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The modern tradition of concerns about an impending decline of resource extraction began in 1865 with Victorian economist William Stanley Jevons (18351882), who concluded that falling coal output must spell the end of Britains national greatness as it is of course useless to think of substituting any other kind of fuel for coal. Substitute oil for coal in the last sentence and you get the erroneous foundations of the doomsday sentiment shared by the peak-oil catastrophists.
The following predates the Beginning of your Religion's Civilization....it's a Power thing....;}
Picasso Moon wrote:Money, be it paper, material(e.g. gold) or electronic, is a FETISH, nothing more than an increasingly inaccurate representation of value. http://www.dailybattle.pair.com/2012/occupy_target_destroy_ruling_money_fetish.shtml
Yes, PO, as well as the quickly-accelerated crisis of the biosphere, make this economic collapse very different from the 1910s and 1930s, make any "recovery" pretty much impossible even with a global war.
Well, yes, but until we can light fires with lightening bolts from our hands, or live like First Nation as Hunter/Gatherers, then Economic Collapse is Peak Oil.
As Debt is Information Over run based on Energy Return on Future Consumption.
As Every Civiliation before can attest.
The only difference this time is the Extremely High EROEI we've enjoyed this last 150 years. Note the MAny Parabolic Curves that have resulted and which are now coming back down to Baseline.
The Pop Curve the biggest Example. 400 million humans by 2120.
All the above wasted, as I'm done reading the bible. But maybe you could interest your lap dog, MD, in some of it. The bible does have some interesting quotes on manners....;}
Power Over Religion.
Like Fukushima/Onogawa over JApan....;}
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Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:22 am by mcgowanjm Re: Mounting signs of deepening global slump
Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:22 am by mcgowanjm
Foster wrote:It is sort of morbidly fascinating to watch and see that the ride down the right side of the per-capita energy consumption curve, in most manifesting ways, translates (itself in)to "war on the working class." That could also be the "haves" trying to guarantee that they and theirs remain haves. Aside from ancient and tiny groups, is it possible to escape the effects of greed?
No... :twisted:
Because this is Planet Hell.
There is a path out for each individual, but it's not easy. How could it be? All you have to do is Stand and Hold and Not Give Up.
'The virtues are eternal, getting possession of them is not for the weak and temporal minded. It takes everything because it also provides everything; everything beyond the common dreams of those addicted to the trough.'-Les Visible.... :? 8-)
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Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:27 am by mcgowanjm Re: Mounting signs of deepening global slump
Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:27 am by mcgowanjm
Greece stands on the verge of an energy crisis caused not by lack of energy, but lack of money within the energy sector. This will become a common refrain throughout Europe and beyond in the coming months and years. Loss of liquidity has a cascading effect on supply chains, causing them to seize up.
Illargi misses this one.
The grand euro experiment is grinding toward its ultimate conclusion, this can be seen in the petroleum markets. The chart by Bloomberg:
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Here we see what happens when a belief system dies. The grinding part is caused by the high price of petroleum. It has cost so little for so long the entire machinery world has been built up around it. A low price has been assumed forever. Now fuel is unaffordable by a large and increasing part of the world economy: the part that has been charged with servicing the worlds debt.
The outcome of the high price has been demand destruction with resulting sharp fall in the price: down then up then down again. The public naively believes the decline in price is an unadulterated good thing but prices fall today because something important has died such as a country.(My Edit: Spain.... :twisted:
Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:29 am by mcgowanjm Re: Mounting signs of deepening global slump
Post Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:29 am by mcgowanjm We've got maybe 2 weeks left, probably less, as the banks/fiance won;t wait for the greek election results to move.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
American King James Version If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them.
American Standard Version And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Douay-Rheims Bible If any one lie with a man se with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them.
Darby Bible Translation And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.
English Revised Version And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Webster's Bible Translation If a man also shall lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
World English Bible "'If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Young's Literal Translation And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
If a man lie also with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,.... Is guilty of the sin of sodomy, this is a breach of the law in Leviticus 18:22,
both of them have committed an abomination; he that lies, and he that is lain with, both consenting to perpetrate the abominable wickedness; which may well be called an abomination, being contrary to nature, and more than brutish, for nothing of that kind is to be found among brutes:
they shall surely be put to death; if he that is lain with is not forced, as Aben Ezra observes:
their blood shall be upon them; be slain by stoning, as the above Targum. Geneva Study Bible
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Wesley's Notes
20:13 Put to death - Except the one party was forced by the other. See Deu 22:25. Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
20:10-27 These verses repeat what had been said before, but it was needful there should be line upon line. What praises we owe to God that he has taught the evil of sin, and the sure way of deliverance from it! May we have grace to adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things; may we have no fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness, but reprove them.
The periphery nations, led by Spain, are pushing on Germany and the funding nations to step-in but the cost will be very high and a huge loss of sovereignty. I doubt if many in Europe understand the price that will be extracted which will be the EU taking over Spains financial system, taxes and social services so that Brussels/Berlin will control the country.
The problem for you, A K A, is that the bible is a Story.
A Faith&Believe story.
"I spend a lot of time on DOTE(Decline of the Empire;) talking about reality versus fantasy so you too will learn to see how people typically "think" about the Big Issues.
It turns out they don't think much at all (i.e. don't engage in rational thought, Kahneman's System 1).
Fundamentally, human beings were designed by nature for Faith & Belief, not for rational thought (System 2). I've known that for years and years now because if you actually look as objectively as possible at what goes on in this world, which is what I have tried to do, that's what you see over and over again.
However, the word "story" is neutral, and therefore calling a narrative "a story" effectively divorces it from whatever truth it might contain. Here's a good-enough definition in the intended sense.
An account or recital of an event or a series of events, either true or fictitious, as:
a. An account or report regarding the facts of an event or group of events: "the witness changed her story under questioning."
b. An anecdote: "came back from the trip with some good stories."
c. A lie: "told us a story about the dog eating the cookies."
The whole point of science, which led to human "subjugation" of the natural world as a desired side-effect, and whole point of data-based analysis of current and historical events, was to contruct narratives (called "theories") which were based in fact & observation, and subject to change based on new evidence.
A good theory should be falsifiable, i.e. subject to testing. Otherwise, it is merely a story which may be true or fictitious (see below). The whole point was for some humans to stop telling such stories about how the world works, about events and about each other. Such stories don't need to be grounded in anything. They can be fabricated from whole cloth, and often are.
Right up until the 16th century, all humans had been telling each other stories, often self-justifying, self-serving stories, for tens of thousands of years. Surely it comes as no surprise that the overwhelming majority of people still do that.
Spain & the Afghans....noting that no one on the USSAMedia cirxuit is talking about either....yet....;}
"Spain arrived at the precipice, as I have predicted many times and this morning; they have fallen over the edge.
So long and thanks for all the sardines!
Sancho is no longer fighting with windmills this morning. Notions of some charming book or a small foray into the countryside have been replaced by a much more serious confrontation where Germany will demand vengeance for the irresponsible behavior of Spain.
And
A Chinook with 30 USSAns lies crashed and burned as I type.
The problem for you, A K A, is that the bible is a Story.
Yes is is a story of the Human races origin. It explains why plants reproduce after like kind. There is no evolution. It tells us why there is evil in the world. It tells us why we wear clothes. Animals don't wear clothes. It tells us why man is fallen. It also tells us how to be redeemed. It tells us everything we need to know in order to live correctly.
Many people have some sin they don't want to give up. So they reject the clear moral teachings from God.
We all have a choice where we will spend eternity. We all choose Heaven or Hell.
No more than the USSA which they have copied to the bestest of their abilities....;}
But you weren't thinking of This Evil I'm sure:
Germany arms Israel with the latest nuclear armed subs.
CBS News - 21 hours ago Der Spiegel reports Israel deploying nuclear-tipped cruise missiles on German-built submarines partially funded by Berlin Read more by ...
Germany arms Israel with the latest nuclear armed subs.
No that is good. Kind of like the second amendment that gives you liberals all kinds of fits. Israel has a right to defend itself from Muslim maniacs. Maybe Israel will take those nukes and rid the world of the muslim scum that inhabits the earth presently.
Nice try with your storytelling acumen....but no cigar....;}
Oh you hypocrite. You can't test millions of years. And nothing has ever witnesses to have evolved. Do you think some day you will plant a tomato plant and it will magically through evilution change into something else. Or if you plant grass seed it might magically start producing some kind of new fruit through evilution? Evolution is nonsense. It is a fairy tale by satan for the stupid and gullible who don't want to follow the true way God told us about.
I pity the fool who thinks we evolved. I will add that many of the people who have the false belief system known as evolution, really just want to fuck monkeys.
Oh you hypocrite. You can't test millions of years.
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# Ice cores | Natural History Museum www.nhm.ac.uk ... Climate change How do we know?Cached - Similar
An ice core is like a timeline the newest ice lies closest to the surface while ice that was formed thousands, or even millions, of years ago is deeply buried.
Palaeoclimate: A great grand-daddy of ice cores : Article : Nature www.nature.com/uidfinder/10.1038/429611aSimilar You +1'd this publicly. Undo by JF McManus - 2004 - Cited by 32 - Related articles Jun 10, 2004 A decade ago, ice cores from Greenland provided compelling ... Before one million years ago, glaciations of moderate extent waxed and ...
[PDF] MILLION YEAR PLUS ICE CORE PROJECT (MY+): www.gg.gov.au/res/File/PDFs/Millionyearplusicecoreproject.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Dec 12, 2007 What is the million year plus ice core project in Antarctica? The Antarctic ice sheet contains the oldest ice on Earth. This ancient ice holds a ...
Ice and Sediment Cores | Ice Stories: Dispatches From Polar Scientists icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/big.../ice-and-sediment-cores/Cached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo While data from ice cores stretches back over 500000 years into the past, sediment cores have been used to look even farther back in time, up to 200 million ...
ANYTHING else I can do for ya, A K A, just holler.....;}
But O Hell, why bother. You don't/can't even believe in the Holocene.
Less bible study....more documentation System II thinking.
I can usually(;)tell what's going to happen about 30 seconds before the best.....;} & can lose and afford it usually(;) when I'm wrong.
"For example, emotional ties and shared beliefs are the cement which holds human groups together, i.e. beyond the obvious social ties, shared beliefs promote group coherence, which is often more important for humans than anything outside personal survival. It is only important that the beliefs are shared. It doesn't matter so much what those beliefs actually are. That's politics in a nutshell, and that's why I say politics makes you stupid. In fact, being a group member in good standing was tantamount to personal survival for tens of thousands of years. You could not survive outside the group.
As to the question of human rationality, I have for many years considered that question closed. If you are still laboring under the delusion that humans are in the general case rational decision-makers, or problem-solvers, or, in Kahneman's terms, System 2 thinkers, you need to take a long, hard look at the story you're telling yourself because it is quite obviously wrong and you are living in a fantasy world."
mctoejam; blah blah blah A REALLY weak attempt to pose as a sane person blah blah blah.
LOL!
I'd tell you to see who is the "boy" around here you mohammaden piece of shit. I'd tell you to suck a certain something haji, but you'd ENJOY it.
So you can go suck your messiah's ass you little Hate America FIRST! libTURD pussy.
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You gibbering libTURD HYPOCRITE LYING piece of SHIT CREEP!
Did you tell everybody here that you are a PARASITE that works for the gooberment mctoejam?
Did you make sure that you told everybody that YOU DEPEND 100% on TAX money to live on mctoejam?
Did you happen to mention to everybody that you are a practicing Mohammedan, (PISS be upon him), mctoejam?
Did you happen to mention that you HATE America and AMERICANS mctoejam?
Did you happen to mention how you DESPISE all US vets and active service members you foul piece of shit?
You called the game SCUM.
So ....
Lets PLAY SCUM.
SPIT ...
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Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
If voting changed anything, they would make it illegal.
And, btw, when was that groundswell to bring computers/optical scans into the voting precincts?
The answer is there never was one....;}
O and Exit Polls can not be seen by mere mortals.
Anything else?.....;}
"Amazing, isnt it? Obama made a huge thing about this transparency business and then prosecuted whistle blowers of all sorts, ruthlessly and viciously as well as continued all the secret assassinations and tortures Bush launched. These guys imagine no one will see past their hypocrisy and their push for total secret power a la Stalin as they struggle to take over all nations speaking of which, they want to take over Syria:..."
June 6, 2012 CRASH 2: Berlin reverses its millimetre of movement on eurobonds
The Earth may be turning, but the economy is at Dead Stop
Germany has not moved one inch towards fiscal union of any kind writes Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in todays Telegraph.
And Im afraid hes right. Merkel is a crafty minx, and no mistake: she appeared to have buckled yesterday, but now shes upped and said Oooo nein, you misunderstood me. This isnt playing well in either Washington (where Geithner is tearing his hair out by the roots) and back in Bankfurt, where Im told even Draghi looked exasperated after taking a phone-call from the Ostikanzler yesterday late afternoon."