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Title: On Being Governed By Scientific Frauds
Source: AT
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011 ... rned_by_scientific_frauds.html
Published: Sep 5, 2011
Author: James Lewis
Post Date: 2011-09-05 09:01:27 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 24559
Comments: 46

On Being Governed By Scientific Frauds

By James Lewis

The news leaked out a while ago that Al Gore scored a D in natural science at Harvard. That would be the science introduction for Other Majors, not difficult chemistry or calculus. So Nobel Laureate Al Gore got a D in Science for Dummies.

But don't worry. Anybody can blow a college course and still bounce back. A lot of us get it wrong the first time. Unfortunately, Al Gore didn't fix his failure. He made it much worse by peddling monstrous pseudo-science and getting even richer from it. As well as repulsively fat -- a walking metaphor for his politics.

The more I think about it, the more it looks like global warming is a deliberate attack by the postmodern (anti-science) left on science. Global Frauding attacks all the core scientific values -- of truth-telling, empirical discipline, and skepticism. Our bulging Goracle gets a lifetime grade of F for setting real science back by decades.

My guess is that during the Clinton years, Al Gore planted his ideological allies in NASA and NOAA. It could have been done through his campaign to Make Government More Efficient. After all, he was saving the planet. Gore deserved his Nobel Prize just as much as Obama did for winning while black.

Phony science has a long and terrifying history on the left. Barack Obama was also officially credited by his Harvard Law professor Larry Tribe for inventing the Einstein Theory of the U.S. Constitution. Really. You can look it up. This is so bizarre it isn't even funny.

Nothing is as toxic as a really bad idea. Hundreds of millions of dollars are still being spent in "scientific" pursuit of disaster scenarios about the earth, fiddling with infinitely variable computer models. This isn't science; the burden of proof has flipped to the skeptics, which does not happen in real science. Albert Einstein had to predict observable outcomes before his ideas were accepted. Watson and Crick had to prove the helical structure of DNA before anybody took them seriously. But in Global Frauding it's the skeptics who are supposed to prove that the latest computer model is not true. If they manage that, the crooks just make up a new computer model. It's a sort of card sharper trick. A con artist can always move faster than the suckers.

No real scientist makes a deal with Al Gore and the New York Times to get rich by peddling end-of-the-world stories. No scientist is then allowed to call those planted lies "scientific truths" until somebody can prove they're wrong. If science worked like that, Galileo would still be a pariah and the Vatican would be telling us about Ptolemaic astronomy. In real science the burden of proof is on the proposer. There are good reasons for that standard.

Three decades ago, MIT Professor Edward Lorenz became famous for his discovery of "chaotic dynamics" in weather data. Scientific theorists are still building on that breakthrough. Complex systems like the earth's atmosphere have inherent unpredictability. They are not like Newton's theory of the solar system, which allows for precise predictions. The solar system is simple because everything rotates around the biggest center of gravity, the sun. Strip out the sun, and all the planets would dance around each other like a chaotic system.

As aeronautics engineer Burt Rutan has pointed out, so-called "climate modeling" is a computer game with too many unknowns. Real scientists keep discovering unexpected climate factors; but if you don't even know your biggest variables, how can you build a model at all? It's playing Hamlet without the Prince of Denmark.

Global warming racketeers end up doing science by press release. Their models are rigged, and any time they turn out wrong, they change the model. Then they send out more press releases to equally corrupt jourNOlists, who phone in more scary headlines to the New York Times. Millions of suckered voters end up believing that the sky is falling, and they vote for socialist politicians like Obama to Save the Planet. Obama's election would "stop the rising of the seas."

The super-corrupt left keeps funneling billions in taxpayer dollars to the modeling racketeers who crank out more press releases for even scarier headlines. Human gullibility is the only known perpetual motion machine in existence. It's what liberals are always looking for: an infinitely renewable source of energy.

Global Frauding works like a huge criminal racket, and it should be subject to criminal prosecution, like Bernie Madoff. No wonder George Soros keeps funding the left out of the goodness of his heart. For him it has to be a big profit center. According to Center for Media Research, Soros has spent 48 million dollars funding media. Similar amounts of Soros money are funding all the usual fronts for the radical left, from Moveon.org to The Nation. This is going on while the major media like the New York Times are staggering toward bankruptcy. Soros and friends are buying influence on a huge scale.

For a hedge fund manipulator, that means immense clout to make and break news stories. It's a dirt-cheap investment for huge potential returns. Is Soros using his tame regiments of lefties to make more money? Do bunny rabbits make babies in the woods?

Bad ideas are toxic. It took decades for 19th-century doctors to start washing their hands, because they couldn't believe that microscopic germs might be passing on disease. It was normal for women to die in childbirth. It had been that way for centuries. Washing your hands with soap and boiled water was so laughable it wasn't worth trying. Those doctors might have had humane intentions, but they were fixated on false ideas. Any half-decent scientist knows dozens of cases like that.

Arthur C. Clarke pointed out that major scientific advances are often disputed by world-famous scientists just a few years before they are proven to be right. Wrong ideas are common among honest scientists, but it takes a very nasty mind to peddle science fraud on purpose.

Global Frauding is an assault by the postmodern left on modern science, one of the crown jewels of Western civilization. The po-mo left attacks all Western values -- which is why our museums are proud to feature works of "art" like Piss Christ.

Most of all, the postmodern left has assaulted the very concept of truth, the foremost value in science. Without honest science we would not have useful technology, and without 200 years of accumulated technology our lives would still be nasty, brutish, and short.

Global Frauding isn't science; it belongs in the long history of human folly and delusion. The Great South Sea Bubble, Florida swampland, Bernie Madoff, animal magnetism, global warming. They're all popular delusions stoked by greedy demagogues.

Scientists are not immune to greed and corruption.

The prequel to Global Frauding was yet another gift from the delusional left: Jozef Stalin's phony genetics. Led by science fraud Trofim Lysenko, Uncle Joe ordered millions of peasants to force potatoes to get bigger. Once a generation of potatoes was forced to be bigger, the mad notion was that the next generation of potatoes would inherit the genes for bigness. It was forcible labor for plants, a green version of the Siberian labor camps.

The Soviet Union lost the Cold War because it became an ant heap of lies. Everybody had to lie to survive, and the ruling class never knew who was telling the truth. Ever try to run a lemonade stand that way? How about an auto factory?

Lenin and Stalin (and Mao and all the rest) tried the same "Great Leap Forward" fantasy on human beings. Early on, the "New Soviet Man" program tried Pavlovian conditioning to transform millions of ordinary people into Heroes of Soviet Labor. And to their everlasting shame, the Western left celebrated those miraculous achievements.

The left is still delusional. Satellite photos just revealed the size of North Korean concentration camps, estimated at 200,000 prisoners. Even NPR says they are set up to work prisoners to death. So how long does it take NPR to figure out that they've been on the wrong side for all these years?

Obama's greatest intellectual flaw is his failure to understand that the radical left always leads to the abuse of force. In the process of ratcheting up statist control, human beings will start to rebel. The left keeps grasping for more and more power, and the whole story of 100 million innocent victims of Marxism has nothing to do with them.

And yet, the evidence is there, right in front of their eyes. This is not irrelevant to science, because all good science begins and ends with the truth. That's the whole point. Those who cannot face the plain truth of their own historic criminality also want to torpedo honest science. Facing the truth is the last thing the left wants to do. It would crumble of its own inner contradictions, like the Soviet Union.

Marxism itself was supposed to be "scientific." But all of its predictions turned out wrong. Normal people might learn from that experience, but the left never learns. Today, Marxism is again a slyly celebrated subject on college campuses. It makes kids and professors feel grandiose and historic.

Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Benjamin Rush were world-class scientific minds. Franklin made important strides in the study of electricity. Benjamin Rush was a pioneer in scientific medicine. Jefferson was an all-round innovator and inventor. Can any politician today stand up in that company? The United States has become the world superpower, but the quality of our leaders hasn't kept up.

Obama's attempt to revive Keynesian economics is another case of the same intellectual blind spots. Keynes himself concluded that massive deficit spending failed to cure the Great Depression. It made the hunger and poverty last longer.

On the best evidence we have, socialism failed in the post-colonial world, which is why Russia, China, and India are now following some version of capitalism. Obama's Dreams from My Father is therefore a cruel charade. Obama Sr. got things seriously wrong in Kenya, and denying that plain fact can lead only to more failures.

In ordinary science any remaining debates would be based on those facts. It's only in pseudo-science that you keep repeating a terrible idea over and over, in the face of the evidence.

The goal of science is to discover truth and to get rid of bad ideas. From that point of view, global warming is on par with the bloody tyranny of North Korea, because they are both based on well-known falsehoods. They are different degrees of corruption and malignancy, but they are both driven by socially accepted lies.

Sigmund Freud taught that reality testing was the greatest sign of sanity; all neuroses distort reality. So yes, the left is scientific in one respect -- if your science studies human delusions.

Harvard University fired President Larry Summers for daring to say that boys might have a genetic edge in pure math. Historically more than 90 percent of math geniuses have been young males. They often seem to be mildly autistic; maybe those are the lonely kids who spend their waking hours thinking about pure mathematics instead of playing baseball.

The National Science Foundation is now investing millions of dollars in large-scale experiments on little girls, to make them better at higher math. Nobody seems to be wondering if their normal sociability might be harmed as a result. Whom are those little girls going to talk to? Math whizzes devote thousands of hours to numbers and topology. Does it occur to anybody how lonely those math whizzes often are?

A century ago, left-handed kids were forced to switch to their right hands for writing. It never worked, and that nutty craze ended up with thousands of self-hating adults, who felt there was something terribly wrong with them. Just a decade ago Latino kids were forced to learn in bilingual classes in California -- when parents know that it's hard enough to learn the three Rs in only one language. Today Hispanic kids are running statistically behind the others, maybe because millions of them had to start with a handicap. It's always "idealistic" adults who inflict their nutty fixations on helpless children.

Two centuries after Jefferson, Franklin, and Benjamin Rush, we are now governed by science frauds. Just let that little fact bubble in your mind -- and then do something about it, please. If we don't do anything, nobody will. There's far too much money in scientific fraud for it to go away by itself.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

At least a 1000 homes burned last night.

South East of Austin...the 'wet' part of Texas.

Zero Containment...

Greatest Drought in Texas History.

2011 Hottest Year Ever....

LMFAO Perry's prayers go unanswered...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-05   9:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

They are not like Newton's theory of the solar system, which allows for precise predictions. The solar system is simple because everything rotates around the biggest center of gravity, the sun.

Silly article: Johannes Kepler circa ~1600 posed the orbits of the planets around the Sun with the Sun as one of the foci in an elliptical shape. Newton wasn't born for another century, circa ~1700.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-09-05   10:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#2)

From your source.

Kepler's laws are strictly only valid for a lone (not affected by the gravity of other planets) zero-mass object orbiting the Sun; a physical impossibility. Nevertheless, Kepler's laws form a useful starting point to calculating the orbits of planets that do not deviate too much from these restrictions.

Isaac Newton solidified Kepler's laws by showing that they were a natural consequence of his inverse square law of gravity with the limits set in the previous paragraph. Further, Newton extended Kepler's laws in a number of important ways such as allowing the calculation of orbits around other celestial bodies.

The past Johannes Kepler published his first two laws in 1609, having found them by analyzing the astronomical observations of Tycho Brahe.[2] Kepler did not discover his third law until many years later, and it was published in 1619.[2] At the time, Kepler's laws were radical claims; the prevailing belief (particularly in epicycle-based theories) was that orbits should be based on perfect circles. Most of the planetary orbits can be rather closely approximated as circles, so it is not immediately evident that the orbits are ellipses. Detailed calculations for the orbit of the planet Mars first indicated to Kepler its elliptical shape, and he inferred that other heavenly bodies, including those farther away from the Sun, have elliptical orbits too. Kepler's laws and his analysis of the observations on which they were based, the assertion that the Earth orbited the Sun, proof that the planets' speeds varied, and use of elliptical orbits rather than circular orbits with epicycles—challenged the long-accepted geocentric models of Aristotle and Ptolemy, and generally supported the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus (although Kepler's ellipses likewise did away with Copernicus's circular orbits and epicycles).[2]

Almost a century later, Isaac Newton proved that relationships like Kepler's would apply exactly under certain ideal conditions that are to a good approximation fulfilled in the solar system, as consequences of Newton's own laws of motion and law of universal gravitation.[3][4] Because of the nonzero planetary masses and resulting perturbations, Kepler's laws apply only approximately and not exactly to the motions in the solar system.[3][5] Voltaire's Eléments de la philosophie de Newton (Elements of Newton's Philosophy) was in 1738 the first publication to call Kepler's Laws "laws".[6] Together with Newton's mathematical theories, they are part of the foundation of modern astronomy and physics. [3]

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   10:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#0)

Phony science has a long and terrifying history on the left.

Starting with the eugenics movement during the progressive era in which tens of thousands of Americas were forcibly sterilized.

In my profession, you often run into non-technical project managers who joke that they know just enough about the technology to be dangerous.

The problem with Al Gore and most of the left is that they don't understand how very little they know. So, they think that they are being helpful, when in fact they are being extraordinarily dangerous.


The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and switchblades. -- Alice Cooper

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-05   10:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler, Jethro Tull (#4)

Starting with the eugenics movement during the progressive era in which tens of thousands of Americas were forcibly sterilized.

Some liberals and even so called conservatives still think that is a good idea.

Jethro Tull for one on the conservative side.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   10:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)

The article describes: Newton's theory of the solar system, which allows for precise predictions. The solar system is simple because everything rotates around the biggest center of gravity, the sun.

The author should have included Nicolaus Copernicus, circa ~ 1500 for the heliocentric model about the Sun.

When I read trashy articles by so-called talking heads, for either their own inaccurate discussions or pathetic and silly ideas, I close them. They are worthless to me.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-09-05   10:45:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6)

I've never heard of the guys you are talking about. I just read it and added some information because it was interesting.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   10:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

I've never heard of the guys you are talking about.

Well, of course. Since the author of this thread's article didn't describe the correct pillars of scientific thought and discovery with regard to his own discussion, how would you know unless you had prior background? What make this article even more ludicrous is it's title: On Being Governed By Scientific Frauds .... now, that is irony at its best.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-09-05   11:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#0)

This article is so full of inaccuracies is hard to know where to start. I can see why Tea Baggers would 'think' it has merit though.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   11:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold, cz82 (#9)

This article is so full of inaccuracies is hard to know where to start. I can see why Tea Baggers would 'think' it has merit though.

You know science? You're kidding right?

Ok please enlighten and educate us by correcting the flaws in this article.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   11:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Ok please enlighten and educate us by correcting the flaws in this article.

Good luck with that!!!!!

Those who believe in manmade global warming have no clue what science "Actually" is.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   11:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: CZ82 (#11)

Feel free to enlighten us.

Thanks.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-05   11:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#0)

The news leaked out a while ago that Al Gore scored a D in natural science at Harvard.

And Clemente once stubbed a toe sliding into second base.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-05   11:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#10)

You know science? You're kidding right?

Ok please enlighten and educate us by correcting the flaws in this article.

It needs to be in the opinion category since it shows no citations for any of it's assertions.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   11:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82, buckeroo (#11)

Those who believe in manmade global warming have no clue what science "Actually" is.....

I think buckeroo believes in the global warming hoax. Maybe not the man made part of the story. I guess I should let him speak for himself. Here I will ping him too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   11:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mininggold (#14)

It talks about science. I'm not too picky about the categories. Unless it is glaringly in the wrong category.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

It talks about science. I'm not too picky about the categories.

Or put it in humor...... since the author seems to have the mind of a fifth grader.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   11:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mininggold (#17)

I'm still waiting on your corrections. Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   11:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

I'm still waiting on your corrections. Please.

Don't hold your breath, I'm canning pears today.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   11:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#9)

This article is so full of inaccuracies is hard to know where to start. I can see why Tea Baggers would 'think' it has merit though.

Speaking of inaccuracies, they are called Tea Party members.....

Tea Baggers are on your side of the fence!!!!

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   11:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: CZ82 (#20)

Speaking of inaccuracies, they are called Tea Party members.....

Tea Baggers are on your side of the fence!!!!

There was only one Tea Party and you ain't it. Your 'movements' first act was to send Tea Bags to Congress, so live with it.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   11:41:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#12)

Feel free to enlighten us.

Thanks.

That's easy..... "FACTS"!!!!

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   11:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#21)

There was only one Tea Party and you ain't it. Your 'movements' first act was to send Tea Bags to Congress, so live with it.

We didn't send Barney Frank there, you guys did!!!!!

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   11:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: CZ82 (#22)

FACTS

Are CO2 concentrations high and increasing?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-05   11:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#19)

Don't hold your breath, I'm canning pears today.

I was in a certain neighborhood several years ago. Someone had a pear tree. I took home about 1/4 a small pickup truck load. I canned a ton of them. I must have had them for 7 or 8 years and they were still good. They got sweeter and better with age.

Good luck with your peaches. I just added a little sugar and water if I recall correctely.

I also like canning tomatos.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   11:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: CZ82 (#23)

We didn't send Barney Frank there, you guys did!!!!!

She doesn't understand what Tea Bagging is and how the so-called "tolerant" left, who claims to openly accept homosexuality, uses this homosexual practice as a derogatory term again the Tea Party. It's another example of her utter stupidity and the left's utter hypocrisy.


The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and switchblades. -- Alice Cooper

jwpegler  posted on  2011-09-05   11:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

I was in a certain neighborhood several years ago. Someone had a pear tree. I took home about 1/4 a small pickup truck load. I canned a ton of them. I must have had them for 7 or 8 years and they were still good. They got sweeter and better with age.

Good luck with your peaches. I just added a little sugar and water if I recall correctely.

I also like canning tomatos.

If you pick them while they are still green but full size and store them in a garage or shed, they will ripen with a more pleasing texture.

I will can anything and everything.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   12:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mininggold (#27)

I will can anything and everything.

Nothing wrong with that. In fact it is smart.

I didn't even do any tomatoes this year. We had to much rain and I didn't get the field tilled in time. My dad has some fine tomatoes though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-05   12:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: jwpegler, CZ82 (#26)

She doesn't understand what Tea Bagging is and how the so-called "tolerant" left, who claims to openly accept homosexuality, uses this homosexual practice as a derogatory term again the Tea Party. It's another example of her utter stupidity and the left's utter hypocrisy.

JWpussyboy's still afraid to speak with me directly it seems.

LOLOL. If your movement is so profound you certainly should be able to compete with a bunch of gay perverts for control of the language. But since it's made up of weaklings like yourself who are afraid to discuss the issues.......

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   12:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CZ82 (#11)

Those who believe in manmade global warming have no clue what science "Actually" is.....

I don't think ANYONE believes that. What many believe, and I am one here, is that mankind's contribution to climate change is inarguable.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-09-05   12:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: war (#24)

Are CO2 concentrations high and increasing?

A). On this website.... Yes (but then again so is the methane)

B). Is the population of humans and animals increasing..... YES

C). Are plants getting healthier/greener...... YES (If you like fruits or vegys you should be happy)...

D). Are the Leftards looking for a reason to start a war with space aliens.... YES

E). Mother nature can produce such massive amounts of CO2 naturally that makes what man makes miniscule in comparison.... YES

But if we have a long period of global cooling then the answers to A,B,C and D would be NO!!!!! And E would still be YES....

Do I think man will find away to eventually make himself extinct..... YES (and the Leftards are hard at work trying to accomplish that as we speak).....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   14:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: CZ82 (#31)

On this website.... Yes (but then again so is the methane)

According to climate science, increasing CO2 in the atmosphere MUST mean that temperatures HAVE to increase.

True or false?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

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war  posted on  2011-09-05   14:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: CZ82 (#31)

Mother nature can produce such massive amounts of CO2 naturally that makes what man makes miniscule in comparison.... YES

If ambient temperature is 31.5 degrees and androgenic activity raises that to 32.5...what happens?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

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war  posted on  2011-09-05   14:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#30)

I don't think ANYONE believes that. What many believe, and I am one here, is that mankind's contribution to climate change is inarguable.

Yes we do contribute to climate change.... But what we do is miniscule compared to what Mother Nature can accomplish when she gets perturbed....

Question--- How many volcanos would it take in the Ring of Fire (actively erupting) to throw enough gases, ash and particulate into the atmosphere to wipe out all life on the planet????

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   14:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#32)

According to climate science, increasing CO2 in the atmosphere MUST mean that temperatures HAVE to increase.

True or false?

False.... CO2 levels usually increase years if not centuries "AFTER" global temperatures have increased.... And will stay high for a period of time even after the Earth has shifted into a phase of global cooling (which we are in right now)....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   14:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CZ82 (#34)

Question--- How many volcanos would it take in the Ring of Fire (actively erupting) to throw enough gases, ash and particulate into the atmosphere to wipe out all life on the planet????

Answer: By the lack of criteria set in your question nobody could possibly know.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-05   15:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mininggold (#36)

Answer: By the lack of criteria set in your question nobody could possibly know.

It was just a "Does anybody know" type of question.... Some people are really into those type of things and I thought someone on here might know.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   15:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: jwpegler (#26)

She doesn't understand what Tea Bagging is and how the so-called "tolerant" left, who claims to openly accept homosexuality, uses this homosexual practice as a derogatory term again the Tea Party. It's another example of her utter stupidity and the left's utter hypocrisy.

They just don't like admitting to their own deviant behavior, blame it on someone else is their motto.....

Rules for Leftards #15). I know the truth but would rather deny it or ignore it....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-05   16:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: CZ82 (#35) (Edited)

False.... CO2 levels usually increase years if not centuries "AFTER" global temperatures have increased....

And yet deniers continually misrepresent climate scientists as characterizing the androgenic affect on CO2 levels, temperature and climate as "TRUE".

(which we are in right now).

You're a moron if you believe that. Seriously. A moron.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-05   17:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: CZ82 (#35)

If ambient temperature is 31.5 degrees and androgenic activity raises that to 32.5...what happens?

Am I going to get an answer to the above?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-05   17:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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