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Title: 55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?
Source: NRO
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/campa ... socialist-accurate-label-obama
Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Jim Geraghty
Post Date: 2010-07-09 10:41:30 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 59552
Comments: 80

55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?

July 09, 2010 9:13 AM By Jim Geraghty The latest poll by Democracy Corps, the firm of James Carville and Stan Greenberg, has Republicans leading on the generic ballot among likely voters, 48 percent to 42 percent.

Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.”

On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.

When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”

In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.

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#2. To: Badeye (#0)

In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.

Since Republicans have been working overtime to pin the label on him, they should be pleased.

Too bad they haven't done such a good job improving their own image.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   10:46:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama

Further results reveal that 80% of voters don't know what the term means...

war  posted on  2010-07-09   10:48:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war, lucysmom, badeye (#3)

Further results reveal that 80% of voters don't know what the term means...

Funny how the Socialist Party doesn't even claim Obama is a socialist:

But Billy Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He’s seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn’t a socialist. He’s not even a liberal.

“We didn’t see a great victory with the election of Barack Obama,” Wharton says, ” and we certainly didn’t see our agenda move from the streets to the White House.”

And here's what the Socialist Party said in a press release on March 29th about Obamacare:

"It is a corporate restructuring of the health insurance industry created to protect the profit margins of private insurance companies,”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/03/tea-party-head-spinner-sociali.html

go65  posted on  2010-07-09   10:53:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65 (#6)

Take it up with Carville and Greenberg, well known 'neo cons' (laughing)

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   11:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Badeye (#11)

Take it up with Carville and Greenberg, well known 'neo cons' (laughing)

what's there to take up? They conducted a poll that shows that people are buying into Republican idiocy.

Congrats.

go65  posted on  2010-07-09   11:27:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#14)

Take it up with Carville and Greenberg, well known 'neo cons' (laughing) what's there to take up? They conducted a poll that shows that people are buying into Republican idiocy.

Really? Can you provide something to support this claim?

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   11:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Badeye (#18)

Can you provide something to support this claim?

The results of the poll you posted showed that respondents are buying the line of crap from the GOP that Obama is a socialist.

Meanwhile, those who actually know what a socialist is, say he isn't and instead point to Palin as being one of them.

go65  posted on  2010-07-09   12:56:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: go65 (#21)

Meanwhile, those who actually know what a socialist is, say he isn't and instead point to Palin as being one of them.

On the other hand, socialist (according to the GOP spin machine) California, the the third largest oil producing state, has no severance tax on oil and issues no wealth redistributing checks to its residents.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#33)

has no severance tax on oil and issues no wealth redistributing checks to its residents.

The people of Alaska get dividend checks from oil revenue because those resources are legally owned by the citizens of the State, not because of some socialist program.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-07-09   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes, badeye (#35)

no gnu taxes

Republicans in the state legislature have all signed a pledge, "no gnu taxes". It takes a 2/3 majority vote to pass a budget in California and that's why the budget is perpetually late, not balanced, and state workers are issued IOUs.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   14:14:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom, no gnu taxes, badeye (#37)

no gnu taxes

Republicans in the state legislature have all signed a pledge, "no gnu taxes". It takes a 2/3 majority vote to pass a budget in California and that's why the budget is perpetually late, not balanced, and state workers are issued IOUs.

State governments have basically three options - raise taxes, cut spending, or a combination of both. (In addition to these, the fedgov has four - the forth being to print money)

Question: In your world, is cutting spending EVER justified?

Or would you be in favor of just cutting out the middleman by having ALL wealth go to the state, and the state doling out a pittance to us?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-09   14:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ignore Amos (#42)

Question: In your world, is cutting spending EVER justified?

Where would you cut spending?

Or would you be in favor of just cutting out the middleman by having ALL wealth go to the state, and the state doling out a pittance to us?

Check out what prop 13 did for commercial property taxes

Goldberg calculates that Disneyland, which hasn't had a reportable change of ownership since, well, forever, is currently taxed at an average of about a nickel per square foot. For comparison, a median California home bought last year out of foreclosure, measuring 1,600 square feet and selling for about $330,000 (these are averages from the California Assn. of Realtors), would incur property tax of about $3,300 per year, or $2.06 per square foot.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/13/business/fi-hiltzik13

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   14:40:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#43) (Edited)

Where would you cut spending?

There are no easy answers, of course. I work for an organization (not a gov't entity) and, without getting too specific - it has been faced with some tough choices due to the crappy economy.

We found out - just recently - that every staff employee will be getting between a 5 and 8 percent pay cut.

Tough choices, indeed. But the way I look at it - it beats layoffs (which so far they have not had to do.)

So - cutting personnel costs is always an option - albeit not an easy one.

And aren't these people (legislators) elected to make tough choices.

Check out what prop 13 did for commercial property taxes
Not being a Californian, I only have a vague idea of what Prop. 13 is/was. What you posted certainly points out a problem. No law is ever perfect, however. Unintended consequences always occur.

Can it not be fixed?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-09   15:04:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ignore Amos (#49)

Can it not be fixed?

It has become the third rail in California politics. The low, low tax base can be passed from one generation to the next. Its one of those things that just about everyone recognizes needs to be changed but no one has the guts to try.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   15:16:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom (#53)

It has become the third rail in California politics

There are too many "third rails" - that is the problem.

I suppose the only solution is default or bankruptcy. Unfortunately, the fedgov will probably end up bailing out the states - which will just shift (not solve) the problem.

What do we do when the fedgov goes bankrupt?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-09   15:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ignore Amos (#55)

There are too many "third rails" - that is the problem.

This one is a Republican third rail

Prior to 1978, local governments in California (as elsewhere in the nation) could set their own property tax rates and spend the money that they raised on local needs.

But the Republicans did not trust local governments or local voters with the power to tax local property or to spend that revenue as they thought appropriate.

...

Prop 13 took away the cities' power to set property tax rates or levy property taxes, and gave all such power to the state -- where it would be subject to Prop 13’s strict limits and the 2/3 rule – in other words, subject to the statewide anti-tax minority’s veto, regardless of the wishes or needs of local officials or voters.

http://open.salon.com/blog/micha...ver_the_effect_of_prop_13

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   16:02:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lucysmom (#60)

This one is a Republican third rail

Why bring partisanship into it? Are you interested in solving problems, or just promoting a partisan agenda?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-07-09   16:06:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ignore Amos (#61)

or just promoting a partisan agenda?

Ya think? lmao

Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century...

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   16:12:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Badeye (#62)

Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century...

Again proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   16:24:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#64)

Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century... Again proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

I did the math, perhaps you can't?

Sheesh. You cited something from 32 years ago. Reread your own post, use a calculator.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-09   16:52:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Badeye (#68)

Sheesh. You cited something from 32 years ago.

Yes, and its been down hill since then.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-09   21:16:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lucysmom (#73)

Dumbass.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-10   7:41:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Badeye (#74)

Dumbass.

Really? Think about it.

Prop13 took local control of schools and property tax rates and gave it to the state. Removing schools from local control has given more power to the dreaded teacher's union.

The budget is always late getting passed due to the super majority requirement. (Politicians get to collect extra money from the state taxpayers while they hang around not passing a budget)

Small contractors have gone belly up, or have had to get loans (pay interest), or both waiting for a budget to pass so they can get paid for work/services already provided.

Prop13 has shifted the bulk of the property tax burden away from commercial property and those who have held onto their property either by occupying it themselves or passing on their property and tax base to their heirs, to first time buyers who pay through the nose.

Affordable housing close to work is nonexistent, which means people have absurdly long commutes which means higher fuel consumption, more air pollution, more roads to build and maintain, and less time for family.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-10   11:13:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#76. To: lucysmom (#75) (Edited)

At the time there seemed no simple solution as property taxes were doubling or even tripling about every two years due to skyrocketing property values mostly due to Japanese foreign investors (at least in my area).

County assessors were literally running amok in their ability to rake in the dough so to speak and none of the counties seemed intersted in changing their assessment rates or methods without a court fight. And they were making examples of owners unable to pay the taxes by seizing thousands of properties for tax liens.

I know when my mother went to the county to complain about their doubled property tax then the assessor literally said she could sell it and he knew of plenty of buyers that would buy it. Three teams of Japanese investors came by within days to inquire.

Everyone in my family would have eventually lost their properties under the old tax methods, as wages and prices weren't keeping up with the exploding property values. That would have definitely led to either most of the state being owned by foreign investors with most of the natives either renting or otherwise being displaced.

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-10 12:02:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lucysmom (#75)

Dumbass. Really? Think about it.

Reread what you said about my noting you were citing something from 32 years ago.

Badeye  posted on  2010-07-12 08:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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