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Title: The third industrial revolution
Source: The Economist
URL Source: http://www.economist.com/node/21553017
Published: Apr 22, 2012
Author: The Economist
Post Date: 2012-04-22 17:36:56 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 6846
Comments: 81

The digitisation of manufacturing will transform the way goods are made—and change the politics of jobs too

THE first industrial revolution began in Britain in the late 18th century, with the mechanisation of the textile industry. Tasks previously done laboriously by hand in hundreds of weavers’ cottages were brought together in a single cotton mill, and the factory was born. The second industrial revolution came in the early 20th century, when Henry Ford mastered the moving assembly line and ushered in the age of mass production. The first two industrial revolutions made people richer and more urban. Now a third revolution is under way. Manufacturing is going digital. As this week’s special report argues, this could change not just business, but much else besides.

A number of remarkable technologies are converging: clever software, novel materials, more dexterous robots, new processes (notably three-dimensional printing) and a whole range of web-based services. The factory of the past was based on cranking out zillions of identical products: Ford famously said that car-buyers could have any colour they liked, as long as it was black. But the cost of producing much smaller batches of a wider variety, with each product tailored precisely to each customer’s whims, is falling. The factory of the future will focus on mass customisation—and may look more like those weavers’ cottages than Ford’s assembly line.

The old way of making things involved taking lots of parts and screwing or welding them together. Now a product can be designed on a computer and “printed” on a 3D printer, which creates a solid object by building up successive layers of material. The digital design can be tweaked with a few mouseclicks. The 3D printer can run unattended, and can make many things which are too complex for a traditional factory to handle. In time, these amazing machines may be able to make almost anything, anywhere—from your garage to an African village.

The applications of 3D printing are especially mind-boggling. Already, hearing aids and high-tech parts of military jets are being printed in customised shapes. The geography of supply chains will change. An engineer working in the middle of a desert who finds he lacks a certain tool no longer has to have it delivered from the nearest city. He can simply download the design and print it. The days when projects ground to a halt for want of a piece of kit, or when customers complained that they could no longer find spare parts for things they had bought, will one day seem quaint.

Other changes are nearly as momentous. New materials are lighter, stronger and more durable than the old ones. Carbon fibre is replacing steel and aluminium in products ranging from aeroplanes to mountain bikes. New techniques let engineers shape objects at a tiny scale. Nanotechnology is giving products enhanced features, such as bandages that help heal cuts, engines that run more efficiently and crockery that cleans more easily. Genetically engineered viruses are being developed to make items such as batteries. And with the internet allowing ever more designers to collaborate on new products, the barriers to entry are falling. Ford needed heaps of capital to build his colossal River Rouge factory; his modern equivalent can start with little besides a laptop and a hunger to invent.

Like all revolutions, this one will be disruptive. Digital technology has already rocked the media and retailing industries, just as cotton mills crushed hand looms and the Model T put farriers out of work. Many people will look at the factories of the future and shudder. They will not be full of grimy machines manned by men in oily overalls. Many will be squeaky clean—and almost deserted. Some carmakers already produce twice as many vehicles per employee as they did only a decade or so ago. Most jobs will not be on the factory floor but in the offices nearby, which will be full of designers, engineers, IT specialists, logistics experts, marketing staff and other professionals. The manufacturing jobs of the future will require more skills. Many dull, repetitive tasks will become obsolete: you no longer need riveters when a product has no rivets.

The revolution will affect not only how things are made, but where. Factories used to move to low-wage countries to curb labour costs. But labour costs are growing less and less important: a $499 first-generation iPad included only about $33 of manufacturing labour, of which the final assembly in China accounted for just $8. Offshore production is increasingly moving back to rich countries not because Chinese wages are rising, but because companies now want to be closer to their customers so that they can respond more quickly to changes in demand. And some products are so sophisticated that it helps to have the people who design them and the people who make them in the same place. The Boston Consulting Group reckons that in areas such as transport, computers, fabricated metals and machinery, 10-30% of the goods that America now imports from China could be made at home by 2020, boosting American output by $20 billion-55 billion a year.

The shock of the new

Consumers will have little difficulty adapting to the new age of better products, swiftly delivered. Governments, however, may find it harder. Their instinct is to protect industries and companies that already exist, not the upstarts that would destroy them. They shower old factories with subsidies and bully bosses who want to move production abroad. They spend billions backing the new technologies which they, in their wisdom, think will prevail. And they cling to a romantic belief that manufacturing is superior to services, let alone finance.

None of this makes sense. The lines between manufacturing and services are blurring. Rolls-Royce no longer sells jet engines; it sells the hours that each engine is actually thrusting an aeroplane through the sky. Governments have always been lousy at picking winners, and they are likely to become more so, as legions of entrepreneurs and tinkerers swap designs online, turn them into products at home and market them globally from a garage. As the revolution rages, governments should stick to the basics: better schools for a skilled workforce, clear rules and a level playing field for enterprises of all kinds.

Leave the rest to the revolutionaries.

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#20. To: jwpegler (#17)

So, let's take a quick second to celebrate the human spirit and the how it continues to try to move us forward in-spite of government intervention to the contrary.

That really is an amazing accomplishment,isn't it?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-04-22   20:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#17)

...just like technology was postponed under Communism during the 20th century...

We didn't think that in the 50s when the Soviets launched Sputnik.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-22   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#11)

The article I posted is factual.

No, it isn't unless discussing Social Darwinism and Marx/Engels Communism with a wee bit of Freudian psycho-babble.

The first Industrial Revolution was created in America that was later used in England to enslave people into the communion of factory workers receiving a pittance for their labor.

The second Industrial Revolution was created in America because of WW2.

The third Industrial Revolution has already elapsed into cheap social networks for methods of non-productivity and methods of social decay. It has already created government control about individual creativity non-consistent with laws and regulations that are already the anti-thesis of the foundations fro and about the American nation.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-04-22   20:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#22)

No, it isn't unless discussing Social Darwinism and Marx/Engels Communism with a wee bit of Freudian psycho-babble

I'm just trying to discuss a really interesting technology and why it is going to replace an entrenched business process.

Marx, Darwin... they were early 20th century. They had no idea what digitization even was, let alone what it could achieve by itself let alone the possibilities combined with nano-technology.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-22   20:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: jwpegler (#23)

I'm just trying to discuss a really interesting technology and why it is going to replace an entrenched business process.

No, it won't because simultaneously with new technologies in America and around the world there is a GROWING urge by governments to control the same. Every other day, you hear a whisper of how governments can control you and family and just about everything that is based on the digital revolution.

Marx, Darwin... they were early 20th century. They had no idea what digitization even was, let alone what it could achieve by itself let alone the possibilities combined with nano-technology.

True, but their ideas are ingrained in modern science, government and the stalwart authoritarian idiots that run and embrace the major political parties to create an atmosphere of no-change while the popular status-quo reigns the governance of new technologies.

It is a never-ending-story; it always has been and technologies MUST be quelled before the minions realize there are other ideas about the way they live and their bastard overlords that control the show.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-04-22   21:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: jwpegler (#23)

Marx, Darwin... they were early 20th century.

I'm not sure what you mean by that - they both died in the 1880s.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-22   21:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler (#1)

please tell us all how you are going to revive unskilled assembly line jobs

Who is going to build all the printers we're going to need?

LOL!

Fire up the machinery!

We The People  posted on  2012-04-23   6:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#25)

I'm not sure what you mean by that..

Their ideas drove a big part of the 20th century.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-23   19:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#24)

Every other day, you hear a whisper of how governments can control you and family and just about everything that is based on the digital revolution.

Digital technologies have done more to free people than to enslave them.

30 years ago we were slaves to the bank teller, government granted phone monopoly, 2 local newspapers, 3 government licensed broadcast networks, and more...

Every part of our lives that has been disrupted by digital technologies is orders of magnitude better than it was previously.

Sure, government is trying to control this, just like they try to control everything else.

The distributed and global nature of digital networks makes it inherently uncontrollable. Sure, they'll try, but smart people will always be able to create technologies to stay several steps ahead of the idiot politicians and bureaucrats.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-23   19:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: jwpegler (#10)

The point is... cheap manual labor is going to become less and less important all of the time. That's why we need a workforce that is increasingly knowledgeable in engineering, science, and math...

There a lot of people that aren't cut out for science, engineering and math or college for that matter. And since there are only so many trade school related jobs, where do they find a job that pays a decent wage?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-04-23   21:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: NewsJunky (#29)

There a lot of people that aren't cut out for science, engineering and math or college for that matter. And since there are only so many trade school related jobs, where do they find a job that pays a decent wage?

Market freedom means that's their problem.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-23   21:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#30)

Market freedom means that's their problem.

Or it could mean that they start their own business.

I started my first business, literally, with less than a 1k investment.

We The People  posted on  2012-04-23   21:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: jwpegler (#28)

Sure, they'll try, but smart people will always be able to create technologies to stay several steps ahead of the idiot politicians and bureaucrats.

Good post, I have been following this technology for 20+ years, since the first laminated process was developed. And you are right, breakthroughs in technology have been an economic benefit to mankind. Manufacturing jobs will go the way of farming jobs -- from 50% of the population in 1920 to less than 3% today, due to the technology that revolutionized farming -- the tractor, chemical farming, milking machines, CO2 refrigeration, and transportation, etc. Freed from the land (often enough by force during the Great Oppression), men poured into factories to produce all the products we take for granted, making us all more comfortable, and working fewer hours to boot.

The factory has already changed dramatically in the last 30 years, and now jobbers, like machinists, will find themselves obsolete as the revolution in materials and "replicators" take over. Just as there are many small shops providing computer related services today, many smaller local manufacturers will be viable with this technology. Patent law will be the biggest barrier to entry for manufacturing with 3D digital technology, and that's the racket that the looters have been working on for the last several decades.

BTW, your quote is a grave mistake; you are underestimating the enemy. The Marxists centralizers have been doing very well over the last century. They have plenty of very talented (and wealthy) people who believe in their system working for them. There are no communications they can't listen in on, they don't even have to physically tap your landline phone anymore to listen in on it. I wouldn't trust bitcoin, in fact I believe it is a stalking horse to eliminate cash transactions. Unless there is a sea change in the acceptance of the overpopulation meme, the vast majority of humanity will be herded (and slaughtered) like cattle using technology to sterilize, kill, and control them.

Those who think that the Soviet Union, or even the NAZI's, failed have not taken a good look at the world today.

Anthem  posted on  2012-04-23   23:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Anthem (#32)

BTW, your quote is a grave mistake; you are underestimating the enemy. The Marxists centralizers have been doing very well over the last century. They have plenty of very talented (and wealthy) people who believe in their system working for them. There are no communications they can't listen in on, they don't even have to physically tap your landline phone anymore to listen in on it. I wouldn't trust bitcoin, in fact I believe it is a stalking horse to eliminate cash transactions. Unless there is a sea change in the acceptance of the overpopulation meme, the vast majority of humanity will be herded (and slaughtered) like cattle using technology to sterilize, kill, and control them.

Those who think that the Soviet Union, or even the NAZI's, failed have not taken a good look at the world today.

So you SAY.

But your credulous acceptance of the meme that will be one of the main means to herd people around belies your sincerity and truthfulness.

The so called "ECO" movement is a TOOL of GLOBAL TYRANNY, and YOU eat it up.

Why would that be "citizen"?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-04-24   2:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#12)

I just watched a tv show today that featured a custom "bull pup" rifle stock made from plastic and printed in a 3-D printer. Still trying to wrap my machinist mind around this new reality.

I see you've been watching Sons of Guns.....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   6:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#21)

...just like technology was postponed under Communism during the 20th century... We didn't think that in the 50s when the Soviets launched Sputnik.

The only reason they were able to do that was because of what they took from Germany at the end of WW2..... That's how they get pretty much all they have is re-/reverse engineering things/technology they've stolen....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   6:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: NewsJunky (#29)

There a lot of people that aren't cut out for science, engineering and math or college for that matter. And since there are only so many trade school related jobs, where do they find a job that pays a decent wage?

Isn't that a question better posed to the Socialist/Communist/Fascist Masters to answer???? Oh that's right I forgot they don't care about anybody but themselves and people stupid enough to vote for them, so don't expect a coherent answer just a bullet......

They've caused this mess they should have to answer for it, but for some reason I don't think that'll happen, at least not in my lifetime.... too many sheeple in this country!!!!

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   6:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#35)

The only reason they were able to do that was because of what they took from Germany at the end of WW2....

and we didn't?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   9:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: CZ82 (#36)

... too many sheeple in this country!!!!

Yep, and you're one of them.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   9:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom' CZ82 (#37)

and we didn't?

I guess all those deals we offered to German scientists after WWII in Operation Paper Clip didn't count.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   14:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#37)

The only reason they were able to do that was because of what they took from Germany at the end of WW2....

and we didn't?

We did, but we kept using and expanding on what knowledge we got from the Nazi's... But it seems like the Commies either couldn't figure out how to keep using that knowledge, or they decided stealing others technology was easier.... OR..... maybe it was both because they weren't teaching people to critically think or think outside the Commie Mantra box!!!! (Kinda like our current school systems)....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   16:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#38)

... too many sheeple in this country!!!!

Yep, and you're one of them.

You're the one who votes for Leftards/Morons not me....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   16:55:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: CZ82 (#40)

But it seems like the Commies either couldn't figure out how to keep using that knowledge, or they decided stealing others technology was easier...

The Soviet commies stopped being commies more than 20 years ago (please try to keep up). Since then, they have been dealing with fallout from taking the free market, privatization road.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   17:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: NewsJunky (#29)

There a lot of people that aren't cut out for science, engineering and math or college for that matter. And since there are only so many trade school related jobs, where do they find a job that pays a decent wage?

Skilled trades.

Instead of getting a government loan to major in philosophy, how about learning how to be a plumber, auto mechanic, electrician, or another skilled trade?

There are a lot of liberal arts majors tending bar and waiting on tables. I know a bunch.

The idiot politicians have this stupid notion that getting any college degree is better than no college degree at all.

That is COMPLETELY wrong.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-24   17:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: We The People (#31) (Edited)

Or it could mean that they start their own business.

An example of what has become wrong with America...

There are a ton of people who would love to start a taxi company in New York.

They get a driver's license. They buy a car. They take a test. They get their car inspected. All reasonable requirements, but no dice -- government requires them to get a Taxi Mendelian, which now costs $1 million.

There are examples all over the country of government's doing really stupid things to prevent very small business people from serving customers and contributing to society.

Many poor people (including blacks and immigrants) who want to start their own business and rely on themselves can't do so because government has restricted the market to prevent competition.

One option for these ambitious people is to become someone else's employee (often times at minimum wage), rather than following their own dreams.

America became a GREAT country because we enabled people to follow their own dreams, open a business, and become their own boss.

So, some turn to the black market (drugs, etc), because being their own boss is the only way that they can possibly live the American dream.

Now, governments at all levels are systematically destroying people's dreams by restricting entry into markets to create monopolies or oligopolies for themselves or for the special interests.

It's sick and wrong.

What are we going to do about it???


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-24   17:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Anthem (#32) (Edited)

you are underestimating the enemy

Actually, you are over estimating the enemy. The enemy is not dead, but they are struggling.

In a closed nation, tyrants can very quickly gain control and do whatever they want.

We don't live in closed society any longer.

Let the U.S. government disconnect us from the global internet. Do you think that people will just roll over and play dead???

NO, people's livelihoods depend on the internet. No offense, because I don't know how old you are, so perhaps you don't understand this. If Obama (or anyone else) tried to take control of the internet there would be a revolution.

We've just seen it with PIPA. Politicians on both sides (including golden-haired boy Rubio) supported it. They all had to quickly change their positions because of the outrage that they received.

The Internet is air to the digital economy.

Yes, the bastard politicians will continue to try to control everything. But's it's not 1917 anymore. They cannot shut off the free-flow of information. The free-flow of information is their downfall.

It's much easier to prevent freedom than it is to take it away.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-24   17:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#40)

We did, but we kept using and expanding on what knowledge we got from the Nazi's... But it seems like the Commies either couldn't figure out how to keep using that knowledge

Exactly right. Great observation.

You really made a very important point.

Thank you.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-24   17:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lucysmom (#42)

The Soviet commies stopped being commies more than 20 years ago (please try to keep up).

Ohhhhh, then why are they crawling in bed with your messiah????

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   19:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: CZ82 (#47)

lucysmom: The Soviet commies stopped being commies more than 20 years ago (please try to keep up).

CZ82: Ohhhhh, then why are they crawling in bed with your messiah????

Try to keep up??????

LMFAO!!!!

Just because the official "commie" government collapsed, doesn't mean the people who've been in power (via that same corrupt government) have really gone anywhere...

Hmmmm Vladimir Putin was running the KGB. And now he's running the entire COUNTRY.

So much for the loony bitch and her attempts to "keep up."

LMAO.


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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-04-24   19:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: jwpegler (#43)

There are a lot of liberal arts majors tending bar and waiting on tables. I know a bunch.

If they work in the right place they can make more money that way, I used to know a girl who was making 6 figures a year waiting tables!!!!

You can add Psychology majors and Accountants to that list....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   19:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: CZ82 (#47)

Ohhhhh, then why are they crawling in bed with your messiah????

My Messiah was crucified more than 2,000 years ago.

I do remember George Bush looking into Putin's eyes and finding a soul mate though, is that what you're talking about?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   19:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Capitalist Eric (#48)

Just because the official "commie" government collapsed, doesn't mean the people who've been in power (via that same corrupt government) have really gone anywhere...

Actually a few of them have showed up here in our government but that's neither here nor there....

Once a Red always a Red.....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   19:48:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#49)

I used to know a girl who was making 6 figures a year waiting tables!!!

It's possible, but she might have been selling more than drinks...


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-04-24   19:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#50)

My Messiah was crucified more than 2,000 years ago.

Obozo's not dead...... yet!!!! I thought you guys were athiests (being abortion lovers and all)????

Now why would I be upset about Bush looking into Putin's eyes and finding a soulmate???? Anybody with any sense knows Bush was a moderate (Baby Democrat/Leftard)!!!! And that's the very reason I can't figure out why Leftards hate Bush so much, especially when he was doing the same thing as the ones you vote for!!!!!! Ohhh that's right he has an "R" before his name not a "D"!!!! Besides that I thought Putin was one of youse guyses heroes... How many has he killed with his policies???? (Betcha he's a proponent of ObozoCare)!

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   20:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Capitalist Eric (#48)

Just because the official "commie" government collapsed, doesn't mean the people who've been in power (via that same corrupt government) have really gone anywhere...

Hmmmm Vladimir Putin was running the KGB. And now he's running the entire COUNTRY.

The same people may be running the government, and the government may be just as corrupt as ever, but it ain't communist any more. (Where did you get the idea that only communist governments could be corrupt?)

The Russian economic system has "Made is America" written all over it.

Gaidar, Chubias, and Vasiliev studied Western models of capitalist economies and similar economic reform efforts, specifically the reform efforts of economist Jeffrey Sachs in Poland. Sachs had implemented “shock therapy” programs and policies in his efforts to convert the Polish economy to a market based economy. His shock therapy programs involved the rapid conversion of all property and assets to private ownership. Shortly after learning about Sachs's rapid conversion programs, Gaidar invited Sachs to advise Yeltsin’s new economic team, which Sachs quickly accepted.[1]

Harvard Project

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, one of the highest ranking individuals in the U.S. Treasury, Lawrence Summers, was called upon to facilitate the transition in Russia's economy. Summers had close ties with Harvard University as an alumnus and professor. He also had close ties with Andrei Shleifer, an economist at Harvard. Shleifer was sent to Moscow by the World Bank to facilitate the conversion of the Russian economy. Additionally, Shleifer directed key elements of the reform effort of the Harvard Institute for International Development.[1]

HIID advised the Russian government on privatizing its economy and on how to create capital markets, as well as how to develop the necessary laws and institutions to regulate them those markets. This project, which was contracted to HIID by USAID became known as the "Harvard Project". Though USAID contributed more than $40 million of U.S. government funds to the activities of HIID in Russia, there was little supervision of activities by the United States government.[1]

While Andrei Shleifer technically led the Harvard project on behalf of HIID, his presence in Moscow was limited as he supervised the project from HIID’s headquarters in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Shleifer’s wife, Nancy Zimmerman, a hedge fund manager, became involved in the project, reflecting some of the conflicts of interest.[1] Unable to spend the necessary time needed in Russia, Shleifer appointed Jonathan Hay to supervise the day-to-day operations of the project. Hay had been an associate of Shleifer, as well as an associate of Sachs. It helped that Hay was fluent in Russian. Though Hay appeared a valid candidate for the vital position as HIID supervisor of activities in Russia, he lacked practical experience.[1]

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   20:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: CZ82 (#53)

Obozo's not dead...... yet!!!! I thought you guys were athiests (being abortion lovers and all)????

Too bad you are only able to see the world in stereotypical images created for you by your masters - you miss a lot.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   20:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: jwpegler (#52)

It's possible, but she might have been selling more than drinks...

With 2 kids and a fiance I doubt it.... She worked at McCormicks and Schmicks..

You might be surprised how much they can make in a night, especially when they have large parties of people instead of couples or small families....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   20:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom (#55)

Too bad you are only able to see the world in stereotypical images created for you by your masters - you miss a lot.

And who might that be???? Since I don't vote.....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   20:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: jwpegler (#43)

The idiot politicians have this stupid notion that getting any college degree is better than no college degree at all.

That is COMPLETELY wrong.

And that is the next group of people targeted to bribe for votes...... It will either be with really low interest rates on their student loans or he will do away with a good portion of their loans altogether... I figure sometime around October.....

He knows he's lost their vote this time around but he's hoping they haven't wised up that much and will fall for this new line of bullchit...... (More hope and change just repackaged).....

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

CZ82  posted on  2012-04-24   20:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: CZ82 (#57)

And who might that be???? Since I don't vote.....

I wasn't talking about voting.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   22:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lucysmom (#54)

(Where did you get the idea that only communist governments could be corrupt?)

I never said that. As usual, you're trying to change the subject to something more manageable.

The Russian economic system has "Made is America" written all over it.

Keep 'brandishing your ignorance," loonybitch. Until you actually learn something about economics, and perhaps even go to the country in question, you're just another uninformed dupe regurgitating the propaganda you've been spoon-fed.

What make you think your opinion has any value?


The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!

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To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-04-25   12:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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