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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Religion See other Religion Articles Title: Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Source: MSMBC URL Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39118941/ Published: Sep 11, 2010 Author: By Michael Isikoff Post Date: 2010-09-11 21:31:33 by Murron Keywords: None Views: 76648 Comments: 80 Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Envoy says he fears persecution if he leaves the U.S. and returns home A ranking Saudi diplomat told NBC News that he has asked for political asylum in the United States, saying he fears for his life if he is forced to return to his native country. The diplomat, Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman. In a recent letter that he posted on a Saudi website, Asseri angrily criticized his country’s “backwardness” as well as the role of “militant imams” in Saudi society who have “defaced the tolerance of Islam.” Perhaps most provocatively of all, he has threatened to expose what he describes as politically embarrassing information about members of the Saudi royal family living in luxury in the U.S. If he is forced to go back to Saudi Arabia — as Saudi officials are demanding — Asseri says he could face political persecution and even death. “My life is in a great danger here and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight,” Asseri said Saturday in an email to NBC. In a recent interview, Asseri and his lawyer said that the Saudi diplomat was questioned by a Department of Homeland Security official in Los Angeles on Aug. 30 after formally applying for asylum on the grounds that he is a member of a “particular social group” — gays — that would subject him to persecution if he returns to his home country. Officials at DHS in Washington as well as the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles did not respond to requests for comment. Poster Comment: It has to be al-Qaida after him, Islamic muzlims wouldn't make threats, or harm him, they are not the enemy... obama said so~ "The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving people. They include millions of our fellow citizens in this country who are our friends, neighbors and co-workers and attend school with our children. What would it say if we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive." It's important to be clear on who the enemy is — al-Qaida and extremists, not Islam or the majority of Muslims." ~ Obama; 9/11/2010 Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 26. #1. To: Murron (#0) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   21:38:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Skip Intro (#1) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. Is that really where you want to go? Accusing me of wanting to murder fags. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   21:49:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro (#2) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. I would never harm a gay person just because they are gay, the only thing that would ever cause me to get physical, is if the fool put their hands on me, but that would go for just about anyone. I'll leave his punishment up to God, I do well trying to keep track of my own sins...but if a gay dude, or dudette comes here and wishes to be a member, cool with me, as long as they're not militant or radical about it....door swings both ways on tolerance. If you don't like my stand on gay issues skip, too bad, I wasn't put on this earth to coddle or appease you in anyway....walk it off! Murron  posted on  2010-09-11   22:13:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Murron (#7) I don't think anyone denies Muslims hate gays. They're not exactly unique in that regard. I also don't think many deny that radical Muslims are violent. The problem the US has is not to create more radicals. That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:23:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Skip Intro (#8) That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea. It was a constitutional violation. Zero did nothing when he found out. The military is subject to the constitution too. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited) It has nothing to do with the constitution. If a group of religious people want and hand out bibles after were gone, I could care less. I do care that what this group was trying to do would have gotten more of our military killed. The military knew this and acted exactly correct in this case. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:37:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Skip Intro (#10) No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion. Are you saying there are no christians in Afghanistan? Don't they have a choice to choose if they want to accept Bibles? You have strange uncorrect beliefs. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:40:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited) No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion. Oh, is that what we're doing there? So how many hundreds of thousands of Americans are you willing to sacrifice to spread your religious beliefs there? You do understand that Afghanistan is a different country than the US, don't you? That our constitution doesn't apply to the Afghanis? That were in the middle of a war there? If we ever leave that hellhole, you and your fellow fundies are free to go there and evangelize to your heart's content. That way you're only risking your lives for your beliefs, not that of our military. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Skip Intro (#12) I never supported the war. Do soldiers lose their constitutional rights when deployed in the name of "protecting our freedom"? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:50:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) I never supported the war. Neither did I. We're not talking about the constitutional rights of the soldiers. You do understand what this whole controversy was about, don't you? It had nothing to do with the troops having bibles. "MOAA’s Directer of or Public Relations, Colonel Marv Harris, USAF (Ret), contacted the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs and reported back the following: OASD/PA says that an individual’s church sent Bibles translated into local languages to him for distribution. He went to his Chaplain asking what to do. The Chaplain, rightly so, counseled him about the rules against trying to convert people to another religion. Trying to convert Muslims to another faith is a crime in Afghanistan. Rather than ship the Bibles back to the donating Church and risking that they might get into civilian hands in that area, leadership elected to put them into a dumpster. Dumpster contents are burned in Afghanistan. The individual involved is not being punished. He did not ask for the Bibles and followed the chain of command in telling about them." By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:03:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Skip Intro (#14) So the military doesn't have to follow the constitution when overseas? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:11:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: A K A Stone (#15) Did you even read what I just posted? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:13:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Skip Intro (#16) Yeah I read what you said. It violated the constitution though. So does the constitution apply to the military when they are overseas in your view? The constitution isn't only supposed to be followed when they want to or it is convenient. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: A K A Stone (#17) It violated the constitution though. What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:19:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Skip Intro (#18) What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans? When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? For about the fifth time is the military bound by the constitution when deployed overseas? Do soldiers lose their rights when deplooyed overseas? Why are you so afraid to answer that question? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: A K A Stone (#21) When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? Yes. It's illegal to do that in Afghanistan. We are not at war with the government of Afghanistan, so when in their country we follow their laws. Is it really that difficult for you to grasp this? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:28:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Skip Intro (#23) He is on a military base and it has its own laws. Are there no christians in Afghanistan? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:30:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 26. #58. To: A K A Stone (#26) http://reproductiverights.org/en/document/penalized-for-serving-their-country-the-ban-on-abortion-for-women-in-the-military Stone, the Military can make their own rules if command determines it has to to maintain order, discipline and accomplish the various missions at hand. The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy. They have prohibited religious salesmanship over there, much as they have ordered women serving in Saudi Arabia to wear Muslim grade clothing there and won't let them drive. IF they determine a right you have here gets in the way of accomplishing the mission, you lose it. It has always been that way. I know what I'm talking about. Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-09-12 00:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 26. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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