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Title: Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption
Source: AssociatedPress
URL Source: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/201 ... b/09/us-virginia-gay-adoption/
Published: Feb 9, 2012
Author: staff writers
Post Date: 2012-02-09 18:23:09 by Murron
Keywords: None
Views: 36554
Comments: 87

Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption

The Virginia state Senate passed legislation Thursday allowing private adoption agencies to deny placements that conflict with their religious or moral beliefs, including opposition to homosexuality.

The mostly party-line 22-18 vote virtually ensures the Republican-backed bill will become law. The House of Delegates has an identical version of the bill and Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell says he will sign it. Virginia would become just the second state with such a law, which supporters said was modeled after North Dakota's.

State Sen. Jeffrey McWaters, a Republican from Virginia Beach, said his "conscience clause" bill protects the religious rights of private child placement agencies, including dozens that contract with the state to provide foster care and adoption services.

"This is completely consistent with state and federal law," McWaters said. "It does not change who can or cannot adopt a child."

Sen. Adam Ebbin, D-Alexandria and the only openly gay member of the General Assembly, suggested all the talk about religious freedom is a smokescreen for discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people.

"It has always been about denying LGBT Virginians the right to form families, no matter what we say," Ebbin said.

He said the bill will endanger gay and bisexual children, who make up a disproportionate share of youths awaiting a home, by allowing agencies to place them with parents opposed to homosexuality.

"This does not uphold anyone's moral principles," Ebbin said. "It's morally wrong."

Sen. John Edwards, D-Roanoke, said agencies that contract with the state should not be allowed to discriminate.

"You have a right to exercise religion as you see fit, but you don't have a right to impose it on someone else using state dollars," he said.

Sen. Mark Herring, D-Loudoun, said the bill conflicts with the principle that the best interest of the child is paramount.

"Neither the interests of the placement agency nor their beliefs should stand in the way," he said.

The Family Foundation of Virginia, which lobbied for the legislation, lauded the Senate's action.

"The passage of conscience protection for private child placement agencies by a bipartisan majority in the Senate is a tremendous victory for religious liberty and for the thousands of children and families around Virginia that are served by these agencies," Victoria Cobb, the foundation's president, said in a written statement.

The Child Welfare League of America had sent a letter to senators earlier in the week urging them to reject the bill, saying it would just make it more difficult to place the approximately 1,300 Virginia children waiting for a home.

"These children have been through so much already," Christine James-Brown, president of the organization, wrote. "It is cruel to deny them a secure home with a qualified family that happens to differ from the religious or moral beliefs held by a particular agency."

If either the House or the Senate approves the other chamber's bill unchanged, it will go to the governor. If either chamber amends the bill _ which seems unlikely after the Senate rejected a string of amendments proposed by Democrats on Wednesday _ it could be sent to conference committee to resolve the differences.

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#6. To: Murron (#0)

It is wrong to deliberately place a child in a home lacking either male or female influences.

Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-09   18:51:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: thoughtomator (#6)

Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation.

Where the fuck do you come up with your drivel? Do you just make it up?

meguro  posted on  2012-02-10   2:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: meguro (#9)

It's called common sense and those who do not have homosexual mental problems and are not brainwashed by Marxism can see it as self-evident.

Giving children to homosexuals is offensive to Nature itself - which, it should be noted, gives no children to homosexuals.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-10   2:42:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: thoughtomator (#10)

All people have children, and all people come in all range of grace, goodness or ability.

I know many gay men and women with children who do very well in life.

And their parent's gender preference doesn't influence their own.

As homosexuality is just another human trait, and is certainly no mere choice.

Your bigotry is pitiable, and an affliction that hurts you the most.

That is the bottom line.

Marriage has just become legal for all in Washington state, and will soon be legal all up and down the west coast.

As much of the marriages of heterosexual people fail with nary a word of concern or even advocacy to change that from people like you; it's not worry about the future of children or the state of marriage that drives you; it is the promotion of hate and wedge issues that enervates you.

You are to be pitied. I feel sorry for people like you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   6:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

That was one hell of a recitation of Marxist politically correct bullshit.

I'll tell you what, if I want to hear that kind of totally unsubstantiated bullshit, I'll turn on my TV, OK?

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-12   9:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: thoughtomator (#15)

You can use the word Marxist as a one word cover all for anything you do not agree with.

But the research of the APA and many other entities that have done good, impartial research backs up my position well enough to make it impossible for bigotry to triumph in the end on this issue.

Your hatred and deep fear based on the worst sort of human ignorance is your problem, and it is something you need to work out before you can defeat this stumbling block of hatred and ignorance that prevents you from growing as a human being.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   12:34:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

But the research of the APA and many other entities that have done good, impartial research backs up my position well enough to make it impossible for bigotry

Why do you call us bigots? That is a ridiculous charge. You are talking in pedophile code in order to try and lure kids into perversion and a destructive lifestyle. When you say that it is ok and normal you are assaulting kids. What do you call someone who assaults kids? That is what you would be. So cut the pedophile code talking out. It is sick.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:22:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Why do you call us bigots?

You're not a bigot. Just a stupid dipshit who doesn't know any better.

I also suspect you're a closet gay.

meguro  posted on  2012-02-12   21:34:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: meguro (#65)

That is what you perverts say when you whenever anyone challenges your perverting society.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   21:51:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#66) (Edited)

I'd say you are the pervert who can't keep his nose out of other people's bed rooms.

Meguro has a point about one thing; they did a study where they showed a study group of straight men who weren't bigoted and others with your sort of strong reaction to homosexuality.

They showed both groups porn, both straight and gay and measured the reaction of the men's penises.

The homophobic men generally showed an increase in turgidity when showed the gay porn.

This indicates that with some me, their true feelings of sexual attraction to other me causes deep conflict within them expressed as homophobic sentiment.

It is possible you do have sexual feelings for other me, or you are just a stupid bully who got off on picking on boys smaller than you in high school and found tormenting them by calling them gay to be a fun sport.

Either way Stone, there is something not quite right about you.

You should get help.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-13   0:56:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Ferret Mike (#68)

bullshit study

C'mon Mike.

Wadda load of psycho-babble horseshit.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-02-13   1:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Wood_Chopper (#70)

The Board of Trustees of the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973 after reviewing the evidence that it was not a mental disorder. I read much their position papers and what their conclusions were, and I looked at how they did their impartial studies that arrived at the conclusion that helped 'decriminalize homosexuality by proving it to not be a disorder.

After a similar review in 1987, ego-dystonic homosexuality was also taken out of the DMS, and the DMS-III-R was published without it. I read the work this action was based on too.

I had a job with basic Right Oregon as an activist fighting the Oregon Citizen's Alliance's attempt to go after homosexuals with a series of ballot measures we helped defeat.

The OCA eventually disbanded in disgrace after we exposed them for who they were to the people of Oregon.

I have worked long and hard to help fight homophobia and to advance the cause of human rights for this grou; and others in my years as an activist.

It is far from what you describe it as. The studies were done properly and were well vetting. So was the one I just talked about concerning homophobic people.

If you have a credible citation proving otherwise, let's have it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-13   1:29:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike (#71)

If you have a credible citation proving otherwise, let's have it.

Global warming.

Everybody's got an agenda.

Big words don't impress me. The bigger the words, the bigger the liar.

impartial studies

There's no such fucking thing Mike. You know that. I know you know that.

What's that guys name who got screwed over for claiming the earth orbited the sun and not the other way round?

Fuck, I just found out fried foods aren't a threat to heart health. Who knew?

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-02-13   1:55:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Wood_Chopper (#72) (Edited)

Human rights is my agenda, Woody. We are talking about how some claim to care about that, but all I see is a desire to control and oppress.

You have Stone here wanting to kill anyone who gets in his way of controlling a woman's pregnancy. he destroys the notion his stand is about caring for the sanctity of life the second he talks about passing out death should he not get his way.

You have him and others wanting to lynch people back into the closet and he threatens a poster to make him sorry he didn't crawl into self loathing and second class citizenship if he doesn't listen to his notion of human control.

I call bullshit on him and all of those who want to scapegoat people to use the fear that scapegoating causes to control others by trying to make them fear people who are good citizens, work hard, fight for their country, and only want to be treated fairly.

It ain't your or Stone's business who anyone sleeps with, marries, or cares about. Not as long as we are talking about much the same relationship anyone else has.

No one has a right to play gender cop, and the game of spite and hatred of people who are gay, transgender, or bisexual. That game is coming to the end, and those who dare try to control people for their own political or social gain is sinking into the deserved spot it has earned in the dustbin of history.

And if you don't like it, then it's your or anyone else wanting to scapegoat and bully others merely to advance your socio-political agenda's tough shit.

That plain enough talk for ya? I don't like oppression, and many including myself are willing to to whatever it takes to stop it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-13   4:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#73)

and those who dare try to control people for their own political or social gain is sinking into the deserved spot it has earned in the dustbin of history.

Mike, have you ever considered that THAT is EXACTLY what the "gay and lesbian" agenda is doing, and the people it is being done to don't like it?

Acceptance can never be forced upon someone, no matter how hard they try to do just that. Acceptance is given by the person doing the acccepting, not something forced upon the "acceptor".

To many people, "married" homosexuals are no more married than two 8 year olds who play dress up and say "I do" to each other.

It ain't your or Stone's business who anyone sleeps with, marries, or cares about.

Correct. So why do they keep beating me over the head with their sexuality and keep demanding my acceptance and approval of what they're doing?? THEY seem to think it's my business.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-02-13   21:50:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Wood_Chopper (#80)

To many people, "married" homosexuals are no more married than two 8 year olds who play dress up and say "I do" to each other.

Can I think that way of your marriage, assuming of course you're married?

meguro  posted on  2012-02-14   0:17:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#82. To: meguro (#81)

Can I think that way of your marriage, assuming of course you're married?

Yes. That's exactly my point.

The difference between you and me is that I don't go running to government to force you to accept my marriage.

And I'll wager that you and I would agree that if you thought of my marriage that way, no amount of government edict would make you accept it. You would, however, resent the attempt.

The law of unintended consequence is at work here meguro. You can't pass a law ordering that people respect and accept you, and expect it to work.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-02-14 03:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: meguro (#81)

an I think that way of your marriage, assuming of course you're married?

No you can't. Marriage has a specific definition. It is found in the Bible. It is the union between a man and a woman.

The first amendment is supposed to protect the church from pervert dick suckers like Obama.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-14 05:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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