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Title: Christians Blast Bloomberg For Not Inviting God To 9/11 Memorial Ceremony
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URL Source: http://gothamist.com/2011/08/24/chr ... ns_blast_bloomberg_for_not.php
Published: Aug 25, 2011
Author: gothamist
Post Date: 2011-08-25 12:12:01 by Brian S
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The atheists aren't the only ones making a stink about the goings-on at Ground Zero; the former Deputy Mayor under Rudy Giuliani is lambasting Mayor Bloomberg for excluding religion from the upcoming 10th anniversary ceremony at the World Trade Center. "This is America, and to have a memorial service where there's no prayer, this appears to be insanity to me," Rudy Washington tells the Wall Street Journal. "I feel like America has lost its way." Bloomberg has never let spiritual leaders hold prayers or sermonize at any of the annual 9/11 gatherings, but Washington, who organized an interfaith ceremony at Yankee Stadium after the attack in 2001, says he's "very upset" Bloomberg isn't making an exception this year (it being the diamond anniversary and all). And Washington's not the only God-fearing fulminator: City Council Member Fernando Cabrera, a pastor at New Life Outreach International in the Bronx, says he's just plain "shocked" the clergy isn't on the list. To be fair, it is quite an exclusive event this year; even Chris Christie had to practically beg to get a plus-one. "There are hundreds of important people that have offered to participate over the last nine years, but the focus remains on the families of the thousands who died on Sept. 11," Evelyn Erskine, a mayoral spokeswoman, tells the Journal. That's a very diplomatic statement, but we all know the real reason is the mayor doesn't want the headache of another atheist lawsuit.
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Are you serious? No you can not be a serious thinker. You do know that I am Sioux and Cherokee... right? I am also NOT an Indian, that is such a bunch of PC crap. "Indeginious Indian" is also PC crap, fool~ and shows a total lack of understating. Indians are from India. Get it right.. Tribal people are called by the tribe and their clan. I am Sioux, Cherokee and a Highlander of Scotland, and my ancestors were in the Sudbury Militia , at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. I know exactly what they were fighting about. Step off, buck. You are a real fool sometimes. PC- Indians- who know better.. (Pleaseeeee) Fool.
Since you want to answer your own rhetorical questions, I should allow you to continue wondering about my truthful statements. But, I won't let you keep hanging. This idea that "God is Good" under the condition that a creator is entirely faith based within say, the Christian faith or the Muslim faith or the Buddhist faith or the Hindu faith et al., is foolish to consider for most serious or critical thinking people. Now, don't misunderstand my viewpoint: religious faith in a creator is important to each and everyone but the idea that any single faith is more genuine, "godlike", divine and so forth is silly to me. The history of the Christian faith is filled with hate-mongering more so than any other religion on the planet. It attempts to subject everyone to its interpretation of the creator and the fundamental purpose of mankind's being. And, you can verify this statement through the Holy Bible and where the Bible leaves off from "Revelations" the history of Man takes over from there to the present time. The subjugation of land and peoples throughout history is as much a part of the Christian faith as it is today. I am afraid, although you are a devout Christian, that you just don't know what you are talking about.
As I said buck, you are a fool. You let the Devil keep you on the reservation, where you are confined and easily led.. and a victim of your own victimhood. You have no ability to discern truth from fiction. Religion is indeed responsible for much violence throughout the history of the world. But I am not talking about religion. I don't have a religion. No one in my family tree had a religion that I am aware of.... Faith is something you do not know about from your ancestral origins, from your knowledge of American history, from your knowledge of the Bible, from your knowledge of Jesus, or from your ability to have a critical thought. The proof is in the pudding. My family tree is full of outrageous blessings and prosperity and good health ,for hundreds of years-and I believe, like they believed, that it is because we have favor with God. Anyone can have favor with God, if they so choose. Seems you choose NOT to have favor- and much of your ancestry chose NOT to have favor. I know exactly what I am talking about. You are a victim of revisionist history.
So, the love of the Christian God, spreading joy and good cheer around the world because of the central thrust of manifest destiny is revisionist? Have you ever studied any attribute or the ramifications of and about the Christian faith over the last 2000 years? Or any others? Now, despite two consecutive posts by yourself to show how exceptional your own family is does not discount the world wide influences that religion has played out upon ALL civilization. In the case of modern America, the Christian faith imposes a fundamental political force into international policies and that same religious force has gotten America into a lot of trouble, today.
Firstly, there is one God. The major religions of the world are talking about the same God, the God of Abraham. Christ followers are disciples of Jesus Christ. Jesus, was a human, who had a three year ministry- over 2,000 years ago- who walked the Earth and told us HOW to worship the God of Abraham. He died on a cross, from a horrible death- because humans were manipulating the word of God, for their own greed and power. Jesus was willing to die a death, that was so horrific- and is remembered over 2,000 years later- so that people like you could hear about how much he didn't want humans to manipulate the word of God. That doesn't mean that *religious* people are all going to stop- BUT someone will come along one day and tell you to disregard the *religious* and go open a Bible for yourself. AND someone just did. Most world religions recognize Jesus as a great man and a great prophet, at the very least. Where we disagree is how much credibility he has as having been born of the spirit of God. Go and google the book of Romans and start reading. Christ followers believe he was directly given to us, by the hand of God and filled with GOd, to teach us how to worship God. Those of us who believe that have been blessed and healed beyond measure- so figure that one out. WHy do you think people are willing to die, to stand up for the name of Jesus. (Because we know the blessings and where they come from). Ask yourself why people would choose actual, painful death- over renouncing the name of Jesus? And not just a few people, either.. Some people, in history chose to be nailed to a cross and left to die- rather than renounce Jesus. That is historical fact.. not fantasy. It is Jesus, who is the one who tells us to give up religion, and who rebukes the religious leaders- and tells us to go straight to him- and love one another, because that is what God wants. Jesus is the one who was led to the slaughter by the religious- because he was taking their power way. Educate yourself. Jesus was a rebel and a free thinker- whose sole purpose was to set our spirits free from the destructive manipulations of other humans- who did not, themselves, understand the character of God, and did not love us. I am sorry that you do not understand that humans will try to manipulate you with all sorts of labels and words and fancy ceremonies called religion. I am sorry that you do not open a Bible and read it for yourself and find that Jesus is not the person you have been led to think he is. That shows your laziness and your foolishness to not find out for yourself, WHO Jesus is and what he was saying. But that is not the case for every American. Some of us get it. Don't blame us for our prosperity and peace. You could have it too. Bibles are free in most places- you can research online for yourself- and yet you continue to repeat your ignorance, and be held captive to other people's thoughts on the matter. AND you will die that way, into meaninglessness- because you never took the time to think for yourself.
Please show this statement more clearly as I am truly impressed with your statement. Interesting summary. I would watch out for Christian zealots to smack you down on this statement, if I were you. He was? Exactly how do you know this? You are very kind when you want to be and thank you for the recommendation. I regard most of the Holy Bible as a family summarary wherein someone begat someone else and then begat someone else... I become bored. I can't today, too busy. That is very nice. I think it is a good idea too as they need a model for self-emulation. Beats me. Other than their convictions are fairely substantial. Didn't you enjoy the historical fact about the Spanish Inquisitions? Well, tell all the Christian believers to quit going to church on Sunday then. That should stop the devil right there at the pulpit! Well, I am educating myself about you.... that is a fact. He was kinda pissed, actually. What makes you think you are not manipulated? I can't today. I suppose my laziness shines right on through, correct? I am sure I have a Holy Bible around here, someplace, right next to the Book of Mormon and Bhagavad G+t and The Egyptian Book of the Dead and a few others. One way or another, I think everyone gasps for their last breath of aire on this planet Earth. I note: not even Jesus Christ got out of here alive.
As I said, buck, you need to educate yourself. I can not do that for you. You have got to get some skin in the game on your own. Stop being so passive. Do some research. If you have a question, reason it out and think- and discover and learn and grow. I could not care less what anyone else thinks about what I say or write. Not sure if this is the first post of mine that you have read- but that is pretty clear in my ten year history of posting on these chit chat channels. I live to please God- not you or anyone else. So people can try to smack me down and I would not even notice. :) You are a victim of other people's thoughts, and you are stuck. You can not even pick up a Bible and read it in the privacy of your own home- out of fear of what other people would think of you! You are also limiting your experience on this planet, out of fear , from the idea of thinking for yourself. Right or wrong- you would at least be DOING something. You are a follower. How could I be manipulated by coming up with my ideas- based upon my own experiences? That is so silly. Get out and live and think and read- and talk to people and compare evidence, and experiment and go back to the drawing board.. and experience life and interact with people, and figure this stuff out. Take chances- make mistakes and live. Fall down, get up and try again. Time is wasting. You got one chance... and FWIW- Jesus is, indeed alive. Know anyone else who can instill such passion in people- 2,000 years after he walked the earth in the flesh? Get a Bible and start reading and set yourself free.
You are quite the Internet evangelist, aren't you?
One last point, buck... you should at the very least read the gospel of John, before you die. Here is one of many links- don't like this- find your own- or just get a Bible and read it there. www.thatyoumightknow.com/gospel-of-john/ If you have questions, and want to talk about that- you could find a local pastor to talk to, or anyone online who has stood up for God- and ask your questions. You should at least give it an honest chance- before you go around denouncing Christ- and telling people what God has and has not done- as if you are some expert on what Christians do and do not believe. Read it for yourself and ask your own questions, from your own thought process- based upon your own experiences. Otherwise you are just another lazy fool.
Nowhere did Buck "denounce Christ". "His" followers may be another story...
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Thanks for the advice. I want to know how you feel about Hagee, Palin and Beck. That would be helpful to move the discussion back towards topic.
I hope you take the advice, buck. AND Back on topic? I was addressing your posts- do you now want to introduce a new topic? :) That is silly, but ok. I love Glenn Beck, and would hang out with him. I love his over the top passion, and he makes me laugh. I love his bravado, because I like that in men- I like that he has had a full life and has some interesting stories- I like that he is an entertainer- and he entertains me. I like that he has turned his life around from a bad place. I like that he gets American history like I do. I don't watch him on TV, because I don't watch TV, but on occasion I will read his posts. Not a big fan of Sarah, altho I like her bravado and I like that she stands for something. I would not vote for her for president, because I don't think she has enough worldly experience. I think she is a talking head, and pretty good at that according to her ratings, BUT her voice annoys me- so I don't listen. I don't know who Hagee is.
Hagee is BOTH Palin's and Beck's religious mentor. In fact, Hagee and Beck are in Israel right now talking about how Israel should steal all the land the zionists want from Palestine territories in the name of Jesus Christ, AMEN. Makes you feel real good, doesn't it?
What that says about you is much. The [ir]Reverand John Hagee is a cheat and a serial adulterer...which also means that he's an evenagelical Christian who influeces Beck, Palin et al.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Well, I don't think I can really trust your take on it, since you just have an agenda and lack wisdom- BUT do I think the palies could use a bit more Jesus?? Ummm.. yes, I do. I think everyone can use a bit more Jesus. Anyway, Glen Beck is a pretty handsome guy. He is fun to look at- prolly fun to hang out with- and since he is not my personal god, he can all as many opinions as he wants to have- and I don't need to read them all. If you don't worship Mr. Beck- then what do you care what he thinks, and who his mentors are? He is just a guy. If you don't like him, don't tune in to hear what he has to say. He has no power over you. Only the power you give him. Seems like you are worshiping at the wrong alter and bowing your knee to the wrong cat- buck. Until you stand for something- you will fall for anything.
Makes you feel real good, doesn't it? Warm and fuzzy comes to mind...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
First, I don't worship any man. But, more than that, these Christian evangelicals are attempting to ensure US taxpayers continue to pay for the safety and assurance of Israel. In fact, more than ever, I am sure of it and I might add ANYONE associated with the TEA Party. For years, I have seen through their make-believe world of a strong national defense while diminishing America's own internal capabilities. And look at us today: the TEA Party says little about US national involvement around the world as we peddle bullets and soldiers to anyone that needs US help. Meanwhile, Beck is in Israel ensuring a "voice of reason" about the Christian principles to defend Jerusalem against enemies. He is begging for a war. Palin is almost on the same page as Beck, BTW. And don't forget her religious groupies in the TEA Party.
I find comfort in the fact that every time Palin opens her mouth she marginalizes herself.
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I think Beck is as ugly as HELL. Here are opinions from others about is loving excursion: Arab Israeli lawmaker Ahmed Tibi warned that Beck's tour could provoke violence, calling him "a neo-fascist comedian who is motivated by a hatred of Islam." Beck's visit reflects the partnership between conservative Israelis and some American Christian groups. So-called Christian Zionist groups and evangelical churches, such as Texas-based John Hagee Ministries, donate millions of dollars to help fund settlement construction in the West Bank and support Israel.
Over a year and half ago, she didn't even have to that: that every time Palin opens her mouth she marginalizes herself. She went to the National TEA Party convention in March of 2010 with her I love Israel FIRST! lapel pin prominently displayed as she spoke to hundreds in the audience, some paying thousands of dollars just to attend. What kind of REAL American needs that stuff? I want an American who boldly says I LOVE AMERICA FIRST! but that is too much to ask for anymore. All we get are cheap sell-outs cloaking political power in religious dogma and zealousness.
Amen...
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Read it for yourself and ask your own questions, from your own thought process- based upon your own experiences. Otherwise you are just another lazy fool. To: buckeroo "You do know that I am Sioux and Cherokee... right? I am also NOT an Indian, that is such a bunch of PC crap. "Indeginious Indian" is also PC crap, fool~ and shows a total lack of understating. Indians are from India. Get it right.. Tribal people are called by the tribe and their clan. I am Sioux, Cherokee and a Highlander of Scotland, and my ancestors were in the Sudbury Militia , at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. I know exactly what they were fighting about. Step off, buck. You are a real fool sometimes. PC- Indians- who know better.. (Pleaseeeee) Fool."~ diva betsy ross buckeroo "As I said buck, you are a fool. You let the Devil keep you on the reservation, where you are confined and easily led.. and a victim of your own victimhood."~ diva betsy ross Matthew 5:22 (King James) "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." What you are doing here is pronouncing a judgement upon another persons soul, condeneming buckeroo (or anyone who crosses you), in a tone that outright curses them, in the matter of their hearts, something of which you know absolutely nothing about. And that is God's exclusive territory, not yours. Who are you to come onto to these sites, presuming to know the mind of GOD, and His judgement upon each of these individuals you've never met in your life, know nothing about the lives they lead, and especially, you know ZIP about their personal relationship with HIM, but think you know it all? Only GOD Himself has that power! Jesus was speaking the truth when HE said : "There is none righteous....no not one." Not even you! You would do well to worry about your own soul and salvation and leave other's to theirs, I've seen talk such as yours lead many away from Christ instead of towards HIM, and does make you responsible for that persons soul. We all do foolish things, say foolish things in our lifetime, but it not your place to you to publically curse them, label them FOOLS, only GOD Himself knows who the real FOOLs are, and He does not share his power over man with the likes of you! JMHO!
Little Lady Foo Foo's place in heaven is so assured [in her mind] that she's already picked out her curtains and china pattern...
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Hot stuff!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Well- assuming you are a hetrosexual male- of course you think he is ugly! That would be logical. Truth it is rare to find a truly handsome man. Glenn Beck really is a handsome guy. I completely support Israel. I am not at all surprised or offended that Glen Beck does as well. I would absolutely love to see this part of the world have a peaceful resolution, FWIW. I hope they can settle their differences without one drop of blood shed. As far as evangelizing that part of the world- I, personally believe that is a very good idea. I have already said that I believe that everyone needs a little more Jesus. Even I need a little more Jesus. FWIW_ Netty is a good man, but he is NOT a follower of Christ (yet)- so it is illogical to place this stuff at the feet of Jesus. Jesus Christ is not even in that area of the world in leadership!! As far as Glenn goes- as I said, if you do not worship him, why does it matter what he says and who his mentors are? Why does he have this power over your thoughts? You are attracted to him so strongly that you can not let him exist without your knowledge of his ideas?
To be on the safe side, she best make sure they're 'flame retardant'...&;-)
:) And anyone who is not a believer, and uses the Bible to condemn a believer is in a very dangerous place. Anyway- in that parable, it does speak about calling your *brother* a fool. (Which I did not do) . How can buck be my brother in Christ, when he does not accept Jesus in the first place? Read 2Timmothy. :) That should clear it up for you.
Tell me how you define his handsomeness more accurately so that I can measure your opinion more closely. I am curious now. Does this mean you don't support arbitration about Palestinian and Israel conflicts? I recognize your faith considerations but what I don't recognize is your apparent steadfast opinion that America MUST support Israel. Hasn't America supported Israel for some 60+ years? You aren't listening to me nor have you read the hot-linked discussion critical of him. He is stirring an international issue BIG_TIME! I am through with you on this thread. Don't bother pinging me anymore.
Wait- you ask me questions.. THEN you invite me to an argument- THEN you say you are done with me and not to respond. buck- buck....buck.. What to do with you. In all seriousness- this is just political chit chat. Disagreeing with people is not a crime, nor should it be this offensive to you. People have free will. Use yours to explore your spirituality and THEN what Glen Beck does and believes will be meaningless to you.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I seem to recall something along the lines "judge not, lest ye be judged". Maybe Bucky will give his thoughts on JC vs organized religion? Don't let your halo get tarnished!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I hope that Little Lady Foo Foo remembers that when she packs for the Rapture to not forget a quality make-up. The only thing unforgiving about Heaven is the lighting.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Well, you would have to famialiarize yourself with the Bible and ministory of Jesus to understand. That is really all I can offer about your confusion. You, too, can go online and read and go to friends, family and clergy and ask your questions. I will give you this tho, it is almost impossible to understand the lessons of the Bible, unless you are a believer. Buck can not be my brother in Christ, if he has not accepted Christ. I am not judging his heart. I am stating a fact. AND as I said, the explanation to my response is in 2Timothy. Considering that buck has condemned my thoughts and posts on the idea of condemning organized religion in favor of Jesus , I would say that he he doesn't understand the difference between Jesus Christ and organized religion. That would be sort of logical. Jesus never told his follower to throw logic out the window. In fact he told us to be wise, to discern the origins of spirits, and to rebuke those who needed to be rebuked. :) It is in the Bible. Go and read it.
As a woman you are supposed to dote on Bucky's every word, donchaknow?. I don't see where he's denied Jesus though. I see it more as him just hassling those who call themselves Christians that IMHO he rightly blames for a large part of this country's current predicament.
Well, yeah war... that is what saved means. There is a place in heaven, the name is in the book of life- with the angels. Billions of people , in the history of the world know that being saved and born again, means a ticket Heaven and a joy filled life on Earth.. you knew that right? You have, of course, read the Bible.. I am sure- and therefore you understand the ramifications of your constant need for revenge against those who don't worship you- and your harassment and mockery of other posters. Peace be with you and best wishes for dealing with what you face and endure. Of course you could be saved too, Jesus even died for you- but you seem to be saying you are too smart for that. SO be it. Good luck then.
Hmm.. I am confident that you have no understanding of the Bible. Just another person who is held captive. Owned by the thoughts of other people. If buck has been saved, by the grace of God- through the blood of Jesus Christ- than that is just wonderful. I would think he would have spoken out about that by this point. But I could be wrong. Lets hear him say it, and I will call him brother and retract my posts on his standing as a child of God. I would be pleased to do that and would rejoice for buck to be saved.
There's so many Christians who act like their religion is a one way street.
You remind me of the pathetic person who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Rebuking your fellow man is what you do best, so much so, that you have totally ignored all the other teachings of Christ, especially His love of man, all men. You are a Hypocrate, Lukewarm (look it up), and ignorant of GODS LOVE, and just as much a sinner in the eyes of GOD as those you rebuke. We all, believers and nonbelievers, fall short of HIS grace, and should ask forgiveness everyday of our lives, not just one day a week. GOD does not favor you above anyone else, least of all his children who sin, He has always loved us, even when non of us loved HIM, who are you to preach differently of HIS love, who are you to presume to know the mind of GOD, who are you to cherry pick who our brothers are, and who are not? You are just as lost as those you condemn, you just don't know it yet. There is absolutely NOTHING in the teachings of our Lord that tells us that sinners are not our BROTHERS, this is just a vain attempt on your part to think you are a member of an exclusive club, and all outsiders should be shunned. Paul tells us that we should never boast (something you excel in) "except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said that we should not act like we are morally superior to be noticed by others, and even indicated that doing such behavior would remove one's reward in heaven, a lesson you still have not learned. Christians, those who truley understand what GOD expects of us, who act as if they are better than everyone else are certainly not living by the creeds of Christianity, and may not even be Christians at all, you really should be doing some soul searching yourself, you are just as lost as any sinner by your public actions, here and other areas. Christianity says that all people are sinners, and none can be righteous on the basis of their own behavior. Jesus said that we should not act like we are better than others just to get noticed. Such a "holier-than-thou" attitude is strongly condemned in the Bible, and to this day, you have no clue. You show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it says buckeroo, or any sinner, is not your BROTHER, and I'll back off! JMHO!
Well, find one of those people and talk to them about it. I don't have a religion and my faith, and my relationship with God, is not a one way street, in the least. God is with me everyday, everywhere. I believe there are many mis-informed people on this thread- and you are but one. What the religious do is not my concern, because I have a faith in God. I pray for people, sure. I pray for others to find the blessings I have found. I want everyone to have the same blessings and peace and gifts. I want you all to get into Heaven. I will be glad to tell you about it. First of all tho, you have to accept that you have little understanding and no wisdom- right now. At the very least- you need to know that in the book of Romans, it says: Call on the name of the Lord and be saved. I would be more than happy if each and every one of you did that right now and receive even bigger and better blessings than I have. I am telling you- you do not understand what you think you understand.
Wow...there is something, dare I say, SEXY, about you when those little puffs of smoke spew forth from your ears... See...even though you were nasty to me I still said something nice about you... MT5:39
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DBR>> I will be glad to tell you about it. First of all tho, you have to accept that you have little understanding and no wisdom- right now. Silly goose you're supposed to worship Diva, not Bucky!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
How can buck be my brother in Christ, when he does not accept Jesus in the first place? That is the absolute biblical TRUTH. ALL of our Lord's admonitions about behavior towards "each other" refer ONLY to our behaviors towards fellow CHRISTIANS. Heathens are NOT our "brothers" or "sisters" in FAITH, in JESUS. Of course we should treat heathens in as fair and humane a way as we can. BUT that does not mean that we Christians need to pander to heathen's sensibilities. Especially when they are acting FOOLISHLY or in an EVIL way. Not PC. But TRUE nonetheless.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
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#21. To: diva betsy ross (#20)
Are you serious? No you can not be a serious thinker.
#22. To: buckeroo (#21)
#23. To: diva betsy ross (#22)
You are a victim of revisionist history.
#24. To: buckeroo (#23)
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#25. To: diva betsy ross (#24)
Firstly, there is one God. The major religions of the world are talking about the same God, the God of Abraham.
Christ followers are disciples of Jesus Christ. Jesus, was a human, who had a three year ministry- over 2,000 years ago- who walked the Earth and told us HOW to worship the God of Abraham. He died on a cross, from a horrible death- because humans were manipulating the word of God, for their own greed and power.
Jesus was willing to die a death, that was so horrific- and is remembered over 2,000 years later- so that people like you could hear about how much he didn't want humans to manipulate the word of God.
That doesn't mean that *religious* people are all going to stop- BUT someone will come along one day and tell you to disregard the *religious* and go open a Bible for yourself. AND someone just did.
Most world religions recognize Jesus as a great man and a great prophet, at the very least. Where we disagree is how much credibility he has as having been born of the spirit of God. Go and google the book of Romans and start reading.
Christ followers believe he was directly given to us, by the hand of God and filled with GOd, to teach us how to worship God.
Those of us who believe that have been blessed and healed beyond measure- so figure that one out. WHy do you think people are willing to die, to stand up for the name of Jesus. (Because we know the blessings and where they come from).
It is Jesus, who is the one who tells us to give up religion, and who rebukes the religious leaders- and tells us to go straight to him- and love one another, because that is what God wants. Jesus is the one who was led to the slaughter by the religious- because he was taking their power way.
Educate yourself.
Jesus was a rebel and a free thinker- whose sole purpose was to set our spirits free from the destructive manipulations of other humans- who did not, themselves, understand the character of God, and did not love us.
I am sorry that you do not understand that humans will try to manipulate you with all sorts of labels and words and fancy ceremonies called religion.
I am sorry that you do not open a Bible and read it for yourself and find that Jesus is not the person you have been led to think he is.
That shows your laziness and your foolishness to not find out for yourself, WHO Jesus is and what he was saying. But that is not the case for every American. Some of us get it. Don't blame us for our prosperity and peace. You could have it too.
Bibles are free in most places- you can research online for yourself- and yet you continue to repeat your ignorance, and be held captive to other people's thoughts on the matter.
AND you will die that way, into meaninglessness- because you never took the time to think for yourself.
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
#27. To: diva betsy ross (#26)
#28. To: buckeroo (#25)
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#29. To: diva betsy ross, buckeroo (#28)
You should at least give it an honest chance- before you go around denouncing Christ
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#30. To: diva betsy ross (#28)
#31. To: buckeroo (#30)
#32. To: diva betsy ross (#31)
#33. To: diva betsy ross, buckeroo (#31)
I don't know who Hagee is.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#34. To: buckeroo (#32)
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#35. To: buckeroo (#32)
in the name of Jesus Christ, AMEN.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#36. To: diva betsy ross, war (#34)
If you don't worship Mr. Beck- then what do you care what he thinks, and who his mentors are?
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#38. To: diva betsy ross, war (#34)
Anyway, Glen Beck is a pretty handsome guy.
If this is the only kind of friend Israel's government can find around the world, that's a very poor sign," said Yariv Oppenheimer, secretary-general of Peace Now, the Israeli anti-settlement group. "It's a reflection on our current leadership that instead of having the world on our side, we can only get someone like Glenn Beck."
#39. To: war (#37)
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#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#41. To: diva betsy ross, buckeroo, A K A Stone, ALL (#28)
"You should at least give it an honest chance- before you go around denouncing Christ- and telling people what God has and has not done- as if you are some expert on what Christians do and do not believe.
#42. To: Murron (#41)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#43. To: Murron, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#41)
whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#44. To: buckeroo (#38)
#45. To: war (#42)
Little Lady Foo Foo's place in heaven is so assured [in her mind] that she's already picked out her curtains and china pattern...
#46. To: hondo68 (#43)
#47. To: diva betsy ross (#44)
Truth it is rare to find a truly handsome man. Glenn Beck really is a handsome guy.
I completely support Israel. I am not at all surprised or offended that Glen Beck does as well. I would absolutely love to see this part of the world have a peaceful resolution, FWIW. I hope they can settle their differences without one drop of blood shed. As far as evangelizing that part of the world- I, personally believe that is a very good idea.
I have already said that I believe that everyone needs a little more Jesus. Even I need a little more Jesus. FWIW_ Netty is a good man, but he is NOT a follower of Christ (yet)- so it is illogical to place this stuff at the feet of Jesus. Jesus Christ is not even in that area of the world in leadership!!
As far as Glenn goes- as I said, if you do not worship him, why does it matter what he says and who his mentors are?
Why does he have this power over your thoughts? You are attracted to him so strongly that you can not let him exist without your knowledge of his ideas?
#48. To: buckeroo (#47)
#49. To: diva betsy ross, buckeroo (#46)
How can buck be my brother in Christ, when he does not accept Jesus in the first place?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#50. To: hondo68, diva betsy ross, buckeroo (#49)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#51. To: hondo68 (#49)
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#52. To: diva betsy ross (#48)
Wait- you ask me questions.. THEN you invite me to an argument- THEN you say you are done with me and not to respond.
#53. To: war (#42)
#54. To: mininggold (#52)
#55. To: diva betsy ross (#54)
I am confident that you have no understanding of the Bible. Just another person who is held captive. Owned by the thoughts of other people.
#56. To: diva betsy ross (#51)
In fact he told us to be wise, to discern the origins of spirits, and to rebuke those who needed to be rebuked. :) It is in the Bible. Go and read it.
#57. To: mininggold (#55)
#58. To: diva betsy ross (#54)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#59. To: mininggold, buckeroo, diva betsy ross, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#52)
As a woman you are supposed to dote on Bucky's every word, donchaknow?.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#60. To: diva betsy ross, hondo68 (#46)
Anyway- in that parable, it does speak about calling your *brother* a fool. (Which I did not do) .
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