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Title: Bacon Strips Spelling Out 'Pig' Left Outside SC Islamic Center
Source: TPMMuckraker
URL Source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme ... th_carolina_islamic_center.php
Published: Oct 13, 2010
Author: TPMMuckraker
Post Date: 2010-10-13 12:28:29 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: None
Views: 36158
Comments: 54

Slices of bacon were laid down on a brink walkway to the Florence Islamic Center in Florence, S.C. on Sunday in a manner that spelled out "PIG CHOPS." The incident -- evidently aimed the center because of the Islamic dietary restrictions against pork -- is just the latest in a string of anti-Muslim episodes around the country.

In fact this isn't the first time even this particular mosque has been hit -- earlier this year vandals broke windows in the facility, according to local news station ABC 15.

A conflicting Associated Press report said the bacon slices were arranged to spell out "PIG CHUMP." The bacon slices were placed on the sidewalk between 7 a.m. and 2 p.m. on Sunday, Florence Police Major Carlos Raines told the AP.

"There's absolutely nothing that identifies it as a mosque," Raines told the AP. "It's an insult, and I'm sure that's what it was intended for."

Mushtaq Hussain, a member of the center, made the police complaint, telling officers he believed the incident was a hate crime because Muslims do not eat pork, according to SCNow.com. Raines said the department plans to increase patrols near the center.

Abdul Ghani, a member of the board of the 30-family large Islamic center, told TPMMuckraker that members of the center weren't too worried about the incident, but he said it indicated that there was a need for non-Muslims to be educated about the beliefs of Muslims.

"We didn't take it too serious," he said. "We wanted to let everybody know what happened. People don't know about our religion and they are just more influenced by the news."

He said that the South Carolina neighborhood where the Islamic Center is located is fairly diverse.

"We are here, mixed, between... American people and Pakistani and Arabs," Ghani said. "We are not too big a group of people, not too big a community, but we are mostly family people and small business people here."

The Florence Islamic Center is currently raising money to build a Masjid in the town, according to their website. Several anti-Muslim incidents have been tied to the construction of new mosques.

Police are investigating, according to local news station NewsChannel 15. TPMMuckraker left a message with a police spokesman, but the call was not immediately returned.

A top Justice Department official recently visited Murfreesboro, Tenn. in an attempt to reassure Muslims who have been the victims of arson and vandalism in that area. The official, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez, had noted in a previous speech that Muslim-Americans "continue to struggle for acceptance in many communities" and "have not yet realized the full promise of equal opportunity and equal justice."

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#2. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)

"Mushtaq Hussain, a member of the center, made the police complaint, telling officers he believed the incident was a hate crime because Muslims do not eat pork"

"What am I supposed to do? Go on television and tell ten million people they have to be nice to each other? Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's American's God-given right". ~ Mayor Nathan, Ghostbusters

Murron  posted on  2010-10-13   13:40:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Murron (#2)

How fascinating, Murron. Where in the Bible does God or Jesus implore people to treat others like dirt?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-13   15:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

How fascinating, Murron. Where in the Bible does God or Jesus implore people to treat others like dirt?

It's written in the same place where I wanted to talk to you about the bible...

Murron  posted on  2010-10-13   16:02:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Murron (#4)

Well my dear, I am a firm believer in the Golden Rule, something actually embraced by Christians to an extremely deep degree.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is a good principle. It allows me to see the value of people and to care about them even when I have fought them verbally or otherwise in the past.

For example,you and I have had our spats in here, and at LP. But I like you and appreciate your good qualities as a woman and human being. It allows me not to waste time and energy on pointless and meaningless grudges.

We always have the right to defend and disagree; but we should always remember and respect the humanity and dignity of others, regardless of anything else.

And I believe that that is a notion central to at least the new Testament of the Bible.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-13   16:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Lets send em bacon strips, and be done with it.

Badeye  posted on  2010-10-13   16:20:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#6)

According to your spiteful way of looking at this, you invite a feud with both sides free to take turns being a disrespectful offender and the ones offended.

How about if we work through disagreements without childish displays of immature disrespect? This gesture does nothing good. It even degrades the person doing it as a hater and baiter.

It is as foolish as trying to kill someone for drawing a picture of Mohammad. I want none of such foolishness.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-13   16:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike, Badeye (#7)

How about if we work through disagreements without childish displays of immature disrespect?

Translation "Can't we all just get along???

REAL-WORLD ANSWER: NO.

"What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."
--Cool Hand Luke, 1977
--Captain, Road Prison 36:

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-13   17:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#20)

IT takes more then familiarity on how to format in HTML to give opinion weight.

And you feel this is so because.....

Come on Eric, please tell us why you believe this.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-13   17:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Come on Eric, please tell us why you believe this.

It's something I "feel" or "believe."

It's fact.

About ten years ago, for curiosity's sake, I did a linear regression analysis, comparing religion to incidents of domestic war, where large numbers of people are killed (genocidal actions). There's a very high correlation, when you plug in Islam as the variable.

Of course, this is confirmed by something you refuse to apply: common sense.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-14   10:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)

"About ten years ago, for curiosity's sake, I did a linear regression analysis, comparing religion to incidents of domestic war, where large numbers of people are killed (genocidal actions). There's a very high correlation, when you plug in Islam as the variable."

What was the time period parameters, and did you use any methodology to assure your research was impartial?

Christianity historically has genocidally killed a large number of people and has had stronger, more deeply institutionalized tools with which to effect their cultural and geographical hegemony with; such as 'The Doctrine of Discovery' for example.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-14   17:43:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ferret Mike (#49)

I did it ten years ago, so I'm not gonna' pretend I can rattle off the details... I'm sure if I looked back through my old college books, I could find the original notes on that... But I have more important things to do than dig through the garage, to satisfy the challenge- and childish attempt at a trap- of someone like you.

I was going to say "nice try," but really, it wasn't.

Heh.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-14   18:06:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Capitalist Eric (#51)

I have no desire to try to 'trap' you. I am merely curious, as you are very FReeper in how you look at things. And I wonder if your methodology was sloppy as to insure you got the results you wished to have additional tools in an argument or debate concerning Islam.

I also am curious as to whether you have any friend who disagree with you profoundly politically; or if you also seek to belittle and dehumanize them in order to build your self up at their expense.

It is obvious you think yourself my intellectual superior - the hubris thing about you comes through very clearly - however I find your argument/debate skill quite amateurish, and you do not have the patience, temperament, or empathy for others requisite to ever achieve a high level of ability at arguing a side of an argument online.

You are extremely quick to belittle and insult, and you have always been this way. You would just as soon as insult, declare victory and run for your life as do anything else.

If we ever did do a complete and comprehensive debate on Islam, it is me who would clean your clock. Of that I am sure.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-10-14   21:57:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#53)

I have no desire to try to 'trap' you....

Uh-huh. NICE. If it was any more transparent, it would've been made of glass. LOL.

I also am curious as to whether you have any friend who disagree with you profoundly politically; or if you also seek to belittle and dehumanize them in order to build your self up at their expense.

My wife and I disagree vehemently on certain issues. Not a surprise- it happens. My closest friends- most I've known for well over 20 years- disagree with me on a variety of issues- some moral, some political, whatever... Respect is earned, through actions. While we all have our intellectual "wish lists" of things we'd like to see happen (peace in the world, blah blah blah...), what people do in real life, is what tells me who they are. Even in this, a very close friend sometimes does things I find ethically... questionable. I learn to look beyond this, to the remainder of the person. If they're worthy, I can call them a friend. If not...? Then I let them disappear.

What of it?

It is obvious you think yourself my intellectual superior...

It's not something I think, it's something I know. It is a fact. I say that with no sense of satisfaction or... anything else, for that matter. Technically speaking, I'm a "genius." Again, I get no satisfaction from such labels, as they are relativistic terms, in my viewpoint. I really don't care about such things, as they don't begin to describe who I am, but merely compare me against others, like yourself. I'm ahead of you. Big deal.

If we ever did do a complete and comprehensive debate on Islam, it is me who would clean your clock. Of that I am sure.

Think as you wish. Your delusions of significance are laughable.

Back to your other point,

I find your argument/debate skill quite amateurish...

I speak from facts, as I have NO time for political bullshit, moral relativism and 'malleable' truths. You don't like that. Fine.

But understand: I really don't give a shit about your opinion. Your adolescent games and attempts to trap me in anther subject of debate, aren't worth a squirt of piss.

Try to imagine how little I care about your pathetic attempts at wit.

I don't think I'm your intellectual superior; I AM.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2010-10-15   2:16:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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