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Title: As a scientist I'm certain Stephen Hawking is wrong. You can't explain the universe without God
Source: Daily Mail
URL Source: [None]
Published: Sep 7, 2010
Author: Professor John Lennox
Post Date: 2010-09-07 22:49:37 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 50378
Comments: 71

There's no denying that Stephen Hawking is intellectually bold as well as physically heroic. And in his latest book, the renowned physicist mounts an audacious challenge to the traditional religious belief in the divine creation of the universe.

According to Hawking, the laws of physics, not the will of God, provide the real explanation as to how life on Earth came into being. The Big Bang, he argues, was the inevitable consequence of these laws 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Unfortunately, while Hawking's argument is being hailed as controversial and ground-breaking, it is hardly new.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.

What Hawking appears to have done is to confuse law with agency. His call on us to choose between God and physics is a bit like someone demanding that we choose between aeronautical engineer Sir Frank Whittle and the laws of physics to explain the jet engine.

That is a confusion of category. The laws of physics can explain how the jet engine works, but someone had to build the thing, put in the fuel and start it up. The jet could not have been created without the laws of physics on their own - but the task of development and creation needed the genius of Whittle as its agent.

Similarly, the laws of physics could never have actually built the universe. Some agency must have been involved.

To use a simple analogy, Isaac Newton's laws of motion in themselves never sent a snooker ball racing across the green baize. That can only be done by people using a snooker cue and the actions of their own arms.

Hawking's argument appears to me even more illogical when he says the existence of gravity means the creation of the universe was inevitable. But how did gravity exist in the first place? Who put it there? And what was the creative force behind its birth?

Similarly, when Hawking argues, in support of his theory of spontaneous creation, that it was only necessary for 'the blue touch paper' to be lit to 'set the universe going', the question must be: where did this blue touch paper come from? And who lit it, if not God?

Much of the rationale behind Hawking's argument lies in the idea that there is a deep-seated conflict between science and religion. But this is not a discord I recognise.

For me, as a Christian believer, the beauty of the scientific laws only reinforces my faith in an intelligent, divine creative force at work. The more I understand science, the more I believe in God because of my wonder at the breadth, sophistication and integrity of his creation.

The very reason science flourished so vigorously in the 16th and 17th centuries was precisely because of the belief that the laws of nature which were then being discovered and defined reflected the influence of a divine law-giver.

One of the fundamental themes of Christianity is that the universe was built according to a rational , intelligent design. Far from being at odds with science, the Christian faith actually makes perfect scientific sense.

Some years ago, the scientist Joseph Needham made an epic study of technological development in China. He wanted to find out why China, for all its early gifts of innovation, had fallen so far behind Europe in the advancement of science.

He reluctantly came to the conclusion that European science had been spurred on by the widespread belief in a rational creative force, known as God, which made all scientific laws comprehensible.

Despite this, Hawking, like so many other critics of religion, wants us to believe we are nothing but a random collection of molecules, the end product of a mindless process.

This, if true, would undermine the very rationality we need to study science. If the brain were really the result of an unguided process, then there is no reason to believe in its capacity to tell us the truth.

We live in an information age. When we see a few letters of the alphabet spelling our name in the sand, our immediate response is to recognise the work of an intelligent agent. How much more likely, then, is an intelligent creator behind the human DNA, the colossal biological database that contains no fewer than 3.5 billion 'letters'?

It is fascinating that Hawking, in attacking religion, feels compelled to put so much emphasis on the Big Bang theory. Because, even if the non-believers don't like it, the Big Bang fits in exactly with the Christian narrative of creation.

That is why, before the Big Bang gained currency, so many scientists were keen to dismiss it, since it seemed to support the Bible story. Some clung to Aristotle's view of the 'eternal universe' without beginning or end; but this theory, and later variants of it, are now deeply discredited.

But support for the existence of God moves far beyond the realm of science. Within the Christian faith, there is also the powerful evidence that God revealed himself to mankind through Jesus Christ two millennia ago. This is well-documented not just in the scriptures and other testimony but also in a wealth of archaeological findings.

Moreover, the religious experiences of millions of believers cannot lightly be dismissed. I myself and my own family can testify to the uplifting influence faith has had on our lives, something which defies the idea we are nothing more than a random collection of molecules.

Just as strong is the obvious reality that we are moral beings, capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong. There is no scientific route to such ethics.

Physics cannot inspire our concern for others, or the spirit of altruism that has existed in human societies since the dawn of time.

The existence of a common pool of moral values points to the existence of transcendent force beyond mere scientific laws. Indeed, the message of atheism has always been a curiously depressing one, portraying us as selfish creatures bent on nothing more than survival and self-gratification.

Hawking also thinks that the potential existence of other lifeforms in the universe undermines the traditional religious conviction that we are living on a unique, God-created planet. But there is no proof that other lifeforms are out there, and Hawking certainly does not present any.

It always amuses me that atheists often argue for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligence beyond earth. Yet they are only too eager to denounce the possibility that we already have a vast, intelligent being out there: God.

Hawking's new fusillade cannot shake the foundations of a faith that is based on evidence.

God's Undertaker: Has science Buried God? by John Lennox is out now (Lion Hudson, £8.99).

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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

A scientist and god are oxymorons.

Like this:

I have friends who work on the West Antarctic ice sheet , and they say [when a collapse happens] you'll hear it in Sydney... Sea levels would rise pretty much instantaneously, certainly over a few months. We don't know how much it would rise. It could be 10 centimeters, or a metre. We will have begun a retreat from our coasts... Once you have started that process, we wouldn't know when the next part of the ice sheet would collapse, we don't know whether sea level will stabilise. There's no point of retreat where you can safely go back to... I doubt whether our global civilisation could survive such a blow, particularly the uncertainty it would bring."

Nature doesn't follow political fashion. Global warming may not be hot today, but the planet is – hotter than ever. When you stare out over the wave of Weather of Mass Destruction we are unleashing, who looks crazy – the protesters, or the people who have yet to join them?

You can follow Johann Hari on Twitter at twitter.com/johannhari101

j.hari@independent.co.uk

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   7:58:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

You can follow Johann Hari on Twitter at twitter.com/johannhari101

No thanks..

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-08   8:01:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Let's see.

You don't want to know:

Arctic Ice Extent.

Russia Fires, Drought, Wheat Export Ban, Millions in Pakistan starving, while US bombs them. Guatemala, C America worst floods ever. Amazon on brink of collapse

Definitely nothing to do with everyone on the Gulf Coast getting blood filled with a combo of air borne anti freeze/an entire oil fractionating column of the most carcinogenic hydrocarbons known.

And on and on. But your Great White Cloud Father. You want to believe 24/7.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   8:15:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mcgowanjm (#8)

Russia Fires, Drought, Wheat Export Ban

I saw some coverage of that on Democracy Now! this past hour.

Dang, I have errands to run and I'll check in later.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-08   9:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

I saw some coverage of that on Democracy Now! this past hour.

Dang, I have errands to run and I'll check in later.

;}

Ukraine stopping grain ships in harbor. UN: "Stop that." ;}

# # UKRAINE BUSINESS NEWS - THREE ARTICLES - US-Ukraine Business ... Aug 20, 2010 ... Ukrainian Grain Association (UGA) in Ukrainian, Kyiv, Ukraine, Wed, ... demurrage of ships in Ukrainian ports, unplanned grain storage in port .... However, the measure was nevertheless effective in stopping any grain ... www.usubc.org/site/recent.../ukraine-business-news-three-articles -

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   9:04:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

unplanned grain storage in port...

Along with unplanned drought on farms. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   9:05:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#12)

Along with unplanned drought on farms.

"It's God punishing us for O'bastard."

Goldi-Lox

war  posted on  2010-09-08   9:09:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#14)

Along with unplanned drought on farms.

"It's God punishing us for O'bastard."

Goldi-Lox

So we haven't even got to what we've done pre 2009?

8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-08   22:12:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

Nope. Boy Blunder sucked israel's ass...God loved us then...

war  posted on  2010-09-09   7:54:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#59)

Nope. Boy Blunder sucked israel's ass...God loved us then...

I'll always (until credible source otherwise;} think Dayan/Meir blackmailed LBJ with the JFK Assassination.

And the US hasn't looked back since:

Arguing for a restoration of civil liberties, le Carre warns against the insidious power of what some in the United States term the “deep state”.

“We have so many people who are indoctrinated, who are admitted to the secrets of state, and we have the people outside the circle.

“We have a situation where it is possible to go up to MPs as a whip in the House of Commons, as happened I think before the outbreak of the Iraq war, and say: ‘If you have seen the papers I have seen, I know how you will vote.’

Q. In your opinion, what are the most important subjects for the coming year?

Education—36%; the Iranian threat—13%; the war on corruption—12.7%; peace with the Palestinians—11.3%; traffic accidents—11.2%; dealing with poverty—7.9%

The poll by Teleseker questioned 500 people. The margin of error is 4.4 percent.

“The victims always remember, the winners forget.”

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:34:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mcgowanjm (#60)

I'll always (until credible source otherwise;} think Dayan/Meir blackmailed LBJ with the JFK Assassination

I'll never be convinced that it was for anything other than CIA/Mob being double crossed over Cuba.

Oswald was CIA...'nuff said...

war  posted on  2010-09-09   8:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#61)

I'll never be convinced that it was for anything other than CIA/Mob being double crossed over Cuba.

Oswald was CIA...'nuff said...

Except:

DeMorenschilt's phone number. Who committed Suicide nite before testifying to Warren Commission.

First thing LBJ does is reverse decision to remove 'Advisors' from Vietnam.

2nd was JFK ordering Navy to back off Bay of Pigs.

Strike 3, gather up and burn all those pesky silver backed Non Fed Notes.

June 4th, 1963- On that day John F Kennedy,President of the United States signed executive order 11110 that returned the U.S. government the power to issue currency Without Going Through the Federal Reserve , giving the Treasury the power to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion,,silver or standard silver in the Treasury. This meant for every amount of silver the government could introduce new money into circulation it brought 4.3 billion dollars into circulation.

John F. Kennedy was assasinated five months later and the Executive Order has never been repealed.

Cedric X JFK?FED info:

Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:43:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mcgowanjm (#63)

First thing LBJ does is reverse decision to remove 'Advisors' from Vietnam.

LBJ wasn't stupid. He saw himself as equally "disposable".

I have no doubt that he asked them what they wanted...Cuba or Vietnam...

It's also no coincidence that the Mob thrived under LBJ and Nixon/Ford.

war  posted on  2010-09-09   8:45:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#64)

LBJ wasn't stupid. He saw himself as equally "disposable".

Oh yeah, you got that right.

LBJ was blackmailed before JFK. Hated JFK more than Bush41 hated Reagan.

And LBJ didn't ask. He was told. And he could even try to get Jackie in bed if he wanted.

1) Jackie trying to get out of the car 2)Jackie left for a Greek Magnate and protection.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   8:56:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mcgowanjm (#65)

2)Jackie left for a Greek Magnate and protection.

James, you always make it sound so simple.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-09-09   9:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Fred Mertz (#67)

;} And exciting. That's what Truth is.

The reason people hate history. They know it ain't right.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-09-09   9:54:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: All (#68) (Edited)

double gas exports to Russia in 2011 to two billion cubic meters, and further increase them from 2012, gas giant Gazprom said, in a move that may deal a blow to the European gas project Nabucco.

AFP - Azerbaijan will double gas exports to Russia in 2011 and increase them further from 2012, the countries said on Friday in a move that could undercut Europe's drive to secure Central Asian supplies.

Go ahead and burn a truck load of Qurans a day. The azeri's will love US for it, I'm sure. Give us the gas for free maybe? You'll want to get those nuke/drones ready though. 8D

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