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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... -man-drown-due-to-budget-cuts/
Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
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Views: 147005
Comments: 179
Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him. The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself. A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job. City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it. This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.
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#63. To: lucysmom (#62)
Nope, I just don't want to have to pay for a service (government monopoly schools) that don't work and have failed the country and our children.
I think he's saying that if he doesn't use the public schools he shouldn't be taxed for them, but I could be wrong.
This has nothing do to with you, but I have bent over backwards numerous times on this site gluing together evidence for my assertions so that I could try to show the opposition the facts. Every single time, the opposition just dismissed the evidence and went back to their partisan talking points. So, I'm not going to bend over backwards any more because there isn't any point in doing so. I'm on this site because I learn things from certain people and I hope that they learn things from me. If the brain dead politicos like Lusysmom and Maddog don't learn squat, I really don't care.
Okay, now we know what you don't want, how about telling us what you do want.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Every single time, the opposition just dismissed the evidence and went back to their partisan talking points. That's the way it is for everybody. No one here will ever be convinced of anything they don't already believe. That's why this is just a chat site for entertainment purposes only, and nothing more.
Choice. It's a word you should know. Unfortunately, you only apply it to one thing.
Yes, but I've also learned a few things from some people. Why? Because I was open to learn. Most people are closed and won't learn anything. It's tragic.
It's a word you should know. How would that choice look? There is choice now, it's just not acceptable to you.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Only for the very wealthy who can afford to pay the bills of two schools at once.
So like with all "services" provided by the private economy those with more money should get better and more health care and education. And if you can't afford it you are sh** out of luck. Is that what you are sayin?
Again, how would choice look to you? I'm beginning to think you're avoiding answering the question.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
What you are saying is that we all get craped on, except for the politically connected organizations who get the Obama healthcare waivers. I'll take CHOICE in the free market over unscrupulous politicians 100% of the time.
Where's this free market you keep talking about?
It started to die when you Regressives took over in the 1910s and fundamentally changed what the founders put in place. It died even more under Hoover and Roosevelt. It's death has hastened in the 1960s and 70s under LBJ and Nixon. It died more under Bush and Obama. It's almost dead today. But, freedom is still alive in the hearts of true human beings. We will bring it back.
Your utopia is reaching its inevitable conclusion. An example? Now that food stamps are needed by more people, food stamp money is being cut. See lucysmom, once those paying for you freeloaders quit paying, you're fucked. And it is happening now. In more and more places, and more and more often. Enjoy it.
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The current private system has failed with 50 million uninsured. I guess you want to add to it by getting rid of the government's role.
There isn't any private system today. Government accounts for about 50% of health care dollars spent today and regulates 100%. These are undeniable facts. Government has f*cked the current system up and then blames the "free market". There is no free market in healthcare. That's the problem.
Government accounts for about 50% of health care dollars spent today and regulates 100%. So you take away government subsidies from the poor and elderly putting millions of people into uninsured category you are going to suddenly lower costs AND cover all those people?
I am sure it will be no problem covering those 50 million who are uninsured magically with the wave of a "free" market hand.
That's an assumption on your part and you know what is said about that.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
(stupid cunt)Okay, now we know what you don't want, how about telling us what you do want. He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt.
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Cover them with your money, not mine, you thief.
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And yet he admires Singapore's health care system in whigh government plays a significant role. * There are mandatory health savings accounts: “Individuals pre-save for medical expenses through mandatory deductions from their paychecks and employer contributions… Only approved categories of medical treatment can be paid for by deducting one’s Medisave account, for oneself, grandparents, parents, spouse or children: consultations with private practitioners for minor ailments must be paid from out-of-pocket cash…” * “The private healthcare system competes with the public healthcare, which helps contain prices in both directions. Private medical insurance is also available.” * Private healthcare providers are required to publish price lists to encourage comparison shopping. * The government pays for “basic healthcare services… subject to tight expenditure control.” Bottom line: The government pays 80% of “basic public healthcare services.” * Government plays a big role with contagious disease, and adds some paternalism on top: “Preventing diseases such as HIV/AIDS, malaria, and tobacco-related illnesses by ensuring good health conditions takes a high priority.” * The government provides optional low-cost catatrophic health insurance, plus a safety net “subject to stringent means-testing.” * Almost all care is subject to significant co-pays. It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Yeah if someone dies prematurely because of some medical condition that wasn't treated it is no "skin" off your back. F'em... Right?
(stupid cunt)That's an assumption on your part and you know what is said about that. You're a moron. Enjoy the collapse. And know that there are people who will cut your, and lucy's, throat for the food you have, when it comes. They will be the same ones who think they have a right to medical care you pay for, think they have a right to your food, or whatever else of yours they want. And were I to see it happening, I wouldn't lift a finger to stop it.
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If you're so fucking upset about it, you pay for them, you fucking thief.
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Did jwpegler appoint you to be his mouth piece?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
That might be you someday who is unfortunate to have some serious accident and run out of money and then can't afford treatment. Hope you have someone to help ya or else you too might be f****d
Did jwpegler appoint you to be his mouth piece? Fuck you! I said "He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt." Any comment on that? Didn't think so.
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You fucking PRICK!!!! You have NO idea who I've helped, with how much money, in their times of need. It's THIEVES like you who DEMAND that money be stolen from OTHERS to pay for YOUR ideals that are RUINING this country. Again fuckhead, I say, if you want to help someone, DO IT WITH YOUR MONEY, NOT MINE!!
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I said "He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt." Any comment on that? Didn't think so. It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Stone, lucy's a cunt. She didn't call you in the first time (my post#83), but once I point out she's avoiding the question, all of a sudden she's insulted and calling you in. She's a cunt alright.
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THIS (#77 forward) is how you shut these fakes down.
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Never mind. Just found out you're as fake as they are. Please, continue to pretend to be arguing with lucysmom and NewJunky.
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Good. Now we know your interest isn't in adult debate but in using abusive language to shut down people you disagree with.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Adult debate? From YOU??? FUCK YOU!!!!
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See Stone? Even though she's SO insulted and horrified by me that she has to ping you, she's still posting to me. She's a cunt, and evidently is into degradation. So basically, she wasn't pinging you to complain, but pinged you so you could watch her degradation. She evidently gets off on people watching it.
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No need to cally LM the C word. You may disagree with her, but I don't ever recall her calling her political opponents names like that.
CITY = government Yea so? Is it your claim that a PRIVATE company would have put the fire out for free?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Easy there...she's a very nice l;ady who likes ghost stories.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Thank you. Until this morning MD was the only name in my bozo filter.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI guess what you want is for government to pay for your private school.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#64. To: lucysmom (#62)
For the 2009-2010 school year there were 512,826 students in private schools, k-12, in California. Would you give every student a voucher in the amount of $7,500 to spend at the school of their choice?
#65. To: Skip Intro (#61)
which is why you can't provide any real data to back up your assertions.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#66. To: jwpegler (#63)
Nope, I just don't want to have to pay for a service (government monopoly schools) that don't work and have failed the country and our children.
#67. To: jwpegler (#65)
This has nothing do to with you, but I have bent over backwards numerous times on this site gluing together evidence for my assertions so that I could try to show the opposition the facts.
#68. To: lucysmom (#66)
how about telling us what you do want.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#69. To: Skip Intro (#67)
That's the way it is for everybody. No one here will ever be convinced of anything they don't already believe. That's why this is just a chat site for entertainment purposes only, and nothing more.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#70. To: jwpegler (#68)
Choice.
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
There is choice now
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#72. To: jwpegler (#55)
Government has ruined this truism in healthcare and education. The result?
#73. To: jwpegler (#71)
Only for the very wealthy who can afford to pay the bills of two schools at once.
#74. To: NewsJunky (#72)
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#75. To: jwpegler (#74)
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I'll take CHOICE in the free market over unscrupulous politicians 100% of the time.
#76. To: mininggold (#75)
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Where's this free market you keeping talking about?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#77. To: lucysmom (#70)
#78. To: jwpegler (#74)
#79. To: NewsJunky (#78)
The current private system
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#80. To: jwpegler (#79)
There isn't any private system today.
#81. To: jwpegler (#79)
That's the problem.
#82. To: Wood_Chopper (#77)
See lucysmom, once those paying for you freeloaders quit paying, you're fucked.
#83. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#66)
(jwpegler) Nope, I just don't want to have to pay for a service (government monopoly schools) that don't work and have failed the country and our children.
#84. To: NewsJunky (#81)
I am sure it will be no problem covering those 50 million who are uninsured magically with the wave of a "free" market hand.
#85. To: NewsJunky, jwpegler (#78)
The current private system has failed with 50 million uninsured. I guess you want to add to it by getting rid of the government's role.
#86. To: Wood_Chopper (#84)
Cover them with your money, not mine, you thief.
#87. To: lucysmom (#82)
(me) See lucysmom, once those paying for you freeloaders quit paying, you're fucked.
#88. To: NewsJunky (#86)
Yeah if someone dies prematurely because of some medical condition that wasn't treated it is no "skin" off your back. F'em... Right?
#89. To: Wood_Chopper, jwpegler, A K A Stone (#83)
He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt.
#90. To: Wood_Chopper (#88)
f you're so fucking upset about it, you pay for them, you fucking thief.
#91. To: lucysmom (#89)
He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt.
#92. To: NewsJunky (#90)
That might be you someday who is unfortunate to have some serious accident and run out of money and then can't afford treatment. Hope you have someone to help ya or else you too might be f****d
#93. To: Wood_Chopper, A K A Stone (#91)
Fuck you!
#94. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#93)
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#95. To: jwpegler (#94)
#96. To: jwpegler (#95)
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#97. To: Wood_Chopper (#95)
THIS (#77 forward) is how you shut these fakes down.
#98. To: lucysmom (#97)
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Good. Now we know your interest isn't in adult debate but in using abusive language to shut down people you disagree with.
#99. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#97)
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#100. To: Wood_Chopper, Lucysmom (#91)
#101. To: jwpegler (#53)
The city of South Fulton, Tennessee offers residents of nearby areas the protection of its fire department for $75 a year...
--GW Bush
#102. To: Wood_Chopper (#99)
She's a cunt, and evidently is into degradation.
--GW Bush
#103. To: war (#102)
Easy there...she's a very nice l;ady who likes ghost stories.
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