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Title: Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption
Source: AssociatedPress
URL Source: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/201 ... b/09/us-virginia-gay-adoption/
Published: Feb 9, 2012
Author: staff writers
Post Date: 2012-02-09 18:23:09 by Murron
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Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption

The Virginia state Senate passed legislation Thursday allowing private adoption agencies to deny placements that conflict with their religious or moral beliefs, including opposition to homosexuality.

The mostly party-line 22-18 vote virtually ensures the Republican-backed bill will become law. The House of Delegates has an identical version of the bill and Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell says he will sign it. Virginia would become just the second state with such a law, which supporters said was modeled after North Dakota's.

State Sen. Jeffrey McWaters, a Republican from Virginia Beach, said his "conscience clause" bill protects the religious rights of private child placement agencies, including dozens that contract with the state to provide foster care and adoption services.

"This is completely consistent with state and federal law," McWaters said. "It does not change who can or cannot adopt a child."

Sen. Adam Ebbin, D-Alexandria and the only openly gay member of the General Assembly, suggested all the talk about religious freedom is a smokescreen for discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people.

"It has always been about denying LGBT Virginians the right to form families, no matter what we say," Ebbin said.

He said the bill will endanger gay and bisexual children, who make up a disproportionate share of youths awaiting a home, by allowing agencies to place them with parents opposed to homosexuality.

"This does not uphold anyone's moral principles," Ebbin said. "It's morally wrong."

Sen. John Edwards, D-Roanoke, said agencies that contract with the state should not be allowed to discriminate.

"You have a right to exercise religion as you see fit, but you don't have a right to impose it on someone else using state dollars," he said.

Sen. Mark Herring, D-Loudoun, said the bill conflicts with the principle that the best interest of the child is paramount.

"Neither the interests of the placement agency nor their beliefs should stand in the way," he said.

The Family Foundation of Virginia, which lobbied for the legislation, lauded the Senate's action.

"The passage of conscience protection for private child placement agencies by a bipartisan majority in the Senate is a tremendous victory for religious liberty and for the thousands of children and families around Virginia that are served by these agencies," Victoria Cobb, the foundation's president, said in a written statement.

The Child Welfare League of America had sent a letter to senators earlier in the week urging them to reject the bill, saying it would just make it more difficult to place the approximately 1,300 Virginia children waiting for a home.

"These children have been through so much already," Christine James-Brown, president of the organization, wrote. "It is cruel to deny them a secure home with a qualified family that happens to differ from the religious or moral beliefs held by a particular agency."

If either the House or the Senate approves the other chamber's bill unchanged, it will go to the governor. If either chamber amends the bill _ which seems unlikely after the Senate rejected a string of amendments proposed by Democrats on Wednesday _ it could be sent to conference committee to resolve the differences.

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#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

Studies show gay people as fully normal and functional in every way. Their only difference is their sexual partners

Most murderers are normal in every way. Except they kill people. What you say there is evidence of nothing. You sound like the defense attorney for pedophiles making exescuses. Any if you are born with your "sexual orientation" (It is really preference but I'll use your dumb word to make a point) then by following your "logic" to its conclusion, pedophiles are born that way too.

And you trying to bring race into it a red herring and ignored by all except the dumbest of the dumb and the evil.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

because, you express bigotry. Are you denying you are bigoted against homosexuals?

What you are doing is trying to recruit kids into being queer. You are telling them that it is alright when it isn't. You are a sicko.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

One os born with a predilection that imprints them with a desire for a same gender partner. It is proven by well vetted research

Mike you are stupid. You just read that in a book and it fit your mentally deranged view of the world. So you adopted it as your talking point. It isn't true. The net effect of your words are to try and recruit kids into a perversion by saying that it is ok and natural. You are a sicko.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Murderers don't function well in society. And their victims are not consenting adults.

Gay people are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society, and in how productive a member of society they are.

The only difference is in the gender preference of their consenting adult partner.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

This is why so called 'cures' of people who have no control over what fires their rocket than you do fail miserably.

Again follow your illogic to its conclusion. You are saying pedophiles can't be cured and they fail miserably. Therefore according to your logic pedophiles must be normal. Again you are trying to turn kids into freak perverts. So again I must say you are a sicko.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

Gay people are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society,

That is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with this issue. There are many wife beaters that are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society. So by your words you are hung. Applying the definition you just used you just said that wife beaters are normal and should be respected. Your brain is fried Mike. You need help real bad.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I didn't 'just read a book.' Society is changing, and being homosexual is no longer considered an affliction based on very extensive and well conducted research.

I am aware of this research as are those who are successfully working for change.

Keep your head in the sand like and ostrich and feed your irrational hatred all you want, but in the end it will get you nowhere.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

Murderers don't function well in society.

What is that supposed to mean. Murderers like queers have jobs. Murderers like queers go to church. Murderers like queers go to football and basketball games. Murderers and queers both go to the movies and eat at restaurants.

i have just demonstrated that murderers and queers can both function in society. But that doesn't mean what they do is right. It isn't right to kill someone. It isn't a natural right way to use your body and interact with another human being.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#32)

Wife beaters like murderers do not deal with consenting adult partners.

In the end you can construct no rational argument, thus you resort to name calling and epithets.

This is your problem, not mine. I don't give a damn what you want to label me with name calling.

Bullying does not work. To bad you can't seem to figure that one out.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#34)

Killing someone is not functioning well in society. Murder victims are not consenting adults.

You have proven nothing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#33)

I didn't 'just read a book.' Society is changing,

Society is changing is a weak argument too.

What is right and wrong are always the same. It doesn't matter if society is changing. When nazi Germany changed it was still wrong to murder Jews. Because America changed and legalized abortion doesn't mean it is now right to have an abortion. So just because people like you have infiltrated the minds of innocent children and sold them the hell damning lie that it is normal and good to engage in such conduct, it is still wrong.

Your arguments are that of a weak child that are easily defeated.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Killing someone is not functioning well in society. Murder victims are not consenting adults.

How is engaging in homo sex functioning well in society? If they do it in their bedroom no one would even know and it would have no bearing whatsoever on society. So you are full of shit as usual. If they do it in public it is a crime and they should be dealt with accordingly. Like I said your arguments are those of a man who builds his house on a frozen pond. When the heat comes you sink and drown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

I am not the one with a problem. You are the one with the problem, as you are pretending a very destructive behavior is OK and should be accepted. The medical data supports my position, not yours.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-12   14:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

Wife beaters like murderers do not deal with consenting adult partners.

That is another weak argument. The argument that would come from someone lying or mentally deficient. You are saying that any conduct that is engaged in by consenting people is moral and right. That isn't the case Mike. It just isn't. You can pretend it is the case but that has no bearing on reality.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

Bullying does not work. To bad you can't seem to figure that one out.

You should write the pervert that you voted for that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and tell him to quit bullying the church. They don't want to buy condoms and abortion pills for the people who work for them. Bullying will not work against the church.

Have you ever heard of the first amendment to the United States Constitution?

If you have you certainly don't support it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)

What is right and wrong is always the same, and there have always been gay people.

Trying to stop consenting adults from having the sort of sexual relationships they are imprinted with has always been a fool's errand.

You can't legislate or in any way coerce people to be what they are not. Studies show that the imprinting of sexual preference is very strong and fundamental to human nature.

Just as you cannot imagine having sex with another man and find it not the least titillating a notion does not mean someone feeling the same as you do does not constitute a rational reason to hate someone who feels just like you do, only toward the same gender.

Gay people similarly cannot imagine feeling any other way other than their nature anymore than you can.

Trying to force people to ignore something primal to their nature is always going to fail, regardless of the force used, or laws passed that are a denial of a basic truth about people.

You can't legislate what consenting adults do in the bedroom. It is a fool's errand that is always going to fail.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#42)

What is right and wrong is always the same, and there have always been gay people.

Mike there have always been murderers too.

So by an extension of your screwed up logic. Murder is also alright. Mike there is something not right about you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43) (Edited)

Mike there have always been murderers too.

So by an extension of your screwed up logic. Murder is also alright. Mike there is something not right about you.

Maybe both are the result of chemical imbalances caused by eating too many Betty Crocker "better living thru chemistry" cakes.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-12   14:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#42)

Trying to stop consenting adults from having the sort of sexual relationships they are imprinted with has always been a fool's errand.

Mike no one is trying to stop them from engaging in anything. We are trying to tell freaks with no morals that NO YOU CAN'T GET MARRIED THAT IS A MAN AND A WOMAN DUMBASS!!! If people were born that way there would be no need to try and indoctrinate people in school and now the military to accept what is wrong as right. So you dumb ass liberals can make all the dumb ass laws you want. Two queers will never be married and society by in large will never accept it.

So stay away from the kids Mike. Because if you came to my house and started telling my kids it was normal. I would beat you to a pulp.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#40)

"You are saying that any conduct that is engaged in by consenting people is moral and right."

It wouldn't be moral or right if a majority of gay people tried to force a minority of straight people to feel as they do or act in a way they prefer.

As I said, there have always been gay people, and their always will be. The sexual relationships of gay people are consenting, and to not infringe on anybody.

They function well in society, and are normal in every way. trying to say they are not because one cannot imagine having that gender preference is the expression of an irrational bias.

Irrational bias put into law is bigotry in action. The issue has sparked much research inthe issue, and the research proved the bias as unjustified, thus things are changing for the better, and bigotry against gay people is changing, and much of the irrational hatred of them is gone.

Sorry this alarms you, but the trend is unstoppable, and is not going to go away, no matter how much you wish it to.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike (#42)

You can't legislate or in any way coerce people to be what they are not.

Mike you keep using the same childish arguments.

If we make laws against being queer people are still going to do it.

If we make laws against murder people are still going to do it.

If we make laws against stealing people are still going to do it.

So just because a law will not be followed doesn't make it natural or right. It isn't hard to comprehend for anyone with a second grade education.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

The sexual relationships of gay people are consenting, and to not infringe on anybody.

Until they come on websites and proclaim that it is normal and good. Then they influence kids and should be dealt with. It should maybe a crime since you are targeting kids for recruitment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

ey function well in society, and are normal in every way. trying to say they are not because one cannot imagine having that gender preference is the expression of an irrational bias.

Mike Theives can function well in society except when they steal. So your argument is no argument at all.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#43)

"Mike there have always been murderers too."

Murder does not involve consenting adults. The behavior a murderer engages in that precipitates to murder is usually pretty damn reprehensible.

Homosexual behavior between like minded people hurts no one, and gay people are very much just as productive and well adjusted socially as straight people.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

The issue has sparked much research inthe issue, and the research proved the bias as unjustified

Mike. You are lying. There is no such research.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#49)

Stealing does not involve a consenting victims, again, this is a fallacious argument.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#45)

"Because if you came to my house and started telling my kids it was normal. I would beat you to a pulp."

Exactly how I, and my family members feel. It leaves NO room for mis- understanding Mike, except I would come after you, or any other pervert with my glock.

And if you think for one second that calling me, or any of my loved ones, your stupid dog whistle names, bigot, homophobe, or whatever, would save your sorry ass...think again chump!

Where our children are concerned you STUPID PERVERT, we'll take our chances with the 12, but sick shits such as yourself, you'll be dealing with the 6! jmho!

(Ferret Mike: "The best way to lead is by example. If we got rid of nuclear weapons, it would be profoundly easier to justify acting against other nations should they act to develop them.")

Murron  posted on  2012-02-12   14:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#50)

Murder does not involve consenting adults. The behavior a murderer engages in that precipitates to murder is usually pretty damn reprehensible.

You said right is always the same.

Right and wrong are the same for children and adults.

So you must think that pedophiles are normal if the kid is consenting.

Mike you are sick.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Ferret Mike (#52)

Stealing does not involve a consenting victims, again, this is a fallacious argument.

Like I said. Just because two people consent to something doesn't make it right.

Let me smack you down with something you think is wrong.

If bill Gates Consents to Give Mitt Romney a billion dollars to run against the perverted freak in the white house. That would be consenting adults.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Murron (#53)

Exactly how I, and my family members feel. It leaves NO room for mis- understanding Mike, except I would come after you, or any other pervert with my glock.

Not that I expect Mike would do that. I was just being theoretical.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ferret Mike (#50)

Homosexual behavior between like minded people hurts no one

Mike no matter how hard you try I will never support you being able to adopt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#51)

It is right there at the APA site, it is there in libraries both public and in those of universities, and if I went there and did a huge cut and paste of it here, no one would read it, or pay attention to it.

You need to go read it by virtue of your own effort. The fact it exists is undeniable, things would not be changing othewise.

I have been debating this issue since 1995 and I have done the citation, links and cut and paste.

But in the end that does little to change a mind like yours'.

You are smart enough to find stuff on the APA site, i an quite sure. Though if you were willing to read it and take it seriously, I might be convinced to do your work for you and once again go get links to this research material, I might.

But you are going to have to ask me to, and then promise to read it. Frankly, I don't think you have the desire, or propensity to make the effort to do this.

And the lurker base of this site is just not large enough to do this exercise just for their benefit.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#57)

"Mike no matter how hard you try I will never support you being able to adopt."

I am not gay, nor in the market to adopt.

Stop being a smart ass.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)

And the lurker base of this site is just not large enough to do this exercise just for their benefit.

How big is the lurker base?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#54)

"So you must think that pedophiles are normal if the kid is consenting."

You need maturity and seasoning to be able to form consent. Which is why there are statutory rape laws, and why pedophiles victimize.

A twenty-five year old woman having sexual relations with another twenty-five year old woman is only a big deal if you make it that way, and both people are old enough, and have enough life experience to make the choice of whom they go to bed with.

And it is not up to people like you to impress their lack of empathy or human tolerance on them to make them do otherwise.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#60)

It's your site, you tell me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#45) (Edited)

"So stay away from the kids Mike. Because if you came to my house and started telling my kids it was normal. I would beat you to a pulp."

Bad tactic trying to but me on the defensive that way. This sort of argumentative tactic just shows how much maturity you lack.

Grow up. Even were you in the same city as myself, I don't go into a house I am not invited into, and when I am at another's home, I am a good guest.

You are being beaten up argumentatively and that pisses you off so you want to wave your pecker at me and talk big talk about physical violence you should spare yourself the trouble; I am not frightened by you.

like Murron claims, I own a glock I bought a long time ago while in the Army along with several other weapons.

I would never go out and bully and assault anyone. But I am also not shy when it comes to the job of defending myself.

And if I lived in fear, i wouldn't be a political activist, or be talking on these 'chit chat' boards as buckeroo likes to call them. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:48:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#13)

You are a normaphobe and a pussyphobe.

You're a homophobe and a dipshit.

meguro  posted on  2012-02-12   17:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Why do you call us bigots?

You're not a bigot. Just a stupid dipshit who doesn't know any better.

I also suspect you're a closet gay.

meguro  posted on  2012-02-12   21:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: meguro (#65)

That is what you perverts say when you whenever anyone challenges your perverting society.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   21:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#66)

That is what you perverts say when you whenever anyone challenges your perverting society.

It's true, isn't it?

meguro  posted on  2012-02-12   23:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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