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Title: Mainstream Economics as Ideology: An Interview with Rod Hill and Tony Myatt — Part I
Source: Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012 ... ill-and-tony-myatt-part-i.html
Published: Jan 31, 2012
Author: Philip Pilkington
Post Date: 2012-01-31 10:37:50 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 2395
Comments: 4

Philip Pilkington: Your book seems to me a much needed antidote to the mainstream economics textbooks and can either be read alone or together with them. I think that’s a great approach because it allows students to become familiar with what is being taught in the classroom but also allows them to take a critical perspective on this material. So, let’s start with the format of these textbooks. In the book you say that they “cloak themselves in an aura of objectivity”. You then relate this to the fact that economics is not a value-free discipline and contains necessary ideological judgements. Could you talk about this a bit?

Tony Myatt: That’s correct. We say the texts cloak themselves with an aura of objectivity while at the same time implicitly (and repeatedly) making value judgements that reflect a particular ideology. Indeed, one of our main objectives in our Anti-Textbook is to provide overwhelming evidence of that. We believe that students subjected to the mainstream textbooks sense the bias in those texts (and the courses that rely on them) and it turns them off. They realize they are being sold something. They don’t like being bamboozled. Evidence for this is provided by the recent walkout from Mankiw’s introductory economics course. Even though the students could not elaborate very clearly the nature of the bias (in the letter they wrote explaining their actions), which unfortunately made them seem quite naive, those students were correct that the bias is there. One might say they intuitively sensed it.

Delightfully for us, Mankiw replied to these students in his New York Times column, saying “I don’t view the study of economics as laden with ideology…It is a method rather than a doctrine….a technique for thinking, which helps the possessor to draw correct conclusions.” Notice the wording he uses, “correct conclusions.” If there were “correct conclusions” to be drawn from using the economic method of thinking, there would be a consensus among economists on most positive economic questions. And while the mainstream texts always claim that such a consensus exists, the evidence suggests otherwise. I’m not just talking here about the profession’s response to the financial meltdown and the ongoing economic crisis, but even more mundane questions such as the effect on unemployment of an increase in the minimum wage. So, Mankiw is simply showing his own bias by implicitly claiming a consensus, by saying there are “correct” conclusions to be drawn.

Our perspective is that there is an ideology that pervades mainstream economics, especially in the way it is currently practiced and taught. There is an important point here: that we can distinguish between neoclassical economics itself...

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

The texts do indeed imply a sort of ‘level playing field’ between buyers and sellers in both markets for goods and services as well as in the labour market. This follows from the central place that’s given to the supply and demand model (which is “short-hand” for the perfectly competitive market).

Anti-ping to Eric the Brilliant.

Post-­Conflict Regime Type: Probability of Being a Democracy Five Years After the Conflict Has Ended; Violent Campaigns - 4%, Nonviolent Campaigns - 46%. Erica Chenoweth, Ph.D., Stanford University,

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-31   10:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#0)

So while they focus students’ attention on these powerless markets, they say little or nothing at all about the power of the wealthy, or the businesses they own, and how they can influence the ‘rules of the game’. As Ha-Joon Chang reminds us in the first chapter of 23 Things They Don’t Tell You About Capitalism, there is no such thing as a ‘free market’: all market exchange takes place within a set of rules and institutions and those matter to market outcomes. But any serious discussion of what determines them would draw attention to the links between economic and political power. It would also provide an extra reason to be concerned about the rapid growth of economic inequality in many countries.

Ahh - fomenting class warfare.

Post-­Conflict Regime Type: Probability of Being a Democracy Five Years After the Conflict Has Ended; Violent Campaigns - 4%, Nonviolent Campaigns - 46%. Erica Chenoweth, Ph.D., Stanford University,

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-31   10:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#1)

I read the synopsis, and find the content... well, let's just say it lacks any real content.

Don't ping me to any more. Everything you say, every article you post, is so diametrically opposite of reality, that you're unworthy of any consideration. It would be one thing, if you were simply ignorant. In your case, you're willfully ignorant, preferring instead to repeat the propaganda that's spoon-fed to you by talking-heads in the MSM.

Some Ann Coulter quotes detail the problem with you and miningold:

I think [women] should be armed but should not vote ... women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it ... it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-01   17:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#3)

Some Ann Coulter quotes detail the problem with you and miningold:

Says who, you?

Post-­Conflict Regime Type: Probability of Being a Democracy Five Years After the Conflict Has Ended; Violent Campaigns - 4%, Nonviolent Campaigns - 46%. Erica Chenoweth, Ph.D., Stanford University,

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-01   21:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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