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Title: Bacon Strips Spelling Out 'Pig' Left Outside SC Islamic Center
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URL Source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme ... th_carolina_islamic_center.php
Published: Oct 13, 2010
Author: TPMMuckraker
Post Date: 2010-10-13 12:28:29 by Happy Quanzaa
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Comments: 54
Slices of bacon were laid down on a brink walkway to the Florence Islamic Center in Florence, S.C. on Sunday in a manner that spelled out "PIG CHOPS." The incident -- evidently aimed the center because of the Islamic dietary restrictions against pork -- is just the latest in a string of anti-Muslim episodes around the country. In fact this isn't the first time even this particular mosque has been hit -- earlier this year vandals broke windows in the facility, according to local news station ABC 15. A conflicting Associated Press report said the bacon slices were arranged to spell out "PIG CHUMP." The bacon slices were placed on the sidewalk between 7 a.m. and 2 p.m. on Sunday, Florence Police Major Carlos Raines told the AP. "There's absolutely nothing that identifies it as a mosque," Raines told the AP. "It's an insult, and I'm sure that's what it was intended for." Mushtaq Hussain, a member of the center, made the police complaint, telling officers he believed the incident was a hate crime because Muslims do not eat pork, according to SCNow.com. Raines said the department plans to increase patrols near the center. Abdul Ghani, a member of the board of the 30-family large Islamic center, told TPMMuckraker that members of the center weren't too worried about the incident, but he said it indicated that there was a need for non-Muslims to be educated about the beliefs of Muslims. "We didn't take it too serious," he said. "We wanted to let everybody know what happened. People don't know about our religion and they are just more influenced by the news." He said that the South Carolina neighborhood where the Islamic Center is located is fairly diverse. "We are here, mixed, between... American people and Pakistani and Arabs," Ghani said. "We are not too big a group of people, not too big a community, but we are mostly family people and small business people here." The Florence Islamic Center is currently raising money to build a Masjid in the town, according to their website. Several anti-Muslim incidents have been tied to the construction of new mosques. Police are investigating, according to local news station NewsChannel 15. TPMMuckraker left a message with a police spokesman, but the call was not immediately returned. A top Justice Department official recently visited Murfreesboro, Tenn. in an attempt to reassure Muslims who have been the victims of arson and vandalism in that area. The official, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez, had noted in a previous speech that Muslim-Americans "continue to struggle for acceptance in many communities" and "have not yet realized the full promise of equal opportunity and equal justice."
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#1. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Another phony "hate crime". Which one of LF's resident muzbots did it? When will the average non-minority American, regular guy, Joe Sixpack "realize the full promise of equal justice and equal opportunity"?
"What am I supposed to do? Go on television and tell ten million people they have to be nice to each other? Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every "I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
How fascinating, Murron. Where in the Bible does God or Jesus implore people to treat others like dirt?
It's written in the same place where I wanted to talk to you about the bible...
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
Well my dear, I am a firm believer in the Golden Rule, something actually embraced by Christians to an extremely deep degree. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is a good principle. It allows me to see the value of people and to care about them even when I have fought them verbally or otherwise in the past. For example,you and I have had our spats in here, and at LP. But I like you and appreciate your good qualities as a woman and human being. It allows me not to waste time and energy on pointless and meaningless grudges. We always have the right to defend and disagree; but we should always remember and respect the humanity and dignity of others, regardless of anything else. And I believe that that is a notion central to at least the new Testament of the Bible.
Lets send em bacon strips, and be done with it.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
According to your spiteful way of looking at this, you invite a feud with both sides free to take turns being a disrespectful offender and the ones offended. How about if we work through disagreements without childish displays of immature disrespect? This gesture does nothing good. It even degrades the person doing it as a hater and baiter. It is as foolish as trying to kill someone for drawing a picture of Mohammad. I want none of such foolishness.
What I wrote was ghostbuster sarcasm/humore, nothing more. As for how I should behave as a christian, I was raised as one, but I DO NOT claim to be one, my behavior, good or bad, is pure me, depending on my moods, nothing more. I have my good qualities, along with some bad ones too, and I don't hold grudges, but I am leary of anyone bearing fig leaves, I despise backstabbers, whether I can see them or not, I may forgive, but I don't forget. I've got a wicked sense of humor, the smart ones can spot it, other's just don't know WTF....lol I'm independent as hell, despite having a family, I am a loner, a survivor, I like groups I have common interests with, but I don't follow groups, I don't need them to stand on my own feet, to me, clinging to group, or even a particular person for support, is a crutch, and I don't need a crutch to get around. In other words, I don't go along, to get along, with anyone, especially if they try to dump some damn guilt trip on me. I didn't mean to be long winded, but maybe you might know me a little better after this...who knows! Only you can tell if you've wasted your time on these forums, my behavior, thoughts, ideas...ect, shoudn't have anything to do with it! jmho!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
How about if we work through disagreements without childish displays of immature disrespect? This gesture does nothing good. It even degrades the person doing it as a hater and baiter. It is as foolish as trying to kill someone for drawing a picture of Mohammad. I want none of such foolishness. According to THEIR SPITEFUL WAY, they want to send me a not so smart bomb while I'm picking up a pizza, Mike. Remember? I'm being very very nice here.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
And they can put these on their bleeding hearts! I wonder what the odds are that I could have someone charged with a 'hate crime', if they left food I hate on my doorstep?
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
Good post, and I would never be so disrespectful as to want you merely to agree with someone else just to get along. That would be disrespecting yourself. It is important to listen to others, but one has no obligation to agree just to pander. I appreciate your ability to be honest when you post, and I enjoy your spirit when you are in a mood to engage in a scrap. My only critique would be to not ever let anything in here upset you too much. The memory in general in forums is short, and no one who argues or fights with you deserves the pleasure of seeing their efforts make you angry or in any way rattled. You have nothing to apologize for if you honestly express yourself. Just as someone disagreeing with you has nothing to apologize for if they merely do the same in return. Thank you for sharing, it really is a pleasure to know you, even to disagree with you were I do not agree. I actually do care, and am glad you are posting here.
And according to Christian spiteful ways, we have practiced biological warfare by giving Native Americans blankets infected with Small Pox, burned people at the stake as witches when they merely were spirited women who dared disagree with important men, talked to themselves and seems odd, or too will-full, and many other acts of cruelty and terroristic in spirit. I do not like the "well, the other kids are doing it" rationals. Ass Gandhi said, "an eye for an eye done often enough makes the whole world blind."
Do those who currently are riling up hatred of Islam not realize they supported a war to free millions of Muslims and the spending of hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to rebuild Iraq?
(eyes rolling) My family didn't hit these shores til after 1900, Mikey. So none of that applies to me or mine. Not that it would anyway. Here, in the year 2010, radical muslims want you and I both to either kneel five times facing Mecca, or be publicly executed. Don't know about you, but I'm not doing as they demand. And I won't go 'quietly'. But thats just me.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Islamic fundementalist already hate us, GO65. You might want to actually listen to them, instead of treating them like your neighbors unruly kids.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Good point. I served with many fine Muslims in the Army. I went to the Special Forces Qualification course with some fine foreign officers who were Muslim I still consider friends. I would ask the person doing that unthinking and hateful act if they would put bacon on the grave of this Muslim serviceman who was decorated for bravery and is buried at Arlington; an honor he earned with his own sacrifice of blood as he served unselfishly in the armed forces of his country. I would hope they would have the decency and common sense to say they would not. It does indeed apply to you as you express sentiments similar to those that prompted the wrongs committed in the name of Christianity allegedly to defend it. Muslims are wrong to attack based on criticism, just as we are wrong to attack even symbolically based on the same things.
I don't know where you get your sentiments, they're cute, commendable, but suicidal. If my ancestors had thought like you, they would never have survived, the stupidity of underestimating their enemy would have killed them all, and their families. There were french and british fighting on our side during the French and British Revolutions, because they were smart enough to know who their enemies were too. The brain surgion who saved my sons life was a muslim, we have many mulins living in our area, they've been here as long as I have, but that doesn't change the face of those who want us DEAD in the name of Allah, even they, my neighbors, will have to choose a side in the end...jmo!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
On “Meet the Press” today, Colin L. Powell concluded his endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama by referring to the death of a Muslim soldier, Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan of Manahawkin, N.J., who was killed in Iraq on Aug. 6, 2007, and whose remains were buried in Arlington. He and three other soldiers, including a corporal from Washington Heights, were killed in Baquba after a bomb detonated while they were checking abandoned houses for explosives. They served in the Stryker Brigade combat team of the Army’s 2nd Infantry Division, based in Ft. Lewis, Washington. Mr. Khan graduated from Southern Regional High School in Manahawkin in 2005, and enlisted in the Army a few months later, spurred by his memories of the 9/11 terror attacks. “His Muslim faith did not make him not want to go. It never stopped him,” his father, Feroze Khan, told the Gannett News Service in a story printed shortly after his death. “He looked at it that he’s American and he has a job to do.” Mr. Powell mentioned Mr. Khan’s death to underscore why he was deeply troubled by Republican personal attacks on Mr. Obama, especially false intimations that he was Muslim. Mr. Obama is a lifelong Christian, not a Muslim, he said. But, he added, “The really right answer is, what if he is?” “Is there something wrong with being Muslim in this country? No, that’s not America,” he said. Mr. Khan’s death came to his attention, Mr. Powell said, when he saw a photo essay in a magazine about the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq. One picture showed a mother pressing her head against the gravestone of her fallen son in Arlington cemetery. It was the grave of 20-year-old Mr. Khan, engraved with his name, his military awards, and the Muslim symbol of the crescent and star. “He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he could go serve his country, and he gave his life,” Mr. Powell said. “Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourselves in this way.” Mr. Powell said that he had heard senior members of the Republican Party “drop this suggestion that he [Obama] is a Muslim and he might be associated with terrorists.” “Now, John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I’m troubled about the fact that within the party we have these kinds of expressions.” Mr. Khan had served in Iraq for just over a year, arriving in July 2006. He had sent home pictures to his family of him playing soccer with Iraqi children and hugging a smiling young Iraqi boy in Baghdad, according to his obituary in the Newark Star-Ledger. He loved rooting for the Dallas Cowboys with his father, and challenging his 12-year old stepsister, Aliya, to video games. He last saw his family during a two-week visit in September 2006. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/more-on-the-soldier-kareem-r-khan/ We survived as a nation because more people embraced the concept of we are all in this together rather than constantly picking each other apart over differences in race, creed, ethnic background, or any other difference. American Muslims become Americanized far more often then they obsess about clinging to the worst hatreds and intolerances of where they and their family came from. I would prefer to take people as they present themselves as individuals rather than to make them a faceless member of a group I let the worst in me dehumanize and vilify. I don't feel threatened by Muslim Americans because the hate shows insecurity, weakness and a lack of faith in this country and it's people to prevail against adversity. Hatred becomes it's own engine to make bad prognostications of people a reality. It invites the worst in people to come out. I love this country and it's Constitution. And I trust it's ability to bring out the best in people and to unify them.
Translation "Can't we all just get along??? REAL-WORLD ANSWER: NO. "What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men." Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
IT takes more then familiarity on how to format in HTML to give opinion weight. And you feel this is so because..... Come on Eric, please tell us why you believe this.
I don't know why you posted this young mans picture, if he was a muslim soldier in our army, and died for this country, then what is your point? He chose a side, he fought for that side, and I'm sorry he died, but many men and women of all races fight and die in this country. I have respect for any man, or woman, no matter their race, or religion, who defend our nation, they deserve it, but what is it you want, respect for the intire muslim world? Sorry, I don't use a broad brush where my respect goes, it has to be earned by the individual, I won't allow you, or anyone, to brow beat me into respecting people just because of their religion or race, it just doesn't work that way. If I have a bone to pick with anyone, you can bank on it, their race or religion won't have anything to do with me ripping into them, it will be their actions that set me off! jmo!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
May that be the worst that ever happens to them.
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You seem to use a broad brush hen applying your anger and disdain. My point was simple; Muslims should not be condemned as a group. I posted his picture as an example of what I have seen knowing many American Muslims; that many are decent, hard working and caring people. When I was in the Army, I had Wicca on my dog tags. hat did that mean for me? I was a hard working and responsible member of a phase maintenance team working on UH1H helicopters, but when I applied for Army rotary wing flight school, they damned me with faint praise merely stating I had met the requisite requirements to go to that school at Ft. Rucker AL. When it became generally known I was liberal, I was accused of not having all my fingers in plane at an award ceremony, and they tried to give me nonjudicial punishment (Article 15)accusing me of disobeying the lawful order of a superior commissioned officer. Of course this was the first part of the game of giving several such actions, then throwing me out as "Unwilling to adapt to Army life." I decided immediately to fight the offensive charge to the full extent of my options. I am very very stubborn and do not like people telling me I did something as offensive to the core of my being as flipping the bird to Old Glory. I would have preferred to do what I did, which was everything I could to defeat the slander, even if I went to federal prison as a result of my decision to elevate this beyond a summary Court Martial to a Special Court Martial. I talked to my then commanding officer Major Turner E. Grimsley several times before I went to trail and he indicated my religion to be offensive and indicative of someone who just did not understand American values. I won, went to a new unit, became a helicopter crew chief, a sergeant, and got out with an honorable discharge. But the experience of the judgment of me being colored by my religion was frightening. When I later rejoined the Army, I took 'no preference' on the Dog tags, and you would of had to torture me to disclose my religion. I also would not talk politics to anyone. It really offended me to be so badly judged for no good reason at all. If I had lied, said I was raised a Roman Catholic and still was one, I have no doubt that I would of gone to flight school and have been given the chance to see if I had what it took to be a pilot. So I understand what it is like on a personal level to be damned for being honest and forthright about my religious beliefs. Which gives me a lot of empathy of what it must be like to be Muslim in the Armed Forces knowing that a good number of fellow servicemen and woman might obey regs and not openly discriminate, but don't really like the fact that there are Muslims there, and likely do what they can do covertly to sabotage the aspirations of Muslims who try to be all they can be in the U.S. Armed Forces.
When you realize you can't push the rest of us around anymore and decide to play nice.
"You seem to use a broad brush hen applying your anger and disdain. My point was simple; Muslims should not be condemned as a group. I posted his picture as an example of what I have seen knowing many American Muslims; that many are decent, hard working and caring people". PAY ATTENTION: I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you. My family of Irish and Native Americans were also decent, hard working and caring people, but they didn't receive any special treatment, or get respect they never earned, I'll not go into details how low-down and shitty they were treated, use your imagination. Where do you get off dictating to me how I should feel about anyone, of any persuasion? Leave me at least the right to make up my own mind how I should feel about anyone. "Which gives me a lot of empathy of what it must be like to be Muslim in the Armed Forces knowing that a good number of fellow servicemen and woman might obey regs and not openly discriminate, but don't really like the fact that there are Muslims there, and likely do what they can do covertly to sabotage the aspirations of Muslims who try to be all they can be in the U.S. Armed Forces". No one ever said life was fair mike, I think anyone who would covertly sabotage a fellow service person because of their religious affiliation should be thrown out, but it's kinda hard to russel up sympathy when an islamic muslim freak masacres them on their own bases. Life sucks, shit happens to all of us, European Americans getting the worst of it, but unless you want to round up everyone for what they THINK, and FORCE them to think like you, then there isn't much you can do about, it's still a free country where we can THINK anyway we want.
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
My last name is McCarthy; I'm three quarters Irish, one quarter Puerto Rican. I hear you. People in my family shared similar problems. Actually, I listened to what you said, have been reading your posts, and do not dictate anything to you concerning how and what you should believe. That is your job to figure that out, not mine. I listened to you, then shared my views. That's all. I fully agree life can indeed not be fair. And I am about the same age as you, and have lived long enough to know it's part of the human condition that this will always be true to an extent. I also did mention I care about the U.S. Constitution which specifically protects against being rounded up for one's beliefs and then be punished or sent to 'reeducation camps.' I don't agree with you that Euro ethnic people have gotten the worse treatment historically in these United States, or that this is becoming the case today in this early part of the 21st Century. buy hey, I already in a previous post said you had a right to your views and that it did not offend me to see you express them, so relax. Breathe. Everything is cool. And as always, thank you for sharing.
Do you not see a difference between Islamic fundamentalists and all Muslims?
How about we simply judge each according to the content of their heart rather than arguing that Muslim=Terrorist?
Which sect or version of Islam does not consider homosexuality evil? Or that women are equal to men?
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Or that women are equal to men? Do you know much about Orthodox Judaism?
Just for your edification WS, don't get excited, I don't support pederasty. As if, coincidentally, to prove the validity of the Murray and Roscoe book, three recent stories about sexual practices in Afghanistan--usually a subject too sensitive for public discussion--came boldly from the 'Times of London', the 'New York Times' and the 'Los Angeles Times'. Each report portrays a custom of social/sexual behavior that stretches back into the thin pages of history. As seen through today’s more politically-correct-sexually-sensitive-Judeo- Christian-western lens, the articles describe a sexual practice that falls outside most standards of acceptable behavior. This is, for some, an unsettling account describing the ‘taking’ of teen/young adult boys by strong-willed men-- born into and hardened by the harsh conditions of war, deprivation, bloodshed and death--for the purposes of sexual pleasure and trophy gloating.
I oppose ALL religions. I oppose all fundamentalist religions. You don't.
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Wrong again, FM. I did NOTHING to deserve being targetted by these homicidal maniacs. The rationalizations from the Left for such atrocities never ceases to amaze me, even though I see it all the time.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
(laughing)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Islamic fundementalist already hate us, GO65. You might want to actually listen to them, instead of treating them like your neighbors unruly kids. Do you not see a difference between Islamic fundamentalists and all Muslims? Duh, ya think? Sheesh.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I oppose all fundamentalist religions. You don't. Correct, I don't oppose religions, I oppose people who seek to harm others in the name of religion. That's where you and I differ, I believe in freedom of association, you don't.
It's something I "feel" or "believe." It's fact. About ten years ago, for curiosity's sake, I did a linear regression analysis, comparing religion to incidents of domestic war, where large numbers of people are killed (genocidal actions). There's a very high correlation, when you plug in Islam as the variable. Of course, this is confirmed by something you refuse to apply: common sense.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
We get your point. You're just wrong, that's all. When you understand that Islam is essentially a religion of death, then those that follow such a religion deserve condemnation. Your inability to make such a determination, doesn't reflect badly on everyone else, but it sure makes you look the fool. Aha. Now I understand. Your words are based on internal fears, rather than logic. Thanks for the clarification.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
What a wonderful concept, and it would work too if...Muslim didn't = Islam = drunkin maniac in the next room, don't wake him....
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
You attack those who would express the truth, in an attempt to promote your own nominalist philosophies. You're a relativist, incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. You are a moral idiot. (to paraphrase Richard Weaver) Game. Set. Match. And you're now dismissed.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
The rationalizations from the Left for such atrocities never ceases to amaze me, even though I see it all the time. This puts me to mind of the ignorant women who get the dog ship beat out of them by their raving, drunkin lunatic husbands, they rationalize the beatings by thinking they must have done something to deserve those beatings, they must have done something wrong, and I'd bet dollars to donuts mike could rationalize it too, because if he didn't, he'd be a hypocrite, both senerios are simular, because you have to tread lightly, or pay dearly with either....jmo!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
There will always be community agitators ready to create fake incidents like this one, and you'll fall for it every time. Just because there are two idiots who want to play that game forever is no justification to ignore, equal justice under the law. Special super citizens that YOU approve of and endow with special privileges under the color of law, like corporations and minorities are prohibited under the constitution. No justice for Joe Sixpack, no peace!
...and then she attacks the cops when they arrest the drunken wife beater, screaming 'I love him! I love him!'... You know what the real irony here is? The Jihadists would kill those on the Left FIRST, just on 'general principal'. Its not like the Jihadist has a kind word for gays, women that can read, write or drive, PETA, enviromental terrorists, etc etc etc.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Sounds like you have a lot in common.
(chuckle) And you wonder why I call you 'goofy'? Sheesh. I have no problem with gays, or women that can read, write, or drive. I think PETA's a bunch of fools, but I don't advocate beheading them, goofy. I don't like terrorists, whatever they offer up as an excuse, be it enviromental terrorists, religious terrorists of various stripes, etc. The fact is you offered up this bullshit comment to avoid accepting the reality of what I said in the first place.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
You're a relativist, incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. You are a moral idiot. (to paraphrase Richard Weaver) Game. Set. Match." And the 'truth' is everything you believe, right? Because you are perfect, and never wrong. You are arrogant, and your hubris is quite amusing. Frankly, I bet the guy who cleans your swimming pool has more moral character than you do. Also, I don't play tennis; but if you are ever up here and do martial arts, you are welcome to come down to the dojo and spar with me. Perhaps if you have experience and rank in you chosen martial art you can win for real. I'm pretty good, but certainly not the best one down there.
Islam is much like Christianity. It is very hungry to spread itself all over the globe to Borg everyone into their fold. They have good things about them, and bad, just as is the case with Jesus followers. I am just the same as every other human, I find some things delightful, other things scary. But I am not in the least fearful about facing anything and challenging it. If anything, I am too more then willing to face something or someone.
What was the time period parameters, and did you use any methodology to assure your research was impartial? Christianity historically has genocidally killed a large number of people and has had stronger, more deeply institutionalized tools with which to effect their cultural and geographical hegemony with; such as 'The Doctrine of Discovery' for example.
No. Truth can be defined as something which is observable, meaasureable and repeatable. In scientific circles, this is the basis for "science." I never said that. I do know my limitations. Relativists often resort to this tactic, when they fail to make a convincing argument. [Women use it far more than men.] There is a fine line, between arrogance and confidence. An arrogant person may or may not be able to back up the things they say. A confident person knows he can back up what he says. Once that level of confidence is reached, then the need to establish my 'cred' is something that I would only do, if you were someone who matters. But you don't, so I won't. He's a good guy, several 20-something sons. I wouldn't know, and frankly, I'm not interested in comparing who is the better "moral character." Even proposing such a comparison is morally repugnant. But, having no moral core yourself, you miss such distinctions. It was a metaphor. Another distinction lost on you. I don't have time to squander, playing HTH. You keep your belts and your dojo and your ego-trip bullshit. All that stuff won't help you, because you're empty of what matters inside. Pity.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
I did it ten years ago, so I'm not gonna' pretend I can rattle off the details... I'm sure if I looked back through my old college books, I could find the original notes on that... But I have more important things to do than dig through the garage, to satisfy the challenge- and childish attempt at a trap- of someone like you. I was going to say "nice try," but really, it wasn't. Heh.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
I am quite aware with the scientific method. And I am well aware of the propensity of the right to avoid using objective means to acertain the answer to particular questions or truth. I am skilled enough to be quite effective locally doing political work. I can't go into this election as to what I am doing and have done until it is over, but an example of what I have done is how I blew the whistle on the fraud in Republican attempts to get Nader on the ballot when Oregon was one of five swing states in the Kerry/Bush election. It is a good example, as Michael McCarthy is cited as the one who sparked the investigation that scuddled this Machavellian ploy when I spoke at the announcement of the investigation in Portland at the SEIU Union HQ. Interestingly enough, this is a tactic Repugs are now repeating in Arizona and elsewhere as they have searched for and enabled Green canidates to run to try to split the plerality of the vote in this and other states. Well, it was merely an observation. And I suppose much like a woman I was probing to see how tempermentally volital you might be. I know when I talked to you at LP using the Cornflake Girl returning bannee account, you were quote the bombastic rogue as I recall. "He's a good guy, several 20-something sons. I wouldn't know, and frankly, I'm not interested in comparing who is the better "moral character." Even proposing such a comparison is morally repugnant. But, having no moral core yourself, you miss such distinctions." I have quote a good moral core. I grew up the oldest of six kids and dealt with a toxic alcoholic and protected my siblings, and have never fallen victim to any drug abuse myself. In fact I don't drink, or have ever smoked tobacco. I am also concerned about a friend in LA who is a really nice person and am selling a very sound and clean van to him for a dollar to avoid the gift tax. That is not something one does if they are sociopathic about life. ;-) I was curious again to see if this invitation to blow your top would be accepted by you, and iot wasn't. Which speaks well of you. You would like to think so, but I assure you, I caught that. ;-D Heehee, that reminds me of your parting words at LP. They seemed a paraphrase of this: Agent Smith: "I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it."
I have no desire to try to 'trap' you. I am merely curious, as you are very FReeper in how you look at things. And I wonder if your methodology was sloppy as to insure you got the results you wished to have additional tools in an argument or debate concerning Islam. I also am curious as to whether you have any friend who disagree with you profoundly politically; or if you also seek to belittle and dehumanize them in order to build your self up at their expense. It is obvious you think yourself my intellectual superior - the hubris thing about you comes through very clearly - however I find your argument/debate skill quite amateurish, and you do not have the patience, temperament, or empathy for others requisite to ever achieve a high level of ability at arguing a side of an argument online. You are extremely quick to belittle and insult, and you have always been this way. You would just as soon as insult, declare victory and run for your life as do anything else. If we ever did do a complete and comprehensive debate on Islam, it is me who would clean your clock. Of that I am sure.
Uh-huh. NICE. If it was any more transparent, it would've been made of glass. LOL. My wife and I disagree vehemently on certain issues. Not a surprise- it happens. My closest friends- most I've known for well over 20 years- disagree with me on a variety of issues- some moral, some political, whatever... Respect is earned, through actions. While we all have our intellectual "wish lists" of things we'd like to see happen (peace in the world, blah blah blah...), what people do in real life, is what tells me who they are. Even in this, a very close friend sometimes does things I find ethically... questionable. I learn to look beyond this, to the remainder of the person. If they're worthy, I can call them a friend. If not...? Then I let them disappear. What of it? It's not something I think, it's something I know. It is a fact. I say that with no sense of satisfaction or... anything else, for that matter. Technically speaking, I'm a "genius." Again, I get no satisfaction from such labels, as they are relativistic terms, in my viewpoint. I really don't care about such things, as they don't begin to describe who I am, but merely compare me against others, like yourself. I'm ahead of you. Big deal. Think as you wish. Your delusions of significance are laughable. Back to your other point, I speak from facts, as I have NO time for political bullshit, moral relativism and 'malleable' truths. You don't like that. Fine. But understand: I really don't give a shit about your opinion. Your adolescent games and attempts to trap me in anther subject of debate, aren't worth a squirt of piss. Try to imagine how little I care about your pathetic attempts at wit. I don't think I'm your intellectual superior; I AM.
Getting tired of the bozoed calcon following me around on the 'net, wanting to discuss "tossing salad." Sorry, you sick rump-ranger. NOT interested.
"have not yet realized the full promise of equal opportunity and equal justice."
#2. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
"Mushtaq Hussain, a member of the center, made the police complaint, telling officers he believed the incident was a hate crime because Muslims do not eat pork"
New Yorker's American's God-given right". ~ Mayor Nathan, Ghostbusters
#3. To: Murron (#2)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
How fascinating, Murron. Where in the Bible does God or Jesus implore people to treat others like dirt?
#5. To: Murron (#4)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#7. To: Badeye (#6)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
For example,you and I have had our spats in here, and at LP. But I like you and appreciate your good qualities as a woman and human being. It allows me not to waste time and energy on pointless and meaningless grudges.
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
According to your spiteful way of looking at this, you invite a feud with both sides free to take turns being a disrespectful offender and the ones offended.
#10. To: Badeye (#6)
Lets send em bacon strips, and be done with it.
#11. To: Murron (#8)
#12. To: Badeye (#9)
"According to THEIR SPITEFUL WAY, they want to send me a not so smart bomb while I'm picking up a pizza, Mike."
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
How fascinating, Murron. Where in the Bible does God or Jesus implore people to treat others like dirt?
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
#15. To: go65 (#13)
#16. To: go65 (#13)
#17. To: Badeye (#14)
#18. To: Ferret Mike, Badeye (#17)
It does indeed apply to you as you express sentiments similar to those that prompted the wrongs committed in the name of Christianity allegedly to defend it.
#19. To: Murron (#18)
More on the Soldier Kareem R. Khan
#20. To: Ferret Mike, Badeye (#7)
How about if we work through disagreements without childish displays of immature disrespect?
--Cool Hand Luke, 1977
--Captain, Road Prison 36:
#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#20)
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#19)
#23. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)
Liberals are now pro nuclear proliferation and in support of fundamentalist religions that are against homosexuality.
#24. To: Murron (#22)
(Edited)
#25. To: hondo68 (#1)
When will the average non-minority American, regular guy, Joe Sixpack "realize the full promise of equal justice and equal opportunity"?
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
#27. To: Murron (#26)
(Edited)
"My family of Irish and Native Americans were also decent, hard working and caring people, but they didn't receive any special treatment, or get respect they never earned, I'll not go into details how low-down and shitty they were treated, use your imagination."
"Where do you get off dictating to me how I should feel about anyone, of any persuasion? Leave me at least the right to make up my own mind how I should feel about anyone."
"No one ever said life was fair mike, I think anyone who would covertly sabotage a fellow service person because of their religious affiliation should be thrown out, but it's kinda hard to russel up sympathy when an islamic muslim freak masacres them on their own bases. Life sucks, shit happens to all of us, European Americans getting the worst of it, but unless you want to round up everyone for what they THINK, and FORCE them to think like you, then there isn't much you can do about, it's still a free country where we can THINK anyway we want."
#28. To: Badeye (#15)
Islamic fundementalist already hate us, GO65. You might want to actually listen to them, instead of treating them like your neighbors unruly kids.
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#29. To: Murron (#22)
I have respect for any man, or woman, no matter their race, or religion, who defend our nation, they deserve it, but what is it you want, respect for the intire muslim world?
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#30. To: go65 (#28)
Liberals are now pro nuclear proliferation and in support of fundamentalist religions that are against homosexuality.
#31. To: WhiteSands (#30)
(Edited)
Which sect or version of Islam does not consider homosexuality evil?
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#32. To: WhiteSands (#30)
"Which sect or version of Islam does not consider homosexuality evil?"
#33. To: go65 (#31)
(Edited)
Liberals are now pro nuclear proliferation and in support of fundamentalist religions that are against homosexuality.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
It does indeed apply to you as you express sentiments similar to those that prompted the wrongs committed in the name of Christianity allegedly to defend it.
#35. To: Capitalist Eric (#20)
#36. To: go65 (#28)
#37. To: WhiteSands (#33)
I oppose ALL religions.
Reality check - Government spending is down, the deficit is down, government employment is down, and private hiring is up.
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Come on Eric, please tell us why you believe this.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
My point was simple; Muslims should not be condemned as a group.
the experience of the judgment of me being colored by my religion was frightening.
#40. To: go65 (#29)
How about we simply judge each according to the content of their heart rather than arguing that Muslim=Terrorist?
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
IT takes more then familiarity on how to format in HTML to give opinion weight.
#42. To: Badeye (#34)
I did NOTHING to deserve being targetted by these homicidal maniacs.
#43. To: lucysmom (#25)
When you realize you can't push the rest of us around anymore and decide to play nice.
#44. To: Murron (#42)
This puts me to mind of the ignorant women who get the dog ship beat out of them by their raving, drunkin lunatic husbands, they rationalize the beatings by thinking they must have done something to deserve those beatings, they must have done something wrong,
#45. To: Badeye (#44)
Its not like the Jihadist has a kind word for gays, women that can read, write or drive, PETA, enviromental terrorists, etc etc etc.
#46. To: lucysmom (#45)
Its not like the Jihadist has a kind word for gays, women that can read, write or drive, PETA, enviromental terrorists, etc etc etc. Sounds like you have a lot in common.
#47. To: Capitalist Eric (#41)
"You attack those who would express the truth, in an attempt to promote your own nominalist philosophies.
#48. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)
(Edited)
We get your point. You're just wrong, that's all. When you understand that "Islam is essentially a religion of death, then those that follow such a religion deserve condemnation. Your inability to make such a determination, doesn't reflect badly on everyone else, but it sure makes you look the fool."
"Aha. Now I understand. Your words are based on internal fears, rather than logic. Thanks for the clarification."
#49. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)
"About ten years ago, for curiosity's sake, I did a linear regression analysis, comparing religion to incidents of domestic war, where large numbers of people are killed (genocidal actions). There's a very high correlation, when you plug in Islam as the variable."
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
And the 'truth' is everything you believe, right?
Because you are perfect, and never wrong.
You are arrogant, and your hubris is quite amusing.
Frankly, I bet the guy who cleans your swimming pool has more moral character than you do.
Also, I don't play tennis;
but if you are ever up here and do martial arts, you are welcome to come down to the dojo and spar with me. Perhaps if you have experience and rank in you chosen martial art you can win for real. I'm pretty good, but certainly not the best one down there.
Agent Smith: [to Neo] Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
#52. To: Capitalist Eric (#50)
"No. Truth can be defined as something which is observable, meaasureable and repeatable. In scientific circles, this is the basis for "science."
"Relativists often resort to this tactic, when they fail to make a convincing argument. [Women use it far more than men.]"
"It was a metaphor. Another distinction lost on you."
"Agent Smith: [to Neo] Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"
#53. To: Capitalist Eric (#51)
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
I have no desire to try to 'trap' you....
I also am curious as to whether you have any friend who disagree with you profoundly politically; or if you also seek to belittle and dehumanize them in order to build your self up at their expense.
It is obvious you think yourself my intellectual superior...
If we ever did do a complete and comprehensive debate on Islam, it is me who would clean your clock. Of that I am sure.
I find your argument/debate skill quite amateurish...
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