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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
Source: LF
URL Source: http://hereandnow
Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 7962
Comments: 449

Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read?

As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth.

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#1. To: buckeroo, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0) (Edited)

Romans 13 is probably the most devastating thing to a Christian in the hands of the ungodly. It sounds so convincing to obey those who appear to be in power. For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.

God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

God didn't put them in power over the righteous. That's Satan's idea. The righteous don't need worldly, filthy authorities, which are no authorities at all. Do you think that they can instruct the righteous? They themselves steal. They themselves are perverts. And they presume to instruct the righteous? I don't think so.

The NIV is revisionist history at it's worst, written by satist NWO neocon libtards. The following chart demonstrates just how far they strayed...


Warning: Beware of the Living Bible and the Good News Bible. They are merely Bible paraphrases, not translations. The wording is not true to the original Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are perverted to support secular Christianity.

Romans 13:1-7

King James Bible
(Translation)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.


7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Living Bible
(Paraphrase)

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.

 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.

4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.

5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you.

 7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.

 

Understanding Romans 13:1-7

hondo68  posted on  2012-02-18   18:14:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#1)

Using your comparison chart in your first post between the King James Version (KJV) and the Living Bible (LB), I want you to know that the New King James Version (NKJV) (note: NOT the KJV as in your chart) has the same meaning as the Living Bible (LB). Also, this same idea contained in your chart between Living Bible (LB) King James (KJV) version seems perpetuated all over the many variations that exist.

I do not believe for a moment that the Bible instructs us, "So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow" (LB) or "The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose." (LB) This is total poppycock for the lame brain creating, dull mass lunatics (whom can't think for themselves) submitting to a fuckin' dictator.

I checked the Coptic Church, too. They are the oldest group of "Christians" around even foreshadowing the Catholic Church by several hundreds of years and they use the English translation of the NKJV! Even the Arabic translation (SJV) converts to "submission unto the the Sultans." I don't believe many people understand the intent of Jesus Christ at all. He was a REBEL in his day, that is the reason for his crucifixion.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   11:37:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, *Ron Paul for President* (#22)

the Coptic Church

submission unto the the Sultans.

Like the gov the Coptics try their best to rip you off. The ones running the liquor store are known far and wide for trying to short change their customers.

Maybe they give the money to Sultan Oilbombers reelection campaign?

hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   11:59:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23)

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt and have been as much or more victimized through time as any of the Jews. Their first original writings came from Mark (one of the apostles of Christ) in Alexandria.

Still, they use the NKJV, as well which is curious to me.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   12:07:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt

The ones I mentioned (two brothers) are immigrants from Iran.

hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   12:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: hondo68 (#25)

I was sure there was some subtle humour intended but I am studying the many variations of the Christian Bible right now. I am exceptionally curious about how the passage of Romans 13 has been interpreted in all these variations of English translation.

Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL not some cheap submissive, humble servant of the government that is represented in all these English Bible translations.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   12:33:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#26) (Edited)

Kings and even religious leaders try to spin to bible and tell us they we have to kiss their asses. Revolutionary preachers taught that "resistance to tyranny is obedience to God". They considered King George to be a false god (idol).

I'm taking a wild ass guess that Oilbomber and Big Sis are false gods too!


Article I posted ages ago at TOS... How Preachers Incited Revolution

No wonder I got banned twice from that statist NWO bushbot site.

hondo68  posted on  2012-02-20   12:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#27)

Your original link, The American Revolution - How Preachers Incited Revolution by Harry S. Stout is another resource for my repertoire of understanding how and why anyone would BELIEVE some of these English translations of the Christian Holy Bible as taught these days in the churches across the USA.

And we wonder HOW America failed? The entire American nation has been blinded into becoming a herd of sheep caged by ravenous wolves ready to strike at any moment. And, at the top of the list are the fucking ministers, pastors, priests and other BS artists that practice their Sunday SATANIC message of BS.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20   13:33:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#28)

hy anyone would BELIEVE some of these English translations of the Christian Holy Bible as taught these days in the churches across the USA

The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

The Greek Orthodox Church has recently release a new English translation of the New Testament called the Eastern / Greek Orthodox Bible.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-02-20   13:38:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#30. To: jwpegler (#29)

Excellent ... what English translation do they use?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20 13:42:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: jwpegler (#29) (Edited)

I read their website. They claim either the KJV or RSV version. Here is what they say:

The Eastern Orthodox Church officially uses the Septuagint, the Greek Old Testament which was translated from the original Hebrew language into Greek in the third century B.C. The Septuagint of the Orthodox Church contains all the Canonical Books and the Anaginoskoinena Books "worthy to be read" (called Apocrypha in the English Versions). For the New Testament, the original Greek text is used by the Greek Church, while the other Orthodox Churches have translated the Bible into their own native languages from the original Greek, with the Slavonic translation the oldest. The Orthodox Church has not, as yet, translated the Bible into English and so has no official English translation. In the meantime, the Orthodox are temporarily using both the King James Version and the Revised Standard Version.

Here is the REVISED STANDARD VERSION:

Rom.13 [1] Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

[2] Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

[3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,

[4] for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.

[5] Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

[6] For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.

[7] Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

I don't believe any of this crap.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-02-20 13:59:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: jwpegler (#29)

The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

The Greek Orthodox Church has recently release a new English translation of the New Testament called the Eastern / Greek Orthodox Bible.

The OC used the NKJV for their NT.

GarySpFC  posted on  2012-02-24 11:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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