The People (#86)

Two beat up leftists clinging to each other in a storm!

Brian S is just feeling his oats over you ragging on him for his day to day games of MANY threads and few posts.

The scum bucket, harrowup, shall receive his some fun on his homepage LP for fucking around. In fact, he already is and has.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-08   21:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeroo (#87)

Brian S is just feeling his oats over you ragging on him

I think the storm blew sand in his vagina.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   21:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: We The People (#88)

Brian S is not a leftist. Like a lot of us, he has a way of pushing folks buttons. But that scum bucket, harrowup, is the most vile POS that a whale ever pooped. He is the lowest POS at the bottom of the ocean.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-08   21:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: buckeroo (#89)

Brian S is not a leftist.

What would you call a man who openly states on a political forum that he is "Whole Hog" for Obama?

He's not a leftist? Are you sure about that?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: We The People (#90)

He likes to piss off the emotional GOPers that are statist pigs; you know the ones that tow the Grand Ol' Party line (which changes daily).

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-08   21:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: buckeroo, Brian S (#91)

I would have sworn that he told me he was a pro 2A democrat, but I'll be damned if I can find that post now.

Brian, am I wrong?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-08   21:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Brian S (#85)

"Professional advice: Start working on your real world. Sorry, I just can't stop laughing."

Poor thing is down to counting 'page views' now, eh?

Won't be long now...nope

Amazing how insecure the silly little twit is. All that bluster and such a potty mouth and all he wants to know is whether he has an audience.

I tried to give him some good advice and get serious about the real world since he ain't making here in his fantasy world.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-08   22:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: harrowup (#93)

I tried to give him some good advice and get serious about the real world

LOL! You are a chronic liar. You just can't stop lying! That entire sentence is a LIE and you know it!

What you 'tried' to do was use the death of another human being against his friends. Then when it was pointed out you even agreed to never do it again.

What you tried to do after I pointed it out was to LIE about it to the forum owner, but were exposed in that too. He even made a new rule, which you "agreed" to! LMAO!

You are welcome to live your fantasy, and if your past psychotic behavior is an indicator I'm sure you will, but a fantasy it is, none the less. Everyone witnessed your despicable behavior and many even commented on it. The self proclaimed Emporer has no clothes AND a tiny penis! LOLOL!

Putting your fingers in your ears and repeating "na-na-na-na" does not make it go away, no matter how long or loud you do it.

You would have been better off if you had said, "I WUZ HACKED"!

Saying, "I tried to give him some good advice and get serious" is just another extremely feeble lie on top of a pile of lies.

I'll tell you what counselor, I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself. Since ONE OF US IS LYING, why don't you point out where I have lied in this?

I'll tell you why you won't, because you can't!

Live with it bitch! LOL!

We The People  posted on  2012-05-09   7:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: We The People (#94)

"Live with it bitch! LOL!"

Amazing how insecure the silly little twit is. All that bluster and such a potty mouth ...

Oh, my sides, tops, bottoms and in-betweens. You just don't know when your bombast is counterproductive.

Try that black/gay style in the real world sometime today and get back to us as soon as you're out of the hospital.

It is to laugh...and laugh...and laugh...and laugh.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-09   9:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: harrowup (#95) (Edited)

Oh, my sides, tops, bottoms and in-betweens. You just don't know when your bombast is counterproductive.

Try that black/gay style in the real world sometime today and get back to us as soon as you're out of the hospital.

It is to laugh...and laugh...and laugh...and laugh.

Typical democrat retard, emotional sfb post.

Completely irrelevant, no substance, no truth, no facts, just unending bullshit. You gloss over the substance of the post completely, which AGAIN exposes you for the POS that you are, and focus on the one word that your limited intellect actually understood.

Face it democrat, bullshit is all you have. You may go now.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-09   18:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: We The People (#96)

You gloss over the substance of the post completely,...

The 'substance' of your failure is simple. Your tiara is way too tight.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-09   20:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: harrowup (#53) (Edited)

GrandIsland told him (rf396 on elPee) he was sorry for his condition, as did I.

GrandIsland used to ridicule rf396 about dying - saying things like 'oh, you're still alive today' etc. I'm sure it was his sick way of joking around. I'm glad GI finally said something nice to him.

I just did a search on rf396 at elPee and his last post was on May 7. I think that's a bad sign as he was fairly active over there. He was at peace with his condition and I am glad for that.

Edit: On the other hand he could be on vacation. I shouldn't be such a pessimist. Plus, he never let GI get under his skin. I enjoyed reading rf396's grouchy and grumpy posting style.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-19   14:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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