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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
Source: RawStory
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 128134
Comments: 165

The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party.

"I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it."

In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement.

On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things."

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"This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added.

Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win."

"This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements."

Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware."

But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell.

"I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012.

"There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said.

The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said.

"Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said.

This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.

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#3. To: Brian S (#0)

Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Noted Christie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   7:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday.

Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then endorses liberal anti-American globalists like Castle and McCain. Party before principle, or are they just globalist traitors at heart?

Either way, they're not worth a damn.

Hondo68  posted on  2010-11-08   9:59:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#8)

I think the jury is still out on Palin. Time will tell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-11-08   10:07:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Hmmm. I don't think it is. She did what was necessary politically with an eye towards her future as it relates to 2012. If she hadn't endorsed McCain - and I think you know I hate that little self righteous prick - it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   10:09:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#10)

it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.

Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party?

The ONLY way to "work within" the party is to be subservient to the RINO leadership,which she has really done a bang-up job of doing,but while that may benefit HER,all that gets us is more of the same.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-11-08   12:41:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#29)

it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years. Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party?

Palin gets nowhere if she doesn't first support those few that gave her an opportunity to walk on to the national stage.

McCain doesn't run the GOP, sneaky. He was going to beat JD Hayworth no matter who said what, primarily because JD was a hypocrite, but also seriously outgunned in that race against McCain. Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. At least thats how its supposed to work.

You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished.

The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   13:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye (#35)

But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.

So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-11-08   13:31:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)

So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"

I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only.

There are lots of different 'RINO's', some of us belong to the GOP because its the only viable options for Conservatives that want to actually affect things, rather than just beat our chests and claim 'purity' from the sidelines.

I have a huge problem with so called 'moderates' and an even bigger issue with the old boy network types like Mitch McConnell in the GOP. But knowing 'how things work' I realize the McConnell's of the GOP are going to be replaced sooner rather than later, if for no other reason than age. The new batch resulting from the Tea Party influence has a great opportunity to remake the Republican Party, bring it back to its roots of smaller government, less interference in the daily lives of average Americans, less taxation and regulation.

If all you want to do is throw rocks through the windows of the GOP...while I can understand the urge, I don't think its productive long term. Been there, done that. Look what we got from it.

The only alternative is to change it from within. Maybe its a forelorn hope, but maybe not. I like what I'm seeing today as a result of this election cycle. To me, its encouraging.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   14:07:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Badeye (#42)

I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only.

You actually admit it anyway fishlips. Now admit that you're a neo-con.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-11-08   15:02:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#45)

I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only. You actually admit it anyway fishlips. Now admit that you're a neo-con.

Freddie, did the horse turn you down again, or is it you just blew through your government check at the track already this month?

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   15:23:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye (#48)

How long have you been a registered Pubbie?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-11-08   15:38:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#50. To: Fred Mertz (#49)

How long have you been a registered Pubbie?

As I noted four years ago, since the 2006 Ohio primary season, when Jim Petro ran a racist campaign ad against Ken Blackwell in the primary. I couldn't just stand by and not vote against that bullshit, given I've known Blackwell since the 1970's.

From 1976 til that moment I was a life long registered Independent.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08 15:47:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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