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Title: Galileo Was Wrong, The Church Was Right
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Published: Sep 14, 2010
Author: Assorted Wingnuts
Post Date: 2010-09-14 20:00:56 by Skip Intro
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Comments: 35
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#3. To: Skip Intro (#0)
It is a myth that Galileo waged a war of science against dogma. Frankly, there were more scientific problems with heliocentrism at the time than just adding more epicycles to the Ptolemaic system. Galileo was persecuted by the Church for being an asshole. And it wasn't really very much of a "persecution."
Why do you attempt to argue from such a corrupt knowledge base? Do you realize that EVERYONE knows that you're lying here? Copernicus' mathematical model for The Revolution of Celestial Spheres was published 20 years before Galileo was even born. /dickwad Why don't you stay at LP, Paddy? The dumb seem to thrive there - with a couple exceptions, Too Conservative, We The People...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_heliocentrism#Reference-Gingerich-2004 Acceptance of Copernican heliocentrism From publication until about 1700, few astronomers were convinced by the Copernican system, though the book was relatively widely circulated (around 500 copies of the first and second editions have survived, which is a large number by the scientific standards of the time). --- Galileo died before 1600 and contemporary scientists in 1700, were still, by and large, not impressed by heliocentrism.
ROFLMAO...what happened to Galileo barely a generation before, YA DICKHEAD? HE DIED UNDER HOUSE ARREST. Ya ***think*** they wanted to share his fate? Please, Padlock...I'm not SOD. I'm not Joe Snuffy. I'm not Otis.
Ya ***think*** they wanted to share his fate? You are completely clueless as to the as to the scientific problems with accepting heliocentrism at that rime. HE DIED UNDER HOUSE ARREST. For his political gestures in mocking the Pope, not for scientific beliefs. It's not what you don't know; its what you think you know that is bullshit war=bullshit
Putting aside the issue that you don't even know when Galileo died, dickhead, the "problem" can be summed up in three words: The Catholic Church. By 1700, the Renaissance, then the Age of Reason then the Enlightenment had successfully supplanted the moronics perpetrated by religion and Scientists were able to go about their work without be shackled for it...unless they were female or black...
The church didn't invent the ptolemaic system. The Catholic Church. By 1700, the Renaissance, then the Age of Reason then the Enlightenment had successfully supplanted the moronics perpetrated by religion and Scientists You can't present the first bit of evidence that the Church ever prosecuted anybody because of their scientific belief in heliocentrism. I won't say the church wasn't too involved in government at the time, but galieo was punished for being a dick, not for science, sort of like you.
Galileo was persecuted and prosecuted EXACTLY for that, dickhead. Galileo was ordered to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633. The sentence of the Inquisition was in three essential parts: * Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy," namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. * He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life. * His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.
Dumbass, it was a show trial, like Scooter Libby. If he had acted in any kind of a diplomatic manner, he never would have been prosecuted. Geez, he lived a life a of luxury after his house arrest. Either prove the scientists years after his death were intimatated by the Church, or just go have another beer.
Had Galileo ACTUALLY uttered, "It still moves" he'd have been put to death, It's morning, Paddy, and you still look stupid. If the church doesn't try to control and discount science - which it is still trying to do, btw - there is no trial, show or otherwise. Galileo was persectured and prosectuted for his work and his beliefs. END OF STORY. But at the least, you learned that Galileo died in 1642.
#23. To: war (#22)
The bigger problem was Galileo's manner of promoting his beliefs. To do so, he reinterpreted Scripture in contradiction to traditional understandings, which ran counter to the dictates of the Council of Trent. Perhaps even worse was his mockery of the pope. You are still an idiot even after the real facts have been demonstrated to you. END OF STORY
You don't even get this right. The story was he muttered the phrase in Latin under his breath, but that is now considered a tall tale.
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#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
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Frankly, there were more scientific problems with heliocentrism at the time than just adding more epicycles to the Ptolemaic system.
#6. To: war (#4)
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#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
From publication until about 1700, few astronomers were convinced by the Copernican system, though the book was relatively widely circulated (around 500 copies of the first and second editions have survived, which is a large number by the scientific standards of the time).
#8. To: war (#7)
ROFLMAO...what happened to Galileo barely a generation before, YA DICKHEAD? HE DIED UNDER HOUSE ARREST.
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#8)
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You are completely clueless as to the as to the scientific problems with accepting heliocentrism at that rime.
#16. To: war (#10)
#18. To: no gnu taxes (#16)
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that the Church ever prosecuted anybody because of their scientific belief in heliocentrism.
#19. To: war (#18)
#22. To: no gnu taxes (#19)
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Replies to Comment # 22. What did get Galileo in trouble with the church were two things. First, because the church had historically followed Aristotle (as did secularists) in interpreting scientific data, it wanted hard evidence to support Galileo's views, which he did not have. For Galileo to insist that his theory was true to the way things really were was to step outside proper scientific boundaries. He simply didn't have enough hard data to make such a claim. The problem, then, wasn't between religion and science, but between methods of interpreting the data. But this, in itself, wasn't enough to bring the church down on him.
#25. To: war (#22)
Had Galileo ACTUALLY uttered, "It still moves" he'd have been put to death,
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