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Title: Walker's Wow Moment
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Milwaukee Magazine
URL Source: http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/murphyslaw/
Published: Feb 15, 2011
Author: Bruce Murphy
Post Date: 2011-02-21 12:27:12 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 13983
Comments: 25
Walker, however, has gone much further than this. He estimates his proposal to increase all state employees’ contributions to their pension and health insurance would cost them 8 percent of their salary, or about $4,616. But for many workers, this is on top of the furloughs, meaning they could be losing as much as 11 percent of their salary. (Walker has said he’d like to end the furloughs, which continue through the current biennial budget, but has made no promise to do so.) Even at 8 percent, it’s a huge cut in pay for middle-class families. Walker has said he has no choice, given the budget deficit, but he’s only gaining an estimated $150 million a year instituting these draconian cuts. Just a half-percent increase in the sales tax, going from 5 percent to 5.5 percent, would raise $400 million a year. Walker, however, won’t raise taxes; as I noted, his policy choices are bracingly clear. His approach raises an issue of basic fairness. Union leaders argue that they have regularly given up salary increases in favor of benefit hikes. These negotiations were done in good faith (and mostly, I might add, with Republican governors Tommy Thompson and Scott McCallum over 16 of the last 24 years). Walker is basically saying, sorry, state government doesn’t have to live up to its past promises. Whatever you gave up in salary doesn’t matter; you will now contribute far more to benefits than previously agreed.
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#1. To: lucysmom (#0)
Why should people who have no retirement plan and make less money have to pay more taxes. They need tax cuts not tax increases.
I don't know what the accepted practice is for quoting poster "Comments" following an article from another site so if I'm crossing a line here, please delete. I work for Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance, I make over $60,000 per year, have excellent benefits and have received annual bonuses for the past 10 years. There is no one size fit all private sector employee. It depends on who you work in determining how good or bad your benefit and compensation package is. My sister works for UW-Milwaukee as a University Service Associate 2 and after 12 years of service she now makes $27,000 per year (one of the higher salaries in her department), her husband died several years ago and she's raising 3 children alone. If the changes that are proposed go through, it means a $1600 reduction in her pay as she contributes to her mandatory retirement plan and another 119 per month or 1400 per year for health care, effectively cutting her pay $3,000 per year in addition to the unpaid furlough days she had to take between July 1, 2010 and June 30, 2011. I will help my family, however this change affects 4 people my sister and her 3 children. The cuts probably wouldn't be so bad if everything else was being cut, but the cost of groceries, gas, utilities, car insurance, rent/mortgages are still going up. When did state workers become the enemy. When did they stop being tax payers too. I'm pretty sure there are enough pet projects and other wasteful state spending that would more effectively address the state budget deficit as opposed to taking money from families and people who work for a living. Bruf if this goes through as is, you best believe I'm signing a recall petition. posted by No comparison on 2/15/2011 3:51:48 PM You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Because somebody has to pay for the tax cuts for the richest people in the country.
When I buy auto insurance, for example, why should I contribute to the CEO's and management team's pay, benefit package, and bonuses when I not only earn much less, but can't even buy health insurance? The answer to that is the answer to your question.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
You aren't even close to crossing any line. Carry on.
The answer to that is the answer to your question. I'm probably in the minority here. But purchasing auto insurance should be voluntary.
Thank you.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
You're welcome.
They already pay a higher rate. Why do some people want the government to do so much? Why don't they just take care of themselves like I do.
I bet they pay a lower rate than you do.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Especially those billionaire hedge fund guys...
Hey - they works hard for their money.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
What i'd like to know is how cutting teacher pay/benefits will somehow improve education. Logic says that if you want to attract top flight people, you pay higher salaries, but now Conservatives seem to think that the answer to our education woes is to pay teachers less. jwpegler, walk me through the logic here because I just don't get it.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
It is now. You only have to purchase it if you want to drive on a public road where you encounter other drivers. If you don't wish to drive on public roads you have no requirement to buy insurance.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
Because Conservatives keep arguing that we have to keep taxes low on the rich because they are the productive members of society who create all the jobs.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
It is mandatory if you want to exercise your right to travel by the means of the day. It shouldn't be. If someone wants to drive without it, it is their RIGHT! Now if they get in a wreck that is their fault they should have to suffer the consequences.
Taxes should be low on everyone. End all the illegal govt programs and they would be. You know things like welfare, social security. You know about 80 percent of the budget.
The idea isn't to improve education, its to destroy it.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Where did you find driving a car as a right in the Constitution?
You mean like start trillion dollar wars and not pay for them? Got me.
LOL! That is EXACTLY what the NEA and you libTURD whores have been doing since the 60's. ALL "public employee" unions need to be disallowed. Even your savior and hero FDR believed this. You are just libTURD pigs supporting other PIGS living off the sweat of other people's brows. People who don't make even half of what the NEA members make on average. People who pay for themselves AND you little piggies, and parasites. You don't give a DAMN about the kids or their education you fraudulent aholes. Your panties are in a wedge because of the threat to the UNIONS' power. You crypto statist piggies are all about power, and keeping your fat porcine faces ears deep in the public trough.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
9th amendment. Where did you find the people gave up the right to travel by the means of the day? One of your problems is that you think like a slave and you think you have to obey illegitimate laws.
They never declared war. They passed an act in congress to give Bush and all future presidents the power (illegitimate) to enforce UN resolutions. I spit, I take that back, I piss on that fake law. I never supported any illegal wars.
#41. To: lucysmom (#1) Certain people are bent on creating the illusion that the Wisconsin protesters are all teachers - time to dispel that myth. " Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time. www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm Here's how it works: 1) Meet in a shady smoke filled back room. 2) Take out of the US Treasury/budget what the Top 50 000. The Military. Health Care Insurance. Banksters. need. 3) The rest of the budget is then presented to the nation, from which the cuts necessary to 'balance' the budget will be taken. 4) This will be called Austerity. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. As necessary. 8D " Premise Ten: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life. Premise Eleven: From the beginning, this culture—civilization—has been a culture of occupation."
bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> the official seal of the Massachusetts Bay Colony (see above) depicted an Indian who was saying "come over and help us." I will not bother to repeat what others have observed that that statement may represent in terms of ethnocentricity. Instead, I want to point out, as De Jong does (on page 32 of As the Waters Cover the Sea), that "come over and help us" is a Biblically inspired statement. It comes from Acts 16:9: And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: There stood a man of Macedonia and prayed him, saying 'Come over to Macedonia and help us.' The point is not whether or not the American Indians ever asked for missionaries, instead, the point is that the Massachusetts Bay Colony was incorporated under the pretense of helping the native Algonkian-speaking people, or at least it was founded under the pretense of converting those natives to the Christian religion. http://algonkianchurchhistory.blogspot.com/2009/12/seal-of-massachusetts-bay-colony-come.html
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#2. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm (#0)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Why should people who have no retirement plan and make less money have to pay more taxes.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Why should people who have no retirement plan and make less money have to pay more taxes.
#5. To: lucysmom (#2)
I don't know what the accepted practice is for quoting poster "Comments" following an article from another site so if I'm crossing a line here, please delete.
#6. To: lucysmom (#4)
When I buy auto insurance, for example, why should I contribute to the CEO's and management team's pay, benefit package, and bonuses when I not only earn much less, but can't even buy health insurance?
#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)
#8. To: lucysmom (#7)
#9. To: Skip Intro (#3)
Because somebody has to pay for the tax cuts for the richest people in the country.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
They already pay a higher rate.
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
Especially those billionaire hedge fund guys...
#13. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#2)
When did state workers become the enemy. When did they stop being tax payers too.
#14. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I'm probably in the minority here. But purchasing auto insurance should be voluntary.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Why should people who have no retirement plan and make less money have to pay more taxes.
#16. To: go65 (#14)
It is now. You only have to purchase it if you want to drive on a public road where you encounter other drivers. If you don't wish to drive on public roads you have no requirement to buy insurance.
#17. To: go65 (#15)
Because Conservatives keep arguing that we have to keep taxes low on the rich because they are the productive members of society who create all the jobs.
#18. To: go65 (#13)
What i'd like to know is how cutting teacher pay/benefits will somehow improve education. Logic says that if you want to attract top flight people, you pay higher salaries, but now Conservatives seem to think that the answer to our education woes is to pay teachers less.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)
If someone wants to drive without it, it is their RIGHT!
#20. To: A K A Stone (#9)
Why do some people want the government to do so much?
#21. To: lucysmom, go65 (#18)
The idea isn't to improve education, its to destroy it.
#22. To: Skip Intro (#19)
#23. To: Skip Intro (#20)
You mean like start trillion dollar wars and not pay for them?
#24. To: lucysmom (#2)
(Edited)
I'm pretty sure there are enough pet projects and other wasteful state spending that would more effectively address the state budget deficit as opposed to taking money from families and people who work for a living.
#25. To: mcgowanjm (#24)
Premise Eleven: From the beginning, this culture—civilization—has been a culture of occupation."
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