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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
Source: RawStory
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 128082
Comments: 165

The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party.

"I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it."

In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement.

On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things."

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"This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added.

Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win."

"This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements."

Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware."

But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell.

"I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012.

"There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said.

The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said.

"Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said.

This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.

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#3. To: Brian S (#0)

Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Noted Christie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   7:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then endorses liberal anti-American globalists like Castle and McCain. Party before principle, or are they just globalist traitors at heart?

Either way, they're not worth a damn.

Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-08   9:59:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#8)

I think the jury is still out on Palin. Time will tell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   10:07:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Hmmm. I don't think it is. She did what was necessary politically with an eye towards her future as it relates to 2012. If she hadn't endorsed McCain - and I think you know I hate that little self righteous prick - it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   10:09:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#10)

it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.

Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party?

The ONLY way to "work within" the party is to be subservient to the RINO leadership,which she has really done a bang-up job of doing,but while that may benefit HER,all that gets us is more of the same.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   12:41:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#29)

it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years. Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party?

Palin gets nowhere if she doesn't first support those few that gave her an opportunity to walk on to the national stage.

McCain doesn't run the GOP, sneaky. He was going to beat JD Hayworth no matter who said what, primarily because JD was a hypocrite, but also seriously outgunned in that race against McCain. Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. At least thats how its supposed to work.

You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished.

The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   13:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Badeye (#35)

Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.

He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.

He also slammed her several other times.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   18:55:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: sneakypete (#51)

He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.

He said no such thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   19:23:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)

He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.

He said no such thing.

Yes,he did. I saw it and heard it the night he was on.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   22:19:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#54)

He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   22:39:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#55)

He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase

No,his answer to the direct question "Is Sarah Palin presidential material,and do you consider her to be a front runner in 2012?",McLunatic laughed and said "No". He then added something along the line of "She's just not ready."

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   6:10:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#59)

I think you are lying or have a bad memory.

How about some proof. You made the claim so it is up to you to prove it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-09   7:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)

I think you are lying or have a bad memory.

I think you need to kiss my ass,RINO Boy.

You made the claim so it is up to you to prove it.

Fuck you. YOU made the claim I am lying,so YOU do your own work to search out a video clip of the show and prove it.

*I* watched the show. You didn't.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-09   10:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#97. To: sneakypete (#64)

So I am supposed to go find a video that doesn't exist. Don't be stupid.

McCain said he isn't supporting anyone at the moment. You don't know what I saw.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-09 14:08:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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